Rumor: Chris Johnston: Some believe Toronto is the front runner for Ben Chiarot.

[SlyIslands]

Advanced stats are good for puckmovers that will have high puck possession stats. Chiarot will be traded with 50% retained. A defensemen that can play 20 minutes at 1,75M$ is interesting to any team for the playoffs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

For me, if we get him (Leafs), I wouldn’t want to pay a 1st….not because “I want a great player cheap”, but because I don’t think he’s worth a 1st.

if Dubas is trading the 1st for D…then go big game hunting, not Chiarot….

I'm pretty sure a lot of GM's are going big game hunting as 1st priority. Of course teams would like to add Lindholm but only one team gets him (if he is traded). This is just another deadline where you pay more than you would like if you want to add targets for the playoffs.

If the shoe was on the other foot, I would be hesitant to pay the 1st for Chiarot as well (my price was always two 2nd's). But I would say no thank you, I rather keep my 1st. But there is a clear trend of posters who are spending a lot of energy trying to devalue what he brings.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Advanced stats are good for puckmovers that will have high puck possession stats. Chiarot will be traded with 50% retained. A defensemen that can play 20 minutes at 1,75M$ is interesting to any team for the playoffs.

23-25 min a game is what he has proven to play. Even this year without Weber. The interest in Chiarot is not something that has come out of nowhere. He's played very hard and has earned his way and GM's have taken notice.

What will the return be? We will see and there will be a lot of "I told you so". Set that aside and Chiarot is going to help a team who gets him.

 

[Just a Fan]

I'm pretty sure a lot of GM's are going big game hunting as 1st priority. Of course teams would like to add Lindholm but only one team gets him (if he is traded). This is just another deadline where you pay more than you would like if you want to add targets for the playoffs.

If the shoe was on the other foot, I would be hesitant to pay the 1st for Chiarot as well (my price was always two 2nd's). But I would say no thank you, I rather keep my 1st. But there is a clear trend of posters who are spending a lot of energy trying to devalue what he brings.

If it was a 2nd+(nothing huge)…I would probably do that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If it was a 2nd+(nothing huge)…I would probably do that.

I've been consistent. My price was two 2nd's well before the Media brought forward the possible 1st. And then the possible 1st has been increased to a 1st and prospects over the last few weeks. A lot of conversations going on and hard to know the truth

For all we know, it ends up being prospects and a NHL player. Totally messes up the "I told you so" crowd hiding in the shadows.

 

[Habs Halifax]

At his age, and with 3 more years left? I would still pass.

My opinion is this, if the Leafs are dealing a 1st(+) for a D upgrade…aim for Chychrun….23 years old and 3 more years at a very good cap hit.

Obviously, Chychrun would be ideal but that's going to cost a lot more than just a 1st. Not sure the Leafs can outbid other teams and the Coyotes appear to be looking for a gold mine. Basically dangling a value contract and hoping for a hit. Be honest, if the Habs had Chychrun and we were asking for a gold mine like the Coyotes, I just wonder what the reaction and comments would be? My hunch tells me his game is targeted and the "he's only signed for 3 more years, then UFA" is a focus by many.

As far as Petry. The age and AAV is not ideal but he is lean for his body size and his skating is still top notch. His struggles this year is not about decline IMO but feel free to dissagree. There was something off between Ducharme and Petry and his game has come back with MSL.

The question I have with the Leafs if cap space for next year? 14 players signed with $8.7M in cap space and Campbell has to be signed right? Going to have to move out Mrazek and Kerfoot? Not sure you can afford to bring in anybody with a $4M+ AAV hit at this stage. That's basically the cost to extending Rielly

 

[RC51]

For me, if we get him (Leafs), I wouldn’t want to pay a 1st….not because “I want a great player cheap”, but because I don’t think he’s worth a 1st.

if Dubas is trading the 1st for D…then go big game hunting, not Chiarot….

you dont think he is worth a 1st but some GMS might. Your second point is if you have to give up a 1st you want a top dman, so the problem with this is a top dman cost a ton of MONEY + the seller knows he is a top dman so your 1st rounder better be a top 3 pick not a 20-25 pick plus your TOP PROSPECT and that will HURT YOU BAD, you wont like that part AT ALL. So its all about the best you can afford, RIGHT? all while NOT being outbid, RIGHT?

