Proposal: Chris Kreider to the Avs with Josh Manson as the base

[Mersss]

Is it?

How good is Manson? How good is Wood?

Be honest.

I understand that Krieder is having a down year. Big time down. Krieder is struggling and now he's a healthy scratch.

But ask yourself the same question about Manson. And Wood.

Avs would need to add significantly to the deal. manson for kreider makes sense. Wood and his contract wpuld cost the Avs significant assets to get rid of. He's barelly an NHL player and signed for another 4 ywars

 

[John Mandalorian]

Avs would need to add significantly to the deal. manson for kreider makes sense. Wood and his contract wpuld cost the Avs significant assets to get rid of. He's barelly an NHL player and signed for another 4 ywars

He’s better than you give him credit for. As long as he can stay healthy and skate and forecheck, he will be a useful player. And with the cap going up, the 2.5 AAV won’t be so terrible. You make it sound like he’s Josh Anderson...similar skill set but makes a lot more.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The last thing the Avs need is a 33 year old 3rd line winger who's making 6.5 m for 2 more years, when Mikko needs an extension this summer.

Both players are 33.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Both players are 33.

I think they’re saying we don’t need an older forward on a large contract when Rantanen is due and will be hard enough to extend.
We do need the older defender who fills his role efficiently however.

 

[Linds]

Rangers have 0 interest in taking more wood.

I mean they are sure biting the pillow right now

 

[bernmeister]

this thread is first and foremost about CK + JM as principals deal

Rs decline, do not want to add age
As decline, can't afford to give up JM now

let's do a new thread
Rs surplus D to Avs for pix
expiring Lindgren retained half to 2.5 + Vaak + Borgen + Scanlin + Robertson
for
return NYR 2025 2nd + Avs 2028 1st + something else we can agree on

gives immediate boost to colo's backline
gives Rs a pick upcoming and a deferred one

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Can I drop in our bid of Manson for Tarasenko straight up?

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

this thread is first and foremost about CK + JM as principals deal

Rs decline, do not want to add age
As decline, can't afford to give up JM now

let's do a new thread
Rs surplus D to Avs for pix
expiring Lindgren retained half to 2.5 + Vaak + Borgen + Scanlin + Robertson
for
return NYR 2025 2nd + Avs 2028 1st + something else we can agree on

gives immediate boost to colo's backline
gives Rs a pick upcoming and a deferred one

This tracks. Teams trade for 5 defensemen at once all the time.

 

[Richard88]

NHL teams always need to rob Peter to pay Paul in a hard salary cap league that strives for parity.

This trade makes the Avs harder to play against up front and better at scoring. Also some insurance if/when Nuke goes AWOL again.

The Avs need the net front presence when their talents like MacKinnon, Makar, Toews, Mitts and Rantanen play more of a perimeter game. When they don't have one of Nuke or Landy on the team... they suck.. no chance to win playoff series without one of those two scoring goals within 15 feet of the net.

Krieder is also a strong and swift skater. That type of speed would be simpatico on a fast team like the Avs.

What about the net front presence in their own zone?

Without Manson the Avs blueline would be looking like this:

Toews - Makar
Girard - Malinski
DeHaan - Kylington

Needless to say they'd have to find a direct replacement for Manson, which would almost certainly cost a 1st+ since they'd have spent their only 2nd in the trade you proposed.

 

[McJedi]

He’s better than you give him credit for. As long as he can stay healthy and skate and forecheck, he will be a useful player. And with the cap going up, the 2.5 AAV won’t be so terrible. You make it sound like he’s Josh Anderson...similar skill set but makes a lot more.

Agree. Wood kills penalties, he hits, he skates wonderfully for a man his size, he plays with power which makes him a forechecking presence. The injuries are his issue, but for $2.5MM.. you can do a lot worse for a bottom six forward that can play PK.

 

[McJedi]

The guy I think the Avs should target is Oleksiak.

A giant L shot defenseman that does PK? Sure... why not. But he's averaging almost 20 minutes a game for Seattle.

I'm not sure they'd be a seller. They just traded a D for Kakko (a forward) as well. So they are down a body at the position.

You might be fishing in waters where there isn't a fish.

 

[bernmeister]

This tracks. Teams trade for 5 defensemen at once all the time.

whether or not it is a single deal or broken up into separate ones, it adds up.

Take your disingenuous derision and put it ... you know where.

 

[Richard88]

The Avs don't need another top 6 forward, that would be a luxury add. Colton has shown that he's better on the wing so what they ideally need to add is a 3C to allow Colton to stay on the wing (either on the 2nd or 3rd line).

When healthy the 3rd line of Wood-Colton-O'Connor has also been excellent, though injuries are inevitable so at least one 3rd line calibre forward (or ideally center) would be essential.

The other biggest need is a 4/5 Dman who can take heavy PK minutes and dovetail with the more offensively-tilted Malinski on the 3rd pairing at 5v5.

Drouin - Mackinnon - Rantanen
Lehkonen - Mittelstadt - Nichushkin
Colton - 3C - O'Connor
Wood - Kelly - Kiviranta

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
3LD - Malinski
DeHaan

Blackwood
Wedgewood

+ Landeskog if he returns for the playoffs

 

[VikingAv]

this thread is first and foremost about CK + JM as principals deal

Rs decline, do not want to add age
As decline, can't afford to give up JM now

let's do a new thread
Rs surplus D to Avs for pix
expiring Lindgren retained half to 2.5 + Vaak + Borgen + Scanlin + Robertson
for
return NYR 2025 2nd + Avs 2028 1st + something else we can agree on

gives immediate boost to colo's backline
gives Rs a pick upcoming and a deferred one

whether or not it is a single deal or broken up into separate ones, it adds up.

