Value of: Chris Kreider

[SML2]

Boston.

What's the return look like?

 

[FiveTacos]

Reminder Trouba and Fowler had positive value

Cap going up will open up options for a lot of guys. They only really negative value situations are ones where a guy clearly can't play in the NHL at all (like Campbell), and/or there's too much term attached.

And his AAV really isn't that outrageous ... the cap increase alone will cover his salary beyond this year, you can always either accrue enough for this year or send back an expiring contract, and you're highly unlikely to find a better UFA at his price point ... Any comparable scorer is probably going to cost much more, with longer term into their twilight years.

 

[Vitto79]

What's the return look like?

I’d think Frederic and a 1st / lottery protected which would be funny cause last time he was available I think that was a rumour

 

[SML2]

I’d think Frederic and a 1st / lottery protected which would be funny cause last time he was available I think that was a rumour

Freddy is a UFA. What about Beecher?

 

[5cotland]

Cap going up will open up options for a lot of guys. They only really negative value situations are ones where a guy clearly can't play in the NHL at all (like Campbell), and/or there's too much term attached.

And his AAV really isn't that outrageous ... the cap increase alone will cover his salary beyond this year, you can always either accrue enough for this year or send back an expiring contract, and you're highly unlikely to find a better UFA at his price point ... Any comparable scorer is probably going to cost much more, with longer term into their twilight years.

HEY!! We will have none of that logical thinking here, this forum is for trade proposals made by the people who appear to be residents of Arkham Asylum.

I’d think Frederic and a 1st / lottery protected which would be funny cause last time he was available I think that was a rumour

That would never have got you Kreider when he was a rental. B's paid more for a broken Rick Nash

 

[wintersej]

HEY!! We will have none of that logical thinking here, this forum is for trade proposals made by the people who appear to be residents of Arkham Asylum.


That would never have got you Kreider when he was a rental. B's paid more for a broken Rick Nash

I would argue that Kreider is also broken.

 

[FiveTacos]

I would argue that Kreider is also broken.

Maybe. But I would argue that it's a small sample size this year so a little quick to make that judgement, and he's still scoring goals at a pretty good pace. It's not remotely a stretch to think that in a better environment where he's not depended on quite as much as he is on the Rangers he'd be really valuable ... totally see him as a guy who could come up big in the playoffs for someone. I'd be all over it if I were a Cup contender, and a late 1st would be well worth it, IMO. Teams often give that up at the deadline for less.

A midrange playoff team that's solid but maybe just needs a little scoring boost to move up a tier might also want to roll the dice on him. Not a ton of other options out there.

I'd also think that because of his relatively moderate term, cap floor teams looking for a short to medium term scoring boost would be very very interested, but his NMC would factor in there.

There's a reason the memo about his availability was sent out to everyone, and not just a few phone calls to playoff teams. He makes sense for a whole range of teams.

 

[UnSandvich]

Rangers also have 3 retention slots open right now. Personally I'd be shopping him around at 50% off and taking the best offer. This year's Kreider at 6.5 isn't super great value, but 3.25 is. And if he rebounds, it's even better.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Would love him on LA.

Kings could use some size, net front jam, and PP scoring bigtime. They definitely need some creative playmaking too and preferably a righty shot but if they're going to play this relatively vanilla hard nosed two way game Kreider is probably the best available fit and his playstyle is unlikely to get benched under this staff that's allergic to creativity/risk-taking.

Really not sure what we could offer though but I'm almost certain he's on Blake's radar.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

You’re not wrong but you have to admit OPs list of “Available” is insultingly bad.

A 2nd round pick would be a fantastic deal for the Rangers.


Kreider is 33, turning 34 in April. On pace for a whopping 30 points and makes $6.25M for another 2(?) years... He's pretty close to negative value quite frankly, unless the Rangers take back a small cap dump in a hypothetical deal or retain on him(Feels less likely to me but maybe not).

 

[lakeshirts37]

Not hating being realistic. He's fallen off a cliff this year, on pace for 32 points. 6.5M cap hit until 2027. Woof

The entire team has fallen off a cliff and he has a back injury. He’s still an elite net front guy and I guarantee a change of scenery with a little improvement in his health and he’s right back where he was. He’s a physical specimen and the furthest thing from washed. just stop. Also only two years left on his contract thats not “awful”….Mika on the other hand…..

