Celebrity Death: Chris Cornell

[beowulf]

....well this doesn't look good for Ativan, to say the least.

You could have a little anxiety, be prescribed ativan and next thing you know you're having suicidal thoughts and acting on them before even having a chance to get lucid and realize you don't actually feel that way.

Sadly many anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds have suicidal side effects listed.

 

[Extra Texture]

Like many of you, this one has hit me hard. I loved Soundgarden and loved his career, and its an incredible talent that has been lost, but I wasnt some megafan by any stretch. I think its about the place that music occupies in my life story. They were the soundtrack of the point in my life at which I was coming of age, and grunge music and Soundgarden were not just a part of that, they made a kid from the Northwest feel like they were at the center of it all for a minute. That music wasnt just about the agency of discovering something good that I enjoyed, it was about recognizing the world out there, musically, culturally, politically was alot closer than I realized and wasnt some abstract or distant reality on TV. Sounds like dramatic nonsense, but it felt real at the time.

On top of that, he just seemed like such a peaceful and placid guy. Worked with so many people in the music industry, and put that legendary vocal stamp on everything. What a loss. I know they're gone, but for Cornell and so many of these guys I am eternally grateful for the legacy they have left the world with. And in true old man fashion, I hope I can raise my kids and play them those albums to show them that music is meant to have passion, soul and meaning.

I owned just one Soundgarden album, Superunknown. I bought it on cassette July 28, 1994...

Thank you for sharing that, man. I'm sorry for the pain of that loss, and its amazing how music can just take you back to those same raw feelings of your life like it happened yesterday.

Say Hello 2 Heaven snip

Another great part of his legacy. Only recently did I buy the Temple album and give it a full listen, and I was blown away. Just captures the raw energy and passion of that sound so well, and the emotion of the band at such a difficult time. If anyone loves the Seattle sound and hasn't heard it, do yourself a favor.

And of course cant let this thread pass without sharing my favorite track on the album. Chris at his best here, and may he rest in peace:

 

[silverfish]

Sadly many anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds have suicidal side effects listed.

I mean... I'm no doctor... and I'm lucky enough to not have to deal with this sort of thing in my life... but... suicidal thoughts as a side-effect to anti-anxiety meds seems rather... contradictory(?).

 

[seventieslord]

I mean... I'm no doctor... and I'm lucky enough to not have to deal with this sort of thing in my life... but... suicidal thoughts as a side-effect to anti-anxiety meds seems rather... contradictory(?).

...indeed.

 

[Ceremony]

Suicidal thoughts and impaired judgement aren't really concurrent side effects you want from the one thing.

 

[Captain Bowie]

I mean... I'm no doctor... and I'm lucky enough to not have to deal with this sort of thing in my life... but... suicidal thoughts as a side-effect to anti-anxiety meds seems rather... contradictory(?).

Absolutely, I say the same thing to myself whenever I see a commercial for any of those medications on TV. Or any medication really. I'd rather suffer through ED and Allergies than deal with such side affects.

 

[silverfish]

Absolutely, I say the same thing to myself whenever I see a commercial for any of those medications on TV. Or any medication really. I'd rather suffer through ED and Allergies than deal with such side affects.

I had a gastro tell me once that I had intermittent IBS, and he prescribed me pills for it, and one of the potential side-effects was seizures... so I was like, yeah, I'll just take a real big **** every once in a while.

 

[Acadmus]

Kurt Cobain
Layne Staley
Scott Weiland
and now Chris Cornell

This is a fourth part of my childhood leaving too soon. RIP Chris.

Just a startling reminder about how playing around with heroin won't get you far in life. Cornell may have been suicide after years of being sober, but you can't rule out the possibility of an underlying addiction causing depression that led to it. Meanwhile Cobain's, Staley's, and Weiland's deaths were all related to it, as were a number of deaths amongst band mates and associates from other west coast bands from that time period. Scary to think the problem is more rampant and widespread in society today than it was then, but it is...exponentially so.

 

[Acadmus]

Staley was pretty much a recluse the last few years of his life, I remember reading reports that he was like 80 pounds when he died. There aren't even any photos of him from like 1999 til his death.

