Rumor: Chris Johnston: Some believe Toronto is the front runner for Ben Chiarot.

[Hunter368]

Everyone can calm down or you will be removed from the conversation with an infraction.

Friendly warning

 

[habsfan44]

It's a depth move. Could turn into something or just another body to have in case of injuries. I'd steer clear of the "perfect third pairing guy" for your playoff run. Pretty sure I heard that about Bogosian last year.

Lyubushkin is no different than Kulak on the Habs. Bottom pairing guys who will have good games and bad games. I would not put all your faith on this being a 100% solution for Sandin. Need a little more sample size with that bud

If the Leaf's had the wherewithal to retain Bogosian I think they should have because he provides size , toughness and a mean streak that the Leaf's are missing right now as for Kulak I think he's the offensive guy on a third pair who needs to be paired with a guy like Lyubushkin .

 

[Griffin76]

Not trying to be confrontational. I'd just personally would steer clear of considering Lyubushkin a solution like you think it might be. Not saying you will be wrong but it's a depth move that may or may not work out.

Last year, Holl was considered a solution with Muzzin cause he played well. Well, it's been a bit of a rollercoaster ride with him this year correct? Depth guys are important but it's more about having options than locked in solutions.

He's a solution on the third pairing. I don't think you see him out of the lineup once he gets in, aside from an injury or totally shitting the bed. But i don't see it. Liljegren is not ready for the playoffs this year. We need Muzzin and somebody or now probably 2 somebodies for the second pairing.

As for Holl he's never been a solution for anything other than Dubas' ego. Once Dubas realizes this team is better with Holl out of the lineup the better we are each night.

 

[Dr Pepper]

"some" believe it, eh?

I guess that's the latest insider lingo for "sources say", or "I'm hearing".

Ridiculous.

 

[Habs Halifax]

you mad?? maybe you should open up urban dictionary and look up the meaning of tilted.

Chariot is total trash, any GM who pays a 1st for this type of player deserves to be fired.

hes a 5/6 dman on any actual contender, and the guy makes 3.5m lmao

Chiarot is not total trash. Your too emotionally evolved in the 1st narrative and in turn, you trash the player more than reasonable doubt. There is a clear trend here were members of the media are talking about the interested in Chiarot and that's where the 1st narrative came from. All the Habs fans are doing is talking about how high in demand he is and how that might be a 1st and prospect return. Might be true, might be false.

What's with the "trash" comment? Why go there? Chiarot has played 23-25 min a game and many have taken notice on what value he brings in the playoffs. His numbers are very similar to what Tampa gets from Macdonagh. Laugh at that all you want but the numbers support it... even with Chiarot playing without Weber this year.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If the Leaf's had the wherewithal to retain Bogosian I think they should have because he provides size , toughness and a mean streak that the Leaf's are missing right now as for Kulak I think he's the offensive guy on a third pair who needs to be paired with a guy like Lyubushkin .

Personally, I think the Leafs need big boys that can skate. Bogosian and Foligno were not good enough skaters to fit the structure the Leafs play. That's how I see it anyways

 

[TOCap1]

I don't think the issue is that Chariot is not good. He's a good physical D who can play on your 2nd/3Rd pairing..... its that I don't see the Leafs giving up a 1st for a guy with no term. If they were to trade their 1st (obviously with a plus) then it will be for a D with term.

If the price ended up being a 2nd and a decent prospect then maybe..... but I would assume some other team will beat that price.

 

[Scotianhab]

The trade deadline always have a few trades where players go for more than they’re worth. It has been this way forever. I’m not sure why some people can’t understand that some GM will more than likely overpay for someone like Chiarot. It goes for anyone that’s available. Giordano will probably get a better return than what he’s worth. The deadline makes contending GMs do some crazy things.

 

[habsfan44]

you mad?? maybe you should open up urban dictionary and look up the meaning of tilted.

Chariot is total trash, any GM who pays a 1st for this type of player deserves to be fired.

hes a 5/6 dman on any actual contender, and the guy makes 3.5m lmao

Not mad just a little disappointed that there are people out there like you who can call people "piles of dog crap" and "total trash" in a sad attempt to make a point on a message board .

 

[Stuart Little]

Curious, are you a Leafs fan? Cause this Habs fan don't agree with your assessment on Muzzin. Leafs need his muscle on their back end. Or do you think offense, offense, offense and don't think defense/physicality is important? Not trying to put words in your mouth so please clarify

Forget about a trade between the Habs and Leafs for a second. I can't believe what you just said about Muzzin. You can't be so wrong about the value he brings for the Leafs and just look at the faces of several of his teammates when he was on the ice last night. They know how important he is for that team.

Habs quote last year: After Muzzin wend down for game 7, they knew they were going to beat the Leafs. A few Habs players felt that and were right.

I would agree if Muzzin actually played physical - BUT HE NEVER DOES!!!
and if that is all he brings to the table - why not just pay a guy 2-3 M instead of 5.6m ?

he cant play PP - he has no offence - hes slow - he turns it over
- While I dont consider Chiarot a superstar - 3.5 M to do the same job is alot more effective than 5.6M

 

[habsfan44]

Personally, I think the Leafs need big boys that can skate. Bogosian and Foligno were not good enough skaters to fit the structure the Leafs play. That's how I see it anyways

Thats a good point that I never thought of but either way I think they need to add a player or two with a mean streak who can contribute and light a fire under that core . I believe the Lyubushkin addition is a move in that direction .

