Rumor: Chris Johnston: Some believe Toronto is the front runner for Ben Chiarot.

[Griffin76]

Once again , your question as to player value is unanswerable because everything we say , write and read is all speculation nothing more . As to the rest , whether or not you like it I'm entitled to my opinion and i'll voice it when and where I see fit . Lastly for your question on individual players on bottom teams helping another team to win when they can't help their own team to win ? Allow me to introduce you to Blake Coleman . Does that answer your question ? By the way there are many examples , I just used one of the most recent .

Everybody can have an opinion. That's what's great about this place. The problem with your example though is that I don't see any of the Habs in question being as good as Blake Coleman though. And that...is my opinion.

Good day.

 

[Grasshopperking]

Sorry but front-runner implies that there will be a winner in a bidding war for a #4 d

 

[General Fanager]

Yes. 3.5m vs 1.35m on a cap strapped team. Playing 3rd pairing minutes. Whose only duties are to hit, block shots, kill penalties and babysit Sandin when he goes wandering around in the offensive zone. Absolutely.

The choice isn't about that at all. It wouldnt be Lyubushkin or Chiarot. Its wether Chiarot can take Muzzins spot and we all saw last playoffs he can.

The Leafs cannot replace Muzzin with Lyubushkin, who has zero playoff games.

 

[General Fanager]

Sorry but front-runner implies that there will be a winner in a bidding war for a #4 d

The Habs will be the winner....

The highest bid gets a solid #4 dman who eats minutes in tight playoff games......

 

[Griffin76]

The choice isn't about that at all. It wouldnt be Lyubushkin or Chiarot. Its wether Chiarot can take Muzzins spot and we all saw last playoffs he can.

The Leafs cannot replace Muzzin with Lyubushkin, who has zero playoff games.

I don't think anyone is asking Lyubushkin to replace Muzzin. If Muzzin doesn't recover from this this year then he will need to be replaced. I don't think Chiarot is the right person for that job. Now he may be the only option and if he is then Dubas will pay the asking price. And who knows, maybe he can excel with the Leafs and I have him pegged all wrong. I don't know.

The reason I was comparing Chiarot to Lyubushkin was for a bottom pairing only. Lyubushkin shouldn't be on a second pairing this year and Chiarot is too expensive for a third pairing.

 

[Habs Halifax]

What a pile of B.S.

Hab fans thought they could get PLD for Dvorak and the theory just built into a an all out circle jerk. Some clown even thought adding a broken down 34 year old Petry who is signed for til he is 37 years old at 6.5 mill and taking on a LTIR would be a sweet enough deal to get the Jets to bite.

or should we bring up the rumours that are being made up on that same aboard about players having substance abuse issues, because of the way their eyes looked when they hit a Canadiens player?

Didn’t see any ridicule on any of these items so don’t give my that BS line that they would be ridiculed. Pile of crap.

The only pile of crap is assuming all Habs fans think the same way which you obviously do. Try a different respectful approch or don't bother replying at all.

Throwing entire fan bases under the bus under one opinion should be against the rules of HF boards. To avoid posts like yours that leads to nowhere other than throwing out insults.

What does Dvorak for PLD have anything to do with me? How about you refer to the actual posters who said that buddy

 

[General Fanager]

I don't think anyone is asking Lyubushkin to replace Muzzin. If Muzzin doesn't recover from this this year then he will need to be replaced. I don't think Chiarot is the right person for that job. Now he may be the only option and if he is then Dubas will pay the asking price. And who knows, maybe he can excel with the Leafs and I have him pegged all wrong. I don't know.

The reason I was comparing Chiarot to Lyubushkin was for a bottom pairing only. Lyubushkin shouldn't be on a second pairing this year and Chiarot is too expensive for a third pairing.

They will need to have a plan for if Muzzin doesn't come back or gets injured again in the playoffs. Maybe its Chiarot or maybe its not. However I will say this, anyone better than Chiarot will cost more in terms of assets. Especially now that Muzzin is hurt again....

 

[Lahey]

chiarot is literally dog crap hahaha

 

[Griffin76]

They will need to have a plan for if Muzzin doesn't come back or gets injured again in the playoffs. Maybe its Chiarot or maybe its not. However I will say this, anyone better than Chiarot will cost more in terms of assets. Especially now that Muzzin is hurt again....

And maybe I'm terrible at evaluating a players worth and Chiarot can step in and fill Muzzin's shoes quite well. Hopefully he can cause I'm guessing if the news is bad on Muzzin today we will see Chiarot in the blue and white very soon.

 

[General Fanager]

And maybe I'm terrible at evaluating a players worth and Chiarot can step in and fill Muzzin's shoes quite well. Hopefully he can cause I'm guessing if the news is bad on Muzzin today we will see Chiarot in the blue and white very soon.

Who knows.

Even if its good news, If I were Dubas I would have a real plan B and C just incase. Muzzin seems fragile..