Wasn't it also determined he'd been dead for quite some time before his body was discovered?

 

[Acadmus]

Struggling to think of a better voice since I was born (1989)

There are better, depending upon your definition of the term. I personally prefer Vedder's singing to Cornell's in the rock category, though Cornell clearly had more range. In terms of technical singing talent, Grant-Lee Phillips, Fran Healy, Tom Chaplin, and Matt Bellamy probably all rank above him, just to name some with whom I'm familiar.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Wasn't it also determined he'd been dead for quite some time before his body was discovered?

Yep.

 

[Rocko604]

After Layne died (which crushed me, even though it seemed inevitable) I never really thought to myself "oh wow, only Eddie and Chris are left" but now when I think of it as only Eddie left, it's really ****ing weird.

Not grunge related but if Tim Armstrong dies any time soon, I'm ****ing done.

 

[zombie kopitar]

There are better, depending upon your definition of the term. I personally prefer Vedder's singing to Cornell's in the rock category, though Cornell clearly had more range. In terms of technical singing talent, Grant-Lee Phillips, Fran Healy, Tom Chaplin, and Matt Bellamy probably all rank above him , just to name some with whom I'm familiar.

Good luck finding one other person on the planet who agrees with you there.

 

[Ceremony]

I've just realised Tom Chaplin is the guy from Keane. Behave yourself.

 

[beowulf]

I mean... I'm no doctor... and I'm lucky enough to not have to deal with this sort of thing in my life... but... suicidal thoughts as a side-effect to anti-anxiety meds seems rather... contradictory(?).

Do a quick search an see that it is a problem with some people like any other side effect. It does not mean everyone will get it but it does happen.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=suic....69i57j0l2.10477j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


In 2004, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a black box warning — the agency’s strictest warning — on all selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI) antidepressants for their association with suicidal thoughts and behaviors.

That warning was updated in 2007, with the FDA specifying that the risk is highest for young adults ages 18 to 24. Children under 18 are also at risk.

Clinical studies found no significant increase of suicidality among adults older than 24 and a decrease in suicidal thoughts among adults 65 and older.

Many SSRIs are intended for use in adults only, but they can be prescribed to children, teens and young adults as an off-label treatment of depression and anxiety disorders.

 

[beowulf]

Great read and I still do think he was the best at what he did for the last three decades.

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/there-was-no-one-else-on-earth-like-chris-cornell

 

[Mach85]

I mean... I'm no doctor... and I'm lucky enough to not have to deal with this sort of thing in my life... but... suicidal thoughts as a side-effect to anti-anxiety meds seems rather... contradictory(?).

Suicidal ideation in antidepressants and other medication is largely a risk for the developing mind. It's not going to place suicidal thoughts that one is not able to inhibit (i.e. lead to one making an attempt) in an otherwise healthy adult mind. Unfortunately, many spouses and other family members don't realize the extent to which one is struggling until it's too late. I mean, look at Wade Belak. This wasn't an Ativan-induced suicide.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Driving home today they played 5 songs in a row that Chris was the front man on. Never heard this one that I recalled, very appropriate.



What a voice. I was never a huge fan beyond Superunknown, but I appreciated his talent and will likely enjoy more of his music now that he's gone sadly. Just thinking about how many people he touched in a positive way with his music and then he leaves his family behind like that. As sad as it is that he's gone, I feel even worse for those that he left behind, they lost a son, husband and father.

 

[beowulf]

Driving home today they played 5 songs in a row that Chris was the front man on. Never heard this one that I recalled, very appropriate.



What a voice. I was never a huge fan beyond Superunknown, but I appreciated his talent and will likely enjoy more of his music now that he's gone sadly. Just thinking about how many people he touched in a positive way with his music and then he leaves his family behind like that. As sad as it is that he's gone, I feel even worse for those that he left behind, they lost a son, husband and father.

Temple of the Dog man! That's the one off band that came together with the death of Mother Love Bone frontman Andy Wood who was Chris' roommate. It was in memory of Andy.

 

[Legionnaire]

....well this doesn't look good for Ativan, to say the least.