 

[The90]

The problem is the attitude and knee jerk reaction. The post he replied to was about numbers about Muzzin and he thought it was about Chiarot where I cherry picked stats. Comical.

But go ahead, defend your fellow Leafs fan (or Non Habs fan) and ignore reports from the media and think that the GM's interested in Chiarot are idiots.

It’s not anything to do with who he plays for at all. He literally showed you stats from Winnipeg as well to show his impact isn’t good. For the record I could care less which team the leafs trade with so long as they improve the team. I just don’t think Chiarot is an improvement on almost any leaf defensemen at the moment, even if he gives some fans the warm fuzzies over how much he cross checks.

The reports all said that the ASK is a first rounder. Nobody said he 100% is getting a first rounder. If someone pony’s up a first rounder he’s gone in an instant. Nobody has been desperate enough to do that though so he remains in Montreal.

 

[The90]

Yes all these points at the end to make sure you can't reply, he obviously doesn't want an answer

Well I mean all the numbers above those points pretty near demolish any response anyways lol

 

[Habs Halifax]

you dont think he is worth a 1st but some GMS might. Your second point is if you have to give up a 1st you want a top dman, so the problem with this is a top dman cost a ton of MONEY + the seller knows he is a top dman so your 1st rounder better be a top 3 pick not a 20-25 pick plus your TOP PROSPECT and that will HURT YOU BAD, you wont like that part AT ALL. So its all about the best you can afford, RIGHT? all while NOT being outbid, RIGHT?

Even if they can send cap dumps (Kerfoot and Mrazek) in a trade to get Chychrun (whatever futures they agree with), the Leafs salary cap looks like this after that trade for next season...

13 players signed with $11.4M in cap space. 8-10 players to sign with one of them to sign being Campbell. Very tough decisions for the Leafs to make to manage the cap

 

[The90]

Obviously, Chychrun would be ideal but that's going to cost a lot more than just a 1st. Not sure the Leafs can outbid other teams and the Coyotes appear to be looking for a gold mine. Basically dangling a value contract and hoping for a hit. Be honest, if the Habs had Chychrun and we were asking for a gold mine like the Coyotes, I just wonder what the reaction and comments would be? My hunch tells me his game is targeted and the "he's only signed for 3 more years, then UFA" is a focus by many.

As far as Petry. The age and AAV is not ideal but he is lean for his body size and his skating is still top notch. His struggles this year is not about decline IMO but feel free to dissagree. There was something off between Ducharme and Petry and his game has come back with MSL.

The question I have with the Leafs if cap space for next year? 14 players signed with $8.7M in cap space and Campbell has to be signed right? Going to have to move out Mrazek and Kerfoot? Not sure you can afford to bring in anybody with a $4M+ AAV hit at this stage. That's basically the cost to extending Rielly

Rielly is covered by Kessel’s cap hit coming off the books, and the cap going up 1.2 fyi. There’s only 2-300k in the difference there.

Funny how the leafs are always in cap hell, till they’re not.

 

[SlyIslands]

Well I mean all the numbers above those points pretty near demolish any response anyways lol

Not really, it just show that he's a defensive dmen

 

[Habs Halifax]

It’s not anything to do with who he plays for at all. He literally showed you stats from Winnipeg as well to show his impact isn’t good. For the record I could care less which team the leafs trade with so long as they improve the team. I just don’t think Chiarot is an improvement on almost any leaf defensemen at the moment, even if he gives some fans the warm fuzzies over how much he cross checks.

The reports all said that the ASK is a first rounder. Nobody said he 100% is getting a first rounder. If someone pony’s up a first rounder he’s gone in an instant. Nobody has been desperate enough to do that though so he remains in Montreal.

Comparing stats to the Jets with Chiarot is like comparing stats with Petry from his Oilers days. Maturity has improved their games but if that's what you value, all the power to you. It would be similar to comparing Campbell with the Kings who was a back-up and blocked from more ice time/opportunity

Keep digging and where is your acknowledgement that the poster you backed up totally overlooked that the numbers I posted was about Muzzin (not Chiarot). You ignoring that part right cause it goes against your narrative? Come on man

 

[The90]

Not really, it just show that he's a defensive dmen

Just not a very good one.