 

[Stuart Little]

Leafs need to do the following

#1 - Get rid of Muzzin in some capacity (Trade, IR, release) = the reality is he just sucks and is especially not worth 5.6 M
- by Toronto shedding that 5.6 makes them instantly better
this can be done by acquiring players up to 5.6 m or retained salary up to 11.2M

#2 - Line #4 and Line #2 has no identity AT ALL! this is due to Engvall on line 4 and Kerfoot on Line 2
- they need a big bodied guy on LW that can bring another element to that second line

- same goes to line 4 - get rid of Engvall and let someone pair with Simmonds and smash people around. but right now you have simmonds who want to hit and fit and spezza who can be nasty - but then having engvall on there is like putting a harness on them - get a guy like Deslaurier or Roussel, etc that has a specific purpose

 

[habsfan44]

Everybody can have an opinion. That's what's great about this place. The problem with your example though is that I don't see any of the Habs in question being as good as Blake Coleman though. And that...is my opinion.

Good day.

Thats your opinion and I respect that , you might be right or you might be wrong but we won't know until something actually happens . I remember some posters lambasting the Bolts for the "massive overpayment" for Coleman and they were all wrong but the cup victory speaks volumes . Contention Windows don't stay open forever and as much as some fans like to piss on Dubas , at least he's trying which is more than I can say for that core . It's time for them to grow up and pay the price for what it takes to win instead of the no contact ballet on ice that they seem to have grown accustomed to.....and that's my opinion . Have a good one .

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think anyone is asking Lyubushkin to replace Muzzin. If Muzzin doesn't recover from this this year then he will need to be replaced. I don't think Chiarot is the right person for that job. Now he may be the only option and if he is then Dubas will pay the asking price. And who knows, maybe he can excel with the Leafs and I have him pegged all wrong. I don't know.

The reason I was comparing Chiarot to Lyubushkin was for a bottom pairing only. Lyubushkin shouldn't be on a second pairing this year and Chiarot is too expensive for a third pairing.

Lyubushkin is a depth move. An extra body in case of injury and someone who has more experience over a young player like Lilejgren.

Chiarot is likely to be traded with 50% retention so many teams can add him (cap reasons) and who cares about expensive 3rd pairing if you are able to add him and stay under the cap? You play him where you get the best results for the team. Exactly how Tampa used Savard last year

You looking for more cheaper depth like Lyubushkin? We can trade you Kulak for cheap? He's basically equal or better than Lyubushkin if you rather add depth vs paying the price to get Chiarot.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Leafs need to do the following

#1 - Get rid of Muzzin in some capacity (Trade, IR, release) = the reality is he just sucks and is especially not worth 5.6 M
- by Toronto shedding that 5.6 makes them instantly better
this can be done by acquiring players up to 5.6 m or retained salary up to 11.2M

#2 - Line #4 and Line #2 has no identity AT ALL! this is due to Engvall on line 4 and Kerfoot on Line 2
- they need a big bodied guy on LW that can bring another element to that second line

- same goes to line 4 - get rid of Engvall and let someone pair with Simmonds and smash people around. but right now you have simmonds who want to hit and fit and spezza who can be nasty - but then having engvall on there is like putting a harness on them - get a guy like Deslaurier or Roussel, etc that has a specific purpose

Curious, are you a Leafs fan? Cause this Habs fan don't agree with your assessment on Muzzin. Leafs need his muscle on their back end. Or do you think offense, offense, offense and don't think defense/physicality is important? Not trying to put words in your mouth so please clarify

Forget about a trade between the Habs and Leafs for a second. I can't believe what you just said about Muzzin. You can't be so wrong about the value he brings for the Leafs and just look at the faces of several of his teammates when he was on the ice last night. They know how important he is for that team.

Habs quote last year: After Muzzin wend down for game 7, they knew they were going to beat the Leafs. A few Habs players felt that and were right.

 

[TopG]

He was a beast in the playoffs. Leafs will gladly take him. People saying he sucks are clueless nerds

 

[habsfan44]

chiarot is literally dog crap hahaha

You're a perfect example of what's wrong with these boards . Maybe you should open a book and look up the meaning of literally .

 

[Griffin76]

Lyubushkin is a depth move. An extra body in case of injury and someone who has more experience over a young player like Lilejgren.

Chiarot is likely to be traded with 50% retention so many teams can add him (cap reasons) and who cares about expensive 3rd pairing if you are able to add him and stay under the cap? You play him where you get the best results for the team. Exactly how Tampa used Savard last year

You looking for more cheaper depth like Lyubushkin? We can trade you Kulak for cheap? He's basically equal or better than Lyubushkin if you rather add depth vs paying the price to get Chiarot.

Lyubushkin was brought in to pair with Sandin. He's a perfect third pairing guy. Play 16 to 17 minutes a night, kill penalties, hit people, make life miserable down below the goal line, clear the front of the net and be Sandin's safety net when he goes wandering. He's the perfect guy for the job. If Chiarot comes in at 50% and we need him because Muzzin can't go then he'll have to do. Hopefully he can prove me wrong but I just don't see the fit. Anything north of 18 minutes a night is too much as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Captain97]

And our 2G, and Byron, etc etc. no team can reasonably replace half the lineup in a cap, low trade league

To be fair we were terrible with Allen as well. But I'll concede Byron

1D, 1G, 3D, 2C, 3W.

