Player Discussion Chris Tierney (C)

[swiftwin]

That shouldn't be difficult, but from what I've seen from the pre-season and the first 3 games he still has a bad shot, is often behind the play and extremely soft and weak on the puck.

If we could get something like a 3rd for him we should be thrilled, but I can't see many playoff teams interested in him for anything beyond a 4th line center role.

He's clearly a decent middle six player on a contender. He was in a top 6 role in San Jose, and a top 6 here too until last season. One bad season doesn't change that, especially when it's clear he had injury issues.

 

[Micklebot]

You're right it's really good value. But it can also derail the decent start to our season and send a really bad message to the team.

I figure you can use that first to find a suitable alternative, like Tierney for a first, then swap that first and a B Prospect or a 3rd for an upgrade on Tierney with a couple years left.

The real question is why wouldn't the team picking up Tierney just go after the guy we turn around and acquire and the only answer I have is maybe they need a UFA to be that they can walk away from.

So for example, flip Tierney for a first then acquire Ryan Strome for that first and a third, or that first for Henrique @ 50% retained. Or whatever your upgrade of choice is if neither fits the bill for you.

 

[Hale The Villain]

He's clearly a decent middle six player on a contender. He was in a top 6 role in San Jose, and a top 6 here too until last season. One bad season doesn't change that, especially when it's clear he had injury issues.

If White wasn't injured he's not even a middle 6 center on a bottom 10 team, as he's the 4th best center we have and we have one of the worst center groups in the NHL.

 

[Micklebot]

He was in a top 6 role in San Jose,

He was behind Pavelski, Joe Thornton and Couture in TOI, Don't recall if Hertl was playing wing or center, but he was behind him too. Pretty sure Tierney was playing bottom 6 not top.

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

My issue with him last year wasn’t about goals and points, but the fact that he looked extremely disinterested, lost every puck battle and hardly ever drove to the net. Playing through a back injury certainly explains that. Don’t see a long term fit for him here but hope he can keep up this play and either net us a nice return or maybe even help us get into playoffs.

 

[Silencio]

My issue with him last year wasn’t about goals and points, but the fact that he looked extremely disinterested, lost every puck battle and hardly ever drove to the net. Playing through a back injury certainly explains that. Don’t see a long term fit for him here but hope he can keep up this play and either net us a nice return or maybe even help us get into playoffs.

Yeah he definitely seems happier and more engaged this year, at least through the first 3 games.

 

[playasRus]

Probably a guy we keep if we're in the WC mix at the TDL. Unless someone is offering a 1st round pick or something, and even then, can't say we can afford to lose any NHL calibre centremen, even with White back.

 

[swiftwin]

He was behind Pavelski, Joe Thornton and Couture in TOI, Don't recall if Hertl was playing wing or center, but he was behind him too. Pretty sure Tierney was playing bottom 6 not top.

I see #6, and that's including the addition of Kane at the TDL:

 

[Micklebot]

I see #6, and that's including the addition of Kane at the TDL:
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He has four centers ahead of him. Which one was he playing ahead of?

The answer is he got time on both special teams and was in the bottom 6 at even strength. Thornton also missed half the season and Hertl played the wing a bit.

Couture. Thornton and Pavelski were the top 6 centers (Pavelski I think played on Thornton's wing when he was healthy, and center when he wasn't). Tierney was playing with Boedker, Meier (rookie), Lebanc (2nd year), and those guys occasionally worked their way up to playing with Pav or Couture, leaving Tierney in the bottom 6.

 

[OD99]

If he can get back to being a 45ish point player as our 3C that gets a bit of PP and PK then I would have no issued keeping him for another couple of years.

The problem is I think he will expect 4+ years and if he can get it then good for him. Outside of last year he has been pretty good for us. Not being flashy or physical gets him a bad rap but he is a legit NHL player who IMO is underrated around here.

 

[aragorn]

I figure you can use that first to find a suitable alternative, like Tierney for a first, then swap that first and a B Prospect or a 3rd for an upgrade on Tierney with a couple years left.

The real question is why wouldn't the team picking up Tierney just go after the guy we turn around and acquire and the only answer I have is maybe they need a UFA to be that they can walk away from.

So for example, flip Tierney for a first then acquire Ryan Strome for that first and a third, or that first for Henrique @ 50% retained. Or whatever your upgrade of choice is if neither fits the bill for you.