 

[The90]

Comparing stats to the Jets with Chiarot is like comparing stats with Petry from his Oilers days. Maturity has improved their games but if that's what you value, all the power to you. It would be similar to comparing Campbell with the Kings who was a back-up and blocked from more ice time/opportunity

Keep digging

I don’t need to dig at anything. The numbers were already posted for you. He has a negative influence on everyone he plays with. Maturity hasn’t improved his game at all, he’s the same player then as he is now, the stats show that.

What a wonderful example Campbell is. He was a career .916 backup goaltender before coming to Toronto. This year? .920. Forgive me if I’m not So shocked that going from a lower seed team has resulted in a whopping .04% change in his save percentage. Why? Because he’s the same player. We’re not talking about an epiphany where Chiarot is suddenly better because he plays on Montreal. That’s never been the case. Your playoffs last year are clouding your judgement. Carey Price covered up a whole lot of warts on that run until he couldn’t anymore.

 

[SlyIslands]

Just not a very good one.

Well I don't agree, I think he's been great since the last half of his first year with the Habs. Edmundson was seen as a terrible player but was great last year.

Anyway people tend to overvalue draft picks. If you look at his draft year he would be a late first or early second rounder.

 

[RC51]

It’s not anything to do with who he plays for at all. He literally showed you stats from Winnipeg as well to show his impact isn’t good. For the record I could care less which team the leafs trade with so long as they improve the team. I just don’t think Chiarot is an improvement on almost any leaf defensemen at the moment, even if he gives some fans the warm fuzzies over how much he cross checks.

The reports all said that the ASK is a first rounder. Nobody said he 100% is getting a first rounder. If someone pony’s up a first rounder he’s gone in an instant. Nobody has been desperate enough to do that though so he remains in Montreal.

Ok well that some strange logic. 1 month to go and you have not heard anybody offer a 1st. WHY on earth would anybody say in public what they have offered and show ALL their cards with 1 month to go. " desperate" well is that not self serving, wow. So desperate meaning not worth the 1st, RIGHT? This again is YOUR personal opinion and not 30 NHL GM's Lastly a lot of sports reporters have already predicted a 1st, have you not been watching tv At all.
Why not just wait the month to see the TRUTH of the MARKET.

 

[The90]

Ok well that some strange logic. 1 month to go and you have not heard anybody offer a 1st. WHY on earth would anybody say in public what they have offered and show ALL their cards with 1 month to go. " desperate" well is that not self serving, wow. So desperate meaning not worth the 1st, RIGHT? This again is YOUR personal opinion and not 30 NHL GM's Lastly a lot of sports reporters have already predicted a 1st, have you not been watching tv At all.
Why not just wait the month to see the TRUTH of the MARKET.

Good luck with that. It’s literally been asks all along. ‘The market is ____’ = they’re asking for a first.

 

[thusk]

Disagree. Lyubushkin is a bottom pairing type that is age 27 with 181 NHL games. Plays 15-18 min a game. Your undervaluing Kulak and overvaluing Lyubushkin. They are very similar and they are not comparable to Chiarot who is a legit top 4D and plays 23-25 min a game. Certainly not comparable to Bogosian who's skating is not as good as any of them. I will say it might be an upgrade on Bogosian in terms of the style of game the Leafs want to play.

Maybe Lyubushkin is slightly better than Kulak? Maybe but he's much closer to Kulak than he is to Chiarot.

Kulak at best is a kind of travis dermott who actually are 8th d in toronto. I guy who can.look good at time and bad other night, thats exactly what both are.

Lybushkin and chiarot look pretty similar at the same age.

Chiarot played great as a completary role with bufyglien on top pair, lyubushkin played great as a complementary role with chychrun on arizona top pair.

You're gonna to tell me chiarot are able to play 22-23 minutes. Its true but only in montreal, a team with defensive depht pretty weak, so they didnt have any real other choice.

At the end, maybe chiarot is better but maybe not at all.