 

[DFC]

If NYR moves an asset like this, I don't think it's gonna be about a set price. It will be the most they can get. And that depends on how much of a market there is.

I can't imagine a contender that wouldn't kick tires here. So the price could get high. To me he looks like the proverbial "missing piece" for TB.

 

[jaywills1020]

I would argue that Kreider is also broken.

Not physically like Nash was. The guys a freak of nature physically.

 

[wintersej]

Maybe. But I would argue that it's a small sample size this year so a little quick to make that judgement, and he's still scoring goals at a pretty good pace. It's not remotely a stretch to think that in a better environment where he's not depended on quite as much as he is on the Rangers he'd be really valuable ... totally see him as a guy who could come up big in the playoffs for someone. I'd be all over it if I were a Cup contender, and a late 1st would be well worth it, IMO. Teams often give that up at the deadline for less.

A midrange playoff team that's solid but maybe just needs a little scoring boost to move up a tier might also want to roll the dice on him. Not a ton of other options out there.

I'd also think that because of his relatively moderate term, cap floor teams looking for a short to medium term scoring boost would be very very interested, but his NMC would factor in there.

There's a reason the memo about his availability was sent out to everyone, and not just a few phone calls to playoff teams. He makes sense for a whole range of teams.

I'm more concerned about age + back. I totally expect him to get a bump moving teams like you say. Just like Nash did. Bruins were looking to sign Nash to a multi-year deal. And then Nash got the one last concussion. Back problems are just as weird and scary. Maybe more so.

 

[Hookslide]

I’d think Frederic and a 1st / lottery protected which would be funny cause last time he was available I think that was a rumour

Zero chance the Rangers get a first from the Bruins.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

My Bruins stink at least as much if not more and have much less talent. Stilll think the Rangers can make the playoffs.

Even if they sneak in late, it means nothing; this is a lottery team disguised as a 1st round exit team.

I would want to wait to see what Drury does with the Kakko/Trouba cap space to definitively say they're not making the playoffs, but it's crystal clear they should not be adding to this group.

 

[SML2]

Even if they sneak in late, it means nothing; this is a lottery team disguised as a 1st round exit team.

I would want to wait to see what Drury does with the Kakko/Trouba cap space to definitively say they're not making the playoffs, but it's crystal clear they should not be adding to this group.

This team has done zero to make management have faith in them. They have folded up more times than an oragami swan in the face of adversity this year. You can't mortgage the future if the present isn't working out. That's how you doom your team to long-term failure.

 

[Skolman]

It's mind boggling that people actually believe Kreider is going to return a 1st

 

[Kupo]

A 2nd round pick would be a fantastic deal for the Rangers.


Kreider is 33, turning 34 in April. On pace for a whopping 30 points and makes $6.25M for another 2(?) years... He's pretty close to negative value quite frankly, unless the Rangers take back a small cap dump in a hypothetical deal or retain on him(Feels less likely to me but maybe not).

He started the year with 8G in 13 games. 127 goals the last 3 seasons. If you believe he’s close to being negative asset @ 6.5, then it’s safe to say you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. It’s one of the cringiest things I’ve read on these boards in awhile.

 

[Adam da bomb]

He started the year with 8G in 13 games. 127 goals the last 3 seasons. If you believe he’s close to being negative asset @ 6.5, then it’s safe to say you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. It’s one of the cringiest things I’ve read on these boards in awhile.

NHL fan boards are all about what have u done lately. That said, I wonder what his injury is that has affected his play and if there is any concerns about it long term.

 

[Djp]

I've said it before...players at some point after 30 fall off as cliff. You just font know when until you know

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

This team has done zero to make management have faith in them. They have folded up more times than an oragami swan in the face of adversity this year. You can't mortgage the future if the present isn't working out. That's how you doom your team to long-term failure.

I completely agree; the only thing I fear is that most NHL GMs don't operate this way. Their worried about their own prospects, meaning if they have to mortgage a future that likely doesn't include them anyway to rectify the present situation, most of them will.

Drury doesn't really strike me as a "full rebuild" type of guy. I think he wants to prove he can win in NY after his little stint here as a player went not so good

 

[seafoam]

Kreider for Engvall + 3rd

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

He started the year with 8G in 13 games. 127 goals the last 3 seasons. If you believe he’s close to being negative asset @ 6.5, then it’s safe to say you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. It’s one of the cringiest things I’ve read on these boards in awhile.

Absolutely delusional. 33 years old signed for 2.5 more years.