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Player Discussion Chris Kreider Part II: Manimal

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Brooklyn Ranger said:
Come on chosen--who's been living up to the level they are capable of? Even Zucc has had stretches of poor play, Brassard doesn't show up every night, Nash doesn't seem to be able to stand out anymore and Stepan has been hurt for a bunch of the season too. That's the core of forwards you expect to produce in one way or another every game. It's not just on Kreider--he's still learning and can't be expected to carry a team that is misfiring in so many ways.
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This isn't about not living up to expectations. This is about being invisible. Even when Nash isn't scoring, he is their best defensive forward. I know that's not enough, but it shows he has some value. The comparison to Zucc this year is ridiculous.

It's not that Kreider isn't scoring. It's that a player with his skating abilities and the physicality he possesses can be hard to even find on many shifts.

At least Tortorella had the balls to sit him. AV refuses to sit him.

If Kreider starts to play well, his supporters will say I told you so and his detractors will say, where has he been. If we didn't think he could be playing better, we wouldn't even bother commenting on him.
 
Ail said:
Brutal, that's a Tanner Glass level nickname.

I don't know what great expectations other have for Kreider, but in my mind the only thing I need Kreider to do is be a force out there on a game to game basis. Use the speed, use the strength. Make an impact on the game. I don't need him to score 30 goals, that would be great, but it's not expected. When he's on, the kid looks like a wrecking ball on skates and it's awesome to watch. Even if he isn't scoring he's making life hell on the other team. That's what needs to happen. How many times have we seen that this season? One?
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Well said. I'm hoping he spends a few games in Glass's spot for this reason. Get back to what he's good at. Get his feet moving through the neutral zone and make it his role to move the puck up ice and wreak havoc in the corners and in the crease. If he can get back to that, staple him next to Nash and Stepan and we'll all be singing a different tune come playoff time
 
Ail said:
Brutal, that's a Tanner Glass level nickname.

I don't know what great expectations other have for Kreider, but in my mind the only thing I need Kreider to do is be a force out there on a game to game basis. Use the speed, use the strength. Make an impact on the game. I don't need him to score 30 goals, that would be great, but it's not expected. When he's on, the kid looks like a wrecking ball on skates and it's awesome to watch. Even if he isn't scoring he's making life hell on the other team. That's what needs to happen. How many times have we seen that this season? One?
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Thats how I feel. I've always felt that all of the talk of Kreider becoming a top power forward in the NHL was garbage. Not that he doesnt have the skill set or capability to do that - I just never thought he would be able to sustain it.

I could live with Kreider being less than a top 3 or even top 6 type of player if he would simply play the game right. You look at a guy like Miller who going out there trying to be noticed and make an impact on the game, every night. He's still building but he gets it now. Kreider just floats around and out thinks himself every shift. Theres no emotion. Theres no drive in his game. Either he's trying not to make mistake or is looking for style points or maybe he just doesnt have the hockey sense.

Like you said, he doesnt have to score 30 goals but goddamn it use your speed and your body to drive through the other team (in all zones) and that alone will disrupt things enough to make a positive impact for his line. He's going through the motions.
 
Mac n Gs said:
He needs to look at JT Miller and what he's been doing these last 8-10 games. He's getting engaged physically and making it hard for other teams to play against him. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Kreider to use his natural physical abilities and play to his strengths. I could live with him going through a scoring drought as long as I see him engaged and moving his feet out there. He's not doing that.
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Yup, that's been the difference between Miller and Kreider since day 1, and why Torts preferred Miller over Kreider in 2013 - Miller has generally been more engaged and involved while Kreider goes through long bouts of being unnoticeable.

It's troubling that the same problem exists 3 years later. At this point I'm starting to doubt whether Kreider will ever the be the type of player that can impose his speed and strength upon the opponent consistently. He may not have the aptitude to be a high motor player.
 
Irishguy42 said:
Team doctors said just another day or two, to be sure.
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Actually, that changed today...Kreider said after practice that the wound on his hand hasn't started to heal yet and that it opened up at the start of practice today, requiring a heavier bandage. The result is:

The Rangers’ medical staff has advised both Kreider and Vigneault that Kreider needs at least one more game off to allow the wound site to heal.
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Even if Kreider sits after his hand has healed enough to play it won't be for long--sitting in the stands is not going to help his confidence or jump-start his season. He needs to get back on the ice and keep it simple. He also needs a centerman who is not banged up or wandering around the ice aimlessly thinking he's doing his best. Stepan may not be flashy, but when he's playing well a lot of other pieces fall into place too. He's a big reason for this organization's success.

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/etem_to_hartford_ahl_for_conditioning/
 
If Kreider can do what he did today with any kind of regularity, I have no problems with him on this team. I watched the replay several times because it was so enjoyable seeing him streak in like that. He is so ****ing fast, how can he not do that more often? Surely the opportunities are there.

Was it Steve V that said he could threaten for 30 Goals this year? Someone said it in the post-game. I just lol'd.
 
Revel said:
If Kreider can do what he did today with any kind of regularity, I have no problems with him on this team. I watched the replay several times because it was so enjoyable seeing him streak in like that. He is so ****ing fast, how can he not do that more often? Surely the opportunities are there.

Was it Steve V that said he could threaten for 30 Goals this year? Someone said it in the post-game. I just lol'd.
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This is said bi-weekly.
 
Krwider played like **** in 1st, gets a goal = all america hero again.
Now wait .5 games with nothing and a dumb penalty = he sucks and must be traded
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
Thats how I feel. I've always felt that all of the talk of Kreider becoming a top power forward in the NHL was garbage. Not that he doesnt have the skill set or capability to do that - I just never thought he would be able to sustain it.

I could live with Kreider being less than a top 3 or even top 6 type of player if he would simply play the game right. You look at a guy like Miller who going out there trying to be noticed and make an impact on the game, every night. He's still building but he gets it now. Kreider just floats around and out thinks himself every shift. Theres no emotion. Theres no drive in his game. Either he's trying not to make mistake or is looking for style points or maybe he just doesnt have the hockey sense.

Like you said, he doesnt have to score 30 goals but goddamn it use your speed and your body to drive through the other team (in all zones) and that alone will disrupt things enough to make a positive impact for his line. He's going through the motions.
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I would prefer he scores 30 goals. He can do it. We see what a force he is when fearlessly drives to the net. Since that price injury during the playoffs Krieder hasn't been the same player. I feel he allowed all the negative comments about that play get in his head and it's affected his play much to the pleasure of our opponents.
 
Hellion said:
Krwider played like **** in 1st, gets a goal = all america hero again.
Now wait .5 games with nothing and a dumb penalty = he sucks and must be traded
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Nope, I still think he sucks. I'll reevaluate when he strings together 10+ strong games. If Miller can do it then Kreider should be able to do the same.
 
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Rangers in 7 said:
He finally showed up tonight. Was the only player who played well.
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I hope it continues. It seems that, as much as I admire Mr. Kreider and his abilities, I hear he has an attitude problem (per a friend of mine whose colleagues know several Rangers very well). It is curious, however, that he rarely smiles while celebrating with teammates. Maybe he's just stoic. Either way, though, it is curious.
 
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