 

[Habs Halifax]

I would agree if Muzzin actually played physical - BUT HE NEVER DOES!!!
and if that is all he brings to the table - why not just pay a guy 2-3 M instead of 5.6m ?

he cant play PP - he has no offence - hes slow - he turns it over
- While I dont consider Chiarot a superstar - 3.5 M to do the same job is alot more effective than 5.6M

Lets see how the Leafs D looks after Muzzin is out of the picture for a while (if he is dealing with concussion issues). I bet you miss him.

A few stats in context I looked at for you: Stats over the last two years with a min of 25 games. I think you are getting solid numbers from him based on usage. Sounds similar to what Habs fans said about Danault last year... "Not worth $5.5M" because he can't put up points. Well that's completely ignoring usage and what the coach is asking him to do.

* 47% Corsi with 63% of D zone starts.
* 5.53 Hits/60 (ranks 65th)
* 4.39 Blocks/60 (ranks 98th)
* 1.07 Takeaways/60 (ranks 55th)

 

[Habs Halifax]

Thats a good point that I never thought of but either way I think they need to add a player or two with a mean streak who can contribute and light a fire under that core . I believe the Lyubushkin addition is a move in that direction .

I think Lyubushkin is similar to Kulak for the Habs. Similar age and good 3rd pairing guys that will have good and bad games. I consider that move by the Leafs a depth move that could pay off or not. Depends on team fit and how he can fit into their culture and structure of how they want to play

 

[habsfan44]

I think Lyubushkin is similar to Kulak for the Habs. Similar age and good 3rd pairing guys that will have good and bad games. I consider that move by the Leafs a depth move that could pay off or not. Depends on team fit and how he can fit into their culture and structure of how they want to play

I think the similarities end at age and third pairing guys , Lyubushkin is a big , strong , hard hitting defensive defenseman and Kulak is none of those things . I think Lyubushkin is more comparable to guys like Chiarot and Bogosian .

 

[Lahey]

Not mad just a little disappointed that there are people out there like you who can call people "piles of dog crap" and "total trash" in a sad attempt to make a point on a message board .

its a message board on the internet... LMAO

 

[Lahey]

Lets see how the Leafs D looks after Muzzin is out of the picture for a while (if he is dealing with concussion issues). I bet you miss him.

A few stats in context I looked at for you: Stats over the last two years with a min of 25 games. I think you are getting solid numbers from him based on usage. Sounds similar to what Habs fans said about Danault last year... "Not worth $5.5M" because he can't put up points. Well that's completely ignoring usage and what the coach is asking him to do.

* 47% Corsi with 63% of D zone starts.
* 5.53 Hits/60 (ranks 65th)
* 4.39 Blocks/60 (ranks 98th)
* 1.07 Takeaways/60 (ranks 55th)

I think we will be fine.. we can coast to the playoffs if need be.

Chariot is not worth remotely a first. "he plays 23-25 mins a night" because hes on a god awful team missing weber and such... of course someone has to play these minutes.

Chariot is not a difference maker, and again if anyone pays a 1st for this they'll regret it

 

[habsfan44]

its a message board on the internet... LMAO

Doesn't mean that you can't conduct yourself with some semblance of decorum and respect .

 

[Rob Sense]

I don't think the issue is that Chariot is not good. He's a good physical D who can play on your 2nd/3Rd pairing..... its that I don't see the Leafs giving up a 1st for a guy with no term. If they were to trade their 1st (obviously with a plus) then it will be for a D with term.

If the price ended up being a 2nd and a decent prospect then maybe..... but I would assume some other team will beat that price.

Foligno had term? making intelligent sacrifices to win is what winning GMs do.

 

[Just a Fan]

I have no issue dealing a 1st for an upgrade at D, but Chiarot would not be that player....

 

[34]

I have no issue dealing a 1st for an upgrade at D, but Chiarot would not be that player....

Not even close. Dubas should be immediately fired if he trades a 1st for this guy.

 

[VernonForrest]

I don't think the issue is that Chariot is not good. He's a good physical D who can play on your 2nd/3Rd pairing..... its that I don't see the Leafs giving up a 1st for a guy with no term. If they were to trade their 1st (obviously with a plus) then it will be for a D with term.

If the price ended up being a 2nd and a decent prospect then maybe..... but I would assume some other team will beat that price.

Ok well we have a few of those too. How about David Savard or Jeff Petry?

 

[HockeyVirus]

Why does every thread go like this?

"Team interested in x depth piece"

Fans of said team: Cost will be 1st +

Fans of other team: No way I am not paying that they aren't that good.

Fans of said team: Well you suck anyways!

Fans of other team: No u

repeat for 30 pages

 

[Jerkbait]

you mad?? maybe you should open up urban dictionary and look up the meaning of tilted.

Chariot is total trash, any GM who pays a 1st for this type of player deserves to be fired.

hes a 5/6 dman on any actual contender, and the guy makes 3.5m lmao

Kids kids kids

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

From what ive seen last year playoffs and last night , leafs are completely out of touch physically.
When the game gets heavy , leafs stars just disappear. Feel like it's been a problem for them a while. A player like Chariot would be an upgrade. Leafs need also a josh Anderson type of player.

 

[Canadienna]

Why does every thread go like this?

"Team interested in x depth piece"

Fans of said team: Cost will be 1st +

Fans of other team: No way I am not paying that they aren't that good.

Fans of said team: Well you suck anyways!

Fans of other team: No u

repeat for 30 pages

It's like some new age haggling. Both sides represent not their true positions but the positions they think will maximize their purchasing power.

The part that doesn't make sense is no one is actually making trades on here. Convincing the other fanbase that your guy is really valuable doesn't equate to their GM paying your asking price.

But I mean, it's all in fun. Personally, I think Chiarot would be an excellent addition for the Leafs, full stop.