If they get a late first for Tierny I would rather see them use that 1st in the 2022 draft & let their scouts pick the guy they should target, they have been pretty successful in the draft. There are a few centres they could target, I like Nathan Gauthier who could go anywhere from 12th to 25th & they have two 2nd rd picks & three 3rd rd picks they could use to move up to get who they want with their first rd picks. A very good RD & C in the first rd would be another excellent haul in this upcoming draft & fill two potential future needs & there could be a few guys ranked where they pick. I also think that Geig will eventually fill a need at centre.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Scoring 3 of the ugliest goals I've ever seen (one off of skate, one off of shaft of stick, one flutter puck) is making people think he's back to being a good player, when it's more likely he's just been lucky.

A goal is a goal.

 

[DueDiligence]

A goal is a goal.

Yes but I doubt he is going to score 3 more goals like that the rest of this season. He's been extremely lucky.

 

[Hale The Villain]

A goal is a goal.

On the scoresheet? Sure.

If 3 goals in 3 games is to be used as a predictive tool to project future goal totals, it certainly matters how those goals were scored.

 

[H2O]

Let’s not forget Tierney had 3 goals in the first 4 games last season. Hopefully the difference this season is he is healthier and can keep playing with the tempo he’s shown so far.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Yes but I doubt he is going to score 3 more goals like that the rest of this season. He's been extremely lucky.

At least he’s producing. That’s all I care about at this point.

 

[Sweatred]

Tierney is playing well … he’s an effective 3C for this org.

I’d still like to see him traded if we can get a 1-2RD pick. Willing to take a 2023 1RD pick.

 

[trentmccleary]

He has four centers ahead of him. Which one was he playing ahead of?

The answer is he got time on both special teams and was in the bottom 6 at even strength. Thornton also missed half the season and Hertl played the wing a bit.

Couture. Thornton and Pavelski were the top 6 centers (Pavelski I think played on Thornton's wing when he was healthy, and center when he wasn't). Tierney was playing with Boedker, Meier (rookie), Lebanc (2nd year), and those guys occasionally worked their way up to playing with Pav or Couture, leaving Tierney in the bottom 6.

Couture was playing wing.
FO/GP
Hertl - 14.6
Tierney - 11.7
Pavelski - 11.1
Thornton - 9.4
Goodrow - 5.6
Couture - 4.2

Tierney was #1 on the PK and an afterthought on the PP. Based on his ice time, usage and face-offs; he was relied upon by SJ as their 3rd line center and played in defensive situations.

Why do we argue over 'top-6' or 'bottom-6' when 'middle-6' best describes a player?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Tierney had an awful season last year but he's fine, he will be in the league for another 4-5yrs at least.... its not gonna be with us, though.

I would be open to moving him but obviously we will need a replacement, and I don't see that coming internally.

 

[Micklebot]

Couture was playing wing.
FO/GP
Hertl - 14.6
Tierney - 11.7
Pavelski - 11.1
Thornton - 9.4
Goodrow - 5.6
Couture - 4.2

Tierney was #1 on the PK and an afterthought on the PP. Based on his ice time, usage and face-offs; he was relied upon by SJ as their 3rd line center and played in defensive situations.

Why do we argue over 'top-6' or 'bottom-6' when 'middle-6' best describes a player?

My bad, it was Couture on wing not Hertl. I agree he was their 3rd line center most of the year. Point is he was not in their top 6, call him middle six if you like, though based on the linemates data it was the wingers who moved up not centers moving around. 3rd liner best suits what he was and probably what he should be

 

[DJB]

Trade him now while he's at peak value. I want him to go away

 

[Dan Patrick]

Tierney is playing well … he’s an effective 3C for this org.

I’d still like to see him traded if we can get a 1-2RD pick. Willing to take a 2023 1RD pick.

Would love to trade him to a team like Boston, Pittburgh or Washington for a 2023 1st round pick. Target teams that could see regression in the next year if at all possible.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Would love to trade him to a team like Boston, Pittburgh or Washington for a 2023 1st round pick. Target teams that could see regression in the next year if at all possible.

Cant believe in a million years that Tierney would bring back a 1st round pick.

 

[Dan Patrick]

Cant believe in a million years that Tierney would bring back a 1st round pick.

Agreed but that statement remains true if you switch out the 1st for any pick in the first three rounds of next year. Just look at how that Columbus 2nd this past year became a way more valuable asset as they plummeted down the standings.

2023 could still produce players who could contribute to the Sens cup contention window so im still more than okay having extra picks in the top three rounds.

 

[H2O]

He’s worth a 3rd rounder at best imo. We only have 3 NHL centers right now and he’s one of them. He’s not going anywhere unless we are completely out of playoff contention by the trade deadline.