We also technically lost Tatar but picked up Hoffman so call that even.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lyubushkin was brought in to pair with Sandin. He's a perfect third pairing guy. Play 16 to 17 minutes a night, kill penalties, hit people, make life miserable down below the goal line, clear the front of the net and be Sandin's safety net when he goes wandering. He's the perfect guy for the job. If Chiarot comes in at 50% and we need him because Muzzin can't go then he'll have to do. Hopefully he can prove me wrong but I just don't see the fit. Anything north of 18 minutes a night is too much as far as I'm concerned.

It's a depth move. Could turn into something or just another body to have in case of injuries. I'd steer clear of the "perfect third pairing guy" for your playoff run. Pretty sure I heard that about Bogosian last year.

Lyubushkin is no different than Kulak on the Habs. Bottom pairing guys who will have good games and bad games. I would not put all your faith on this being a 100% solution for Sandin. Need a little more sample size with that bud

 

[Griffin76]

It's a depth move. Could turn into something or just another body to have in case of injuries. I'd steer clear of the "perfect third pairing guy" for your playoff run. Pretty sure I heard that about Bogosian last year.

Lyubushkin is no different than Kulak on the Habs. Bottom pairing guys who will have good games and bad games. I would not put all your faith on this being a 100% solution for Sandin. Need a little more sample size with that bud

I've watched every Arizona game this year. I have a pretty good idea what we're getting in Lyubushkin. He's better than Bogosian. And Bogosian wasn't even the problem last year.

 

[Brixton]

The only pile of crap is assuming all Habs fans think the same way which you obviously do. Try a different respectful approch or don't bother replying at all.

Throwing entire fan bases under the bus under one opinion should be against the rules of HF boards. To avoid posts like yours that leads to nowhere other than throwing out insults.

What does Dvorak for PLD have anything to do with me? How about you refer to the actual posters who said that buddy

You are the queen of deflections aren’t you, especially since you were the one that suggested the Petry addin piece. If you can’t find your own post there is a problem. You made it within the last 24 hours.

respect is earned and clowns that spout off the narrative that “Habs fans would ridicule other posters on the Habs forum if they made stupid statements” and then they don’t even back up there statements by ridiculing the idiot that suggested a player has a substance abuse issue? Way to step up and walk the walk. Obviously no one believes the shit you are slinging when you don’t back up your words. Clowns like that don’t deserve any respect. And then say it wasn’t you in the PLD fantasy talk. Hilarious. Also I am not your “buddy”. My buddies have integrity.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I've watched every Arizona game this year. I have a pretty good idea what we're getting in Lyubushkin. He's better than Bogosian. And Bogosian wasn't even the problem last year.

Not trying to be confrontational. I'd just personally would steer clear of considering Lyubushkin a solution like you think it might be. Not saying you will be wrong but it's a depth move that may or may not work out.

Last year, Holl was considered a solution with Muzzin cause he played well. Well, it's been a bit of a rollercoaster ride with him this year correct? Depth guys are important but it's more about having options than locked in solutions.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You are the queen of deflections aren’t you, especially since you were the one that suggested the Petry addin piece. If you can’t find your own post there is a problem. You made it within the last 24 hours.

respect is earned and clowns that spout off the narrative that “Habs fans would ridicule other posters on the Habs forum if they made stupid statements” and then they don’t even back up there statements by ridiculing the idiot that suggested a player has a substance abuse issue? Way to step up and walk the walk. Obviously no one believes the shit you are slinging when you don’t back up your words. Clowns like that don’t deserve any respect. And then say it wasn’t you in the PLD fantasy talk. Hilarious. Also I am not your “buddy”. My buddies have integrity.

The problem is your attitude towards others. Make a better attempt to have respectful conversations and we would get along fine (even in disagreements). Not going to hold my breath.

Care to clarify the "Petry add in piece" comment? And what does that have to do with PLD vs Dvorak? You seem to be just throwing out random comments out of thin air

 

[Lahey]

You're a perfect example of what's wrong with these boards . Maybe you should open a book and look up the meaning of literally .

you mad?? maybe you should open up urban dictionary and look up the meaning of tilted.

Chariot is total trash, any GM who pays a 1st for this type of player deserves to be fired.

hes a 5/6 dman on any actual contender, and the guy makes 3.5m lmao

 

[Adam Michaels]

He was a beast in the playoffs. Leafs will gladly take him. People saying he sucks are clueless nerds

And the team that will acquire him is a team that won't put Chiarot in the same position the Habs had to. The playoff teams looking for a deep run will already have their Top-4 set and will just need a guy like Chiarot to help deepen their blue line.

Tampa had their Top-4 D set but still went and added Savard to help deepen that back end. And they don't regret for a second the 1st + 3rd + 4th they sent to Columbus and Detroit to acquire him.