 

[Just a Fan]

you dont think he is worth a 1st but some GMS might. Your second point is if you have to give up a 1st you want a top dman, so the problem with this is a top dman cost a ton of MONEY + the seller knows he is a top dman so your 1st rounder better be a top 3 pick not a 20-25 pick plus your TOP PROSPECT and that will HURT YOU BAD, you wont like that part AT ALL. So its all about the best you can afford, RIGHT? all while NOT being outbid, RIGHT?

My easy answer is if Chiarot costs a 1st, I would walk away. If another GM pays that, all good.

I have no issue paying a higher price in assets for a Lindholm type….but if that doesn’t fly, I would just grab a Schenn type before (imo) overpaying for Chiarot.

 

[Lahey]

In case you didn't notice, the post you replied to was numbers on Muzzin. There was no cherry picked narrative. The funny part is you ignored the Muzzin value numbers and said I cherry picked stats and then you went on to cherry pick stats of your own. Comical.

So do you think several GM's that are interested in Chiarot are idiots and you know better? I think your guilty of deflating Chiarot due to the 1st narrative.... but your not the only one.

Don't reply to my posts please. Your attitude is off the rails and I have no more time for you're inability to have a respectful conversation.

this is hilarious. He literally posted facts as to why chariot is Garbage and not worth a first.. all you reply with is “you are disrespectful don’t reply to my posts” come on man…

 

[habsfan44]

Disagree. Lyubushkin is a bottom pairing type that is age 27 with 181 NHL games. Plays 15-18 min a game. Your undervaluing Kulak and overvaluing Lyubushkin. They are very similar and they are not comparable to Chiarot who is a legit top 4D and plays 23-25 min a game. Certainly not comparable to Bogosian who's skating is not as good as any of them. I will say it might be an upgrade on Bogosian in terms of the style of game the Leafs want to play.

Maybe Lyubushkin is slightly better than Kulak? Maybe but he's much closer to Kulak than he is to Chiarot.

If you go back and re-read the post you quoted you'll notice that I never said anything about value so I don't know where thats coming from , I was just pointing out the differences in their style of play , for example Kulak will never be mistaken for a hard hitting , stay at home defensive defenseman and I wasn't comparing Lyubushkin to chiarot or Bogosian , I was just pointing out that he is MORE comparable to those guys than he is to defensemen like Kulak .

 

[Griffin76]

Actually, although I think Chiarot will improve Leafs but doubt he moves the needle enough. Toronto needs to make big improvement at deadline. Playoffs is going to be tough in East. They likely playing Tampa in first round, then either or Florida or Boston followed by possibly the Canes. That's a tough gauntlet to run. All three, Tampa and Florida both likely to improve at deadline.

Chychrun probably I would go for. Will take your top 2 prospects, a first pick, plus young player like a Sandin or Liljegren. But gives you a shot at a cup plus 3 more years at 4.6 million. Trade a big forward contract over the summer to restock your farm.

Muzzin use his LTIR caproom to do it. I doubt he will be same for some time. Althought he will be back for playoffs most players concussed like him takes quite a bit of time before they are themselves. Likely looking at next season, more so another season after that.

I'll be cheeering for the Leafs this playoff. Rather see a Canadian team get chance at a Cup than a USA team like Tampa again or Boston. Good Luck!!

I think they inquired about Chiarot before. But now they're looking out of necessity. Which is never good.

Big fan of Chychrun. All for getting him. Watched all his games this year. He's good but at that price it's a huge no from me. That's the equivalent of 4 1sts. For that price let others fight it out. He's a number 3 or 4 on this team if everyone is healthy. And he may never be anything more than that. Just to risky to rape an already depleted prospect pool on potential.

 

[The90]

If you go back and re-read the post you quoted you'll notice that I never said anything about value so I don't know where thats coming from , I was just pointing out the differences in their style of play , for example Kulak will never be mistaken for a hard hitting , stay at home defensive defenseman and I wasn't comparing Lyubushkin to chiarot or Bogosian , I was just pointing out that he is MORE comparable to those guys than he is to defensemen like Kulak .

Pretty fair comparison IMO

 

[Habs Halifax]

We will see what Chiarot returns. I don't think it's worth jumping on each others back about. better for sure so how about you stick to your opinions and leave the other poster in his misery