Take your disingenuous derision and put it ... you know where.

"It adds up". For the Rags you mean? Because you have zero regard for the other teams need in such a ludicrous proposal. Just like you had zero regard for Buffalo's needs when you thought it was "theoretically possible that maybe something around KAM+ could work".
What could actually be possible if the Rags fall completely out of the playoffs by the deadline is something around Lindgren @50% for the Rags own 2nd-rounder back, but considering your trade proposal history I suppose that would be a far too easy and not complex enough deal to pull off?....

 

[McJedi]

this thread is first and foremost about CK + JM as principals deal

Rs decline, do not want to add age
As decline, can't afford to give up JM now

let's do a new thread
Rs surplus D to Avs for pix
expiring Lindgren retained half to 2.5 + Vaak + Borgen + Scanlin + Robertson
for
return NYR 2025 2nd + Avs 2028 1st + something else we can agree on

gives immediate boost to colo's backline
gives Rs a pick upcoming and a deferred one

Lindgren kinda sucks. I doubt the Avs or many teams would be after him as a rental.

 

[bernmeister]

"It adds up". For the Rags you mean? Because you have zero regard for the other teams need in such a ludicrous proposal. Just like you had zero regard for Buffalo's needs when you thought it was "theoretically possible that maybe something around KAM+ could work".
What could actually be possible if the Rags fall completely out of the playoffs by the deadline is something around Lindgren @50% for the Rags own 2nd-rounder back, but considering your trade proposal history I suppose that would be a far too easy and not complex enough deal to pull off?....

you deserve comeuppance for that disingenuous shade

I said VERBATIM:
"let's do a new thread
Rs surplus D to Avs for pix
expiring Lindgren retained half to 2.5 + Vaak + Borgen + Scanlin + Robertson
for
return NYR 2025 2nd + Avs 2028 1st + something else we can agree on"

so Vaak = 2nd, Bogen 2nd + Lindgen at half a 3rd +, some useful body throw ins, and the Avs 1st is WAY deferred

meanwhile Avs desperate to add D

and you got the stones to say I was one sided here?
You completely ignored everything after Lindgren!!

you can apologize when you're ready
I am busy til w'e

peace out

 

[bernmeister]

Lindgren kinda sucks. I doubt the Avs or many teams would be after him as a rental.

1. top $ no, but retained = maybe
2. He is turning the corner on damage from excessive wear and tear. Howev, you are not interested in him long term, just this yr and MAYBE next
If he is used as bottom pair/7th those mins, you can get thru season, prob
He is obv not an option for a long nhl career, but that's not applicable here

 

[VikingAv]

Again, ZERO need to add 5, three of them in the bigs. None what so ever.
As others have said in this thread, but you of course have completely ignored, Avs biggest need on D is a 3LD. ONE 3LD.
PS. If you think Vaak is worth a 2nd, you'll be very disappointed

 

[EXTRAS]

12 points in 30 games despite a ton of pp1 time. How many assets is he worth if you gotta pay him like 17m over the next 2.5 years at 33-36 yo. I think Manson + Wood + 2nd could get a player who isn't potentially cooked on a better contract, tbh.

 

[n8]

Lindgren kinda sucks. I doubt the Avs or many teams would be after him as a rental.

He sucks being forced into a 1LD position. If you put him in isolated 3LD minutes, I think you have a playoff warrior who will hit, block, and make it tough for the opposition each night. His cons is he's that type of dman who will probably get injured at some point in the playoffs due to his style. If he's playing injured, his game will deteriorate. If he stays healthy, he could be a great depth add for a playoff run.

 

[TBF1972]

Chris Kreider has 2.5 more years on his contract with an AAV of $6.5MM. He turns 34 in late April 2025. He's a 6'3 230 lbs LW. He is now a healthy scratch and that will be a hard one to smooth over for a former 50 goal scorer.

Josh Manson has 1.5 more years on his contract with an AAV of $4.5MM. He turns 34 in October 2025. He's a 6'3 220 lbs RHD. He's likely to be back with the Avs next game.

Miles Wood has 4.5 years on his contract with an AAV of $2.5MM. He turns 30 in Sept 2025. He's a 6'2. 215 lbs LW. He'll likely be back in early January.

Chris Kreider + Urho Vaakanainen for Josh Manson + Miles Wood + Rangers 2025 2nd round pick. Does anyone add and if so.. add what to make the deal pencil?

For the Avs purposes, this deal also signifies Gabriel Landeskog's NHL career is effectively over.

seriously?

and the devils would have to pay nemec?

 

[McJedi]

seriously?

and the devils would have to pay nemec?

I don't understand your post. Nothing about Nemec in this thread. I don't see him having negative value at all.

The thing about Nemec that's hard to wrap my head around is just how badly he has regressed in his D+3 season. It is unusual to see such significant regression after a promising start to his post draft NHL career. But I don't believe development is linear and if he gets his ish together... I'll be happy for him and the Devils. I don't rule out he's got a much better player in him than he's shown this season in the NHL and continued to disappoint in the AHL.

 

[bernmeister]

Again, ZERO need to add 5, three of them in the bigs. None what so ever.
As others have said in this thread, but you of course have completely ignored, Avs biggest need on D is a 3LD. ONE 3LD.
PS. If you think Vaak is worth a 2nd, you'll be very disappointed

Vaak is a 3LD

 

[VikingAv]

Vaak is a 3LD

Not a good one. On a bad team.

 

[bernmeister]

Not a good one. On a bad team.

@Leonardo87 is a combo Rs-Ducks fan
If I recall correctly he said Vaak was unspectacular but reliable
not seeing anything yet to dispute that
not seeing pos as a fair characterization, not at this pt anyway

that said, fine
let's hear what your fellow Av fans think