You could have a little anxiety, be prescribed ativan and next thing you know you're having suicidal thoughts and acting on them before even having a chance to get lucid and realize you don't actually feel that way.

Ativan is benzopiazapine and they are highly addictive and can be deadly. Overdose deaths are not that infrequent especially when mixed with drugs or alcohol.

 

[clefty]

Euphoria Morning is one of my desert island records. It wasn't received so well at the time because people were wanting/expecting aggressive, Soundgarden-y stuff, and didn't got for the dreamy, psychadelic, mellow approach, and found it pretentious. I adored it.

 

[Cloned]

....well this doesn't look good for Ativan, to say the least.

You could have a little anxiety, be prescribed ativan and next thing you know you're having suicidal thoughts and acting on them before even having a chance to get lucid and realize you don't actually feel that way.

I will try to give a bit of a background from a pharmacist's perspective:

Benzodiazepines at proper doses don't generally do this.

However:

Short-acting benzos at higher than recommended doses can cause memory issues and behavioural abnormalities where people do strange things they don't even remember doing during sleep or under the influence of the drug.

One of these ultra short acting benzos, triazolam, was actually withdrawn from the UK market because of this, because it was doing these things to people even at recommended doses.

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-10-03/news/mn-4409_1_halcion-sleeping-pill

If you read that article, you'll see that one lady even killed her mother and didn't remember doing it.

If Cornell had taken too much Ativan, this might be the reason. At regular doses I don't think this happens.

 

[Mach85]

I will try to give a bit of a background from a pharmacist's perspective:

Benzodiazepines at proper doses don't generally do this.

However:

Short-acting benzos at higher than recommended doses can cause memory issues and behavioural abnormalities where people do strange things they don't even remember doing during sleep or under the influence of the drug.

One of these ultra short acting benzos, triazolam, was actually withdrawn from the UK market because of this, because it was doing these things to people even at recommended doses.

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-10-03/news/mn-4409_1_halcion-sleeping-pill

If you read that article, you'll see that one lady even killed her mother and didn't remember doing it.

If Cornell had taken too much Ativan, this might be the reason. At regular doses I don't think this happens.

The thing about extreme cases like in that article though, without knowledge of her case, is that woman almost certainly had a pre-existing mental disorder. Whether it initially manifested by taking excess amounts of that medication, worsened, or caused her to fall into relapse/recurrence, is either of our guesses. There's no prescription drug on the market that can turn someone into a programmed killing or suicide machine with no pre-existing diathesis (I say this as someone who's completing his PhD in a clinical program). Someone given drugs/substances that act as depressants, when they're already experiencing some form of depression, may exacerbate their pre-existing condition.

 

[Cloned]

The thing about extreme cases like in that article though, without knowledge of her case, is that woman almost certainly had a pre-existing mental disorder. Whether it initially manifested by taking excess amounts of that medication, worsened, or caused her to fall into relapse/recurrence, is either of our guesses. There's no prescription drug on the market that can turn someone into a programmed killing or suicide machine with no pre-existing diathesis (I say this as someone who's completing his PhD in a clinical program). Someone given drugs/substances that act as depressants, when they're already experiencing some form of depression, may exacerbate their pre-existing condition.

Well, I think that's implied. People are prescribed these drugs because they have an underlying medical condition, usually anxiety or depression.

The point is that at recommended doses, these drugs treat these conditions.

When you take more than you should or combine them in ways that were not intended, in addition to the underlying condition, death is always a possibility.

 

[Mach85]

Well, I think that's implied. People are prescribed these drugs because they have an underlying medical condition, usually anxiety or depression.

The point is that at recommended doses, these drugs treat these conditions.

When you take more than you should or combine them in ways that were not intended, in addition to the underlying condition, death is always a possibility.

Benzodiazepines are often prescribed for anxiety, people use them for sleep as well. Two conditions not really associated with suicide. And the above statement is assuming he'd get these drugs legitimately. Benzos can be purchased off the street quite easily, and probably are like buying candy for a celebrity Furthermore, they're a quite popular recreational drug as well. It seemed to me that discussion was going in the direction of "the drugs made him do it" (not talking about you) so my intention was to throw a bit of cold water on that.