I mentioned before but the NCAA revenue sharing to the big conferences is a huge game changer. Every school in the B1G is getting upwards of 26 mil yearly and each sport is capped on how much money they can get. Some hockey programs will get 10% of that which is more than enough to spread the wealth.
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The House settlement agreed upon amount is roughly 20.5 million per institution if they agree to opt in. For the sake of argument, let's say that a big 10 hockey program receives 10% of that amount. That would be a little over 2 million. You may think that is a hefty amount, but understand that the revenue sharing includes tuition, board and all other expenses paid. So roughly $50,000 per rostered player would be paid out in tuition board books and fees leaving approximately $26,000 per player. A nice little sum but no where near what an ELC will provide.
This of course is only IF the hockey program receives 10 percent of revenue sharing.
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my guess is they could just go since the announcement of CHL/NCAA so a guy like Henry mews gets 1 year paid for by OHL for playing out this year and however long he stays in NCAA
Otherwise a guy like cedrick Guindon gets paid for 5 by OHL and however many by NCAA
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OMG67
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CHL players that do not fulfill their contract forfeit all scholarship money they accumulate. Mews would need to play through his full eligibility not including his OA year. So, since he still had one year remaining on his obligation, he forfeits his education package.
However, these guys will all sign ELCs at some point so it is likely he’d be forfeiting his education package anyway.
The guys that will benefit are the 20 and 21 year olds that fulfill their full obligation to the league. They will carry their education package over to the NCAA so it can cover the elements that may not be covered with their NCAA agreement.
Also keep in mind that they cannot string their scholarships. For example, they cannot play four years NCAA and then go to a CIS school. They can only delay their CHL scholarship for 18-30 months depending on their age when they leave the league.
However, there are only 6 Big 10 Schools that play hockey: Michigan; Michigan State; Penn State; Ohio State; Minnesota and Wisconsin. I know of no movement at any of the other schools to add hockey. The other big money conference, the Southeastern Conference have no schools which play hockey. Many of the 60 some schools that play D I hockey are actually D II in all other sports. The money is not there for these schools.
Only 9 Universities in the Big 4 Conferences play Hockey, The 6 big 10 schools plus Boston College, Notre Dame and Arizona State.
For NCAA hockey as a whole, the money will not be there.
They play in the Big 10 hockey league, but will receive no benefit from Big 10 Football or Basketball. They are Independent in Football and play Basketball in theACC.
Frankly, ND is probably more profitable on their own than if they played Football in the Big 10.
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Schools are definitely looking at cutting sports (and some have) but Harvard has plenty of money.
Here's an example of a D1 team dropping levels because of budget cuts:
AIC Will Drop Men's Hockey Program From Division I To Division II In 2025 - FloHockey
American International College will drop its men's hockey program to the Division II level next season after 27 years at Division I.
06 Luke Ellinas signs with Ottawa, so there’s another good OHL’er who won’t be going to the ncaa and preferred to sign his ELC.
Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students
The Trump administration revoked Harvard University’s ability to enroll international students in its escalating battle with the Ivy League school, saying thousands of current students must transfer to other schools or leave the country.
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Epperson is undrafted...I believe he's projected to be a late 2nd or 3rd rounder based on his central scouting rankings. He could still sign his ELC too but he currently doesn't have one to sign.
Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students
The Trump administration revoked Harvard University’s ability to enroll international students in its escalating battle with the Ivy League school, saying thousands of current students must transfer to other schools or leave the country.
Judge temporarily blocks Trump plan to stop Harvard enrolling foreign students
It comes a day after the administration said it had revoked Harvard's access to student visa programmes.
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Does anyone know whether any of the US college hockey programs are revenue positive? For instance, does a school like BU actually make money on their hockey program that they can use to fund other sports.
I understand that football and basketball tend to make money at the bigger schools. A couple years ago I recall reading a couple articles on concerns around the changes to NCAA sport funding and the impact on college baseball, as it was a net money loser for almost all schools. There are also stories of sports like men's water polo losing funding because of Title IX requirements.
I'm curious what impact these dynamics may have on hockey programs. At schools like the Boston schools, Denver and Minnesota schools, the hockey teams are highly regarded and high profile so they will always be supported regardless of cost. Not sure whether anyone has any insights.
I understand that football and basketball tend to make money at the bigger schools. A couple years ago I recall reading a couple articles on concerns around the changes to NCAA sport funding and the impact on college baseball, as it was a net money loser for almost all schools. There are also stories of sports like men's water polo losing funding because of Title IX requirements.
I'm curious what impact these dynamics may have on hockey programs. At schools like the Boston schools, Denver and Minnesota schools, the hockey teams are highly regarded and high profile so they will always be supported regardless of cost. Not sure whether anyone has any insights.
Here's a good Reddit thread on that subject..it's only a year old
Funny enough CHL President Dan McKenzie was on Jeff Mareks podcast today. They briefly talked about the changes and McKenzie says there will be no problems getting the players when there younger which I think everyone agrees. He did not say, and Marek did not ask how they are going to ensure the top end talent stays when they are old enough to go NCAA.
I know there are a lot of people on here that say to stop over reacting to every player leaving. I too myself thought and believe the best path should be CHL. But clearly many these high calibre players think otherwise.
What I gotten from the CHL is that they will just wait a few years to see how this plays out. I am really starting to think that’s the wrong approach. You are going to have be creative and willing to invest a lot of money to compete with the big US schools. That might mean things such as:
•turning the scholarship money into actuall money to compete with NIL. For example if you are an NHL drafted player and you stay for your 19 year old season the value of your scholarship can be cashed into real money.
* agreeing that some 19 year old player can play some games in the AHL (1st and possibly 2nd rounders). For example maybe they can get loaned for a maximum of 20 regualr AHL games in addition to unlimited pre season
* facilities seem to be the big one. Some teams are going to have to spend big to upgrade their training facilities. It may not be realistic to compete with some of these big schools but improvements need to be made. If I’m the Brantford Bulldogs and I’m building a new arena, for sure I’m making sure the gym is top notch
* this is a big one and really outside the box but getting away with the billet system. In my ideal world I would lodge the players myself in some sort of team residence. And I would have cooking staff and nutritionist preparing the meals. Nothing against billet families I’m sure they are great people, but if I’m a high performance athlete I want to ensure I’m getting the best meals. Yes you would also need to pay for additional staff to make sure no shit happens like friends and girls coming over
These are just some things that cross my mind. I know building better gyms and team residence with cooks is expensive, but I strongly believe the CHL needs to be proactive and creative rather than just sitting on their hands for 5 years to watch how this goes
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Paying players means REAL ticket prices in the CHL. $50-$60 tickets isn’t the answer so they will need to do a better job on the promotional side to massively increase the sponsorship $$$.
The reality is there are only a handful of NCAA hockey programs that can support the “poaching.” The hockey programs do not generate anywhere near the CHL so the money supporting this NCAA “expansion” is coming from other programs or private funds. I cannot see that continue.
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Dare I say is it possible that some of these players might WANT to leave the CHL. Tired of the bus rides, the schedule, wanting to play with older competition and the desire so set out on their own. It's new, exciting and they are confident that the NHL prize can happen for them in this new setting.
Just don't get me started on the abject stupidity of the NCAA and the direction it is taking.
Just don't get me started on the abject stupidity of the NCAA and the direction it is taking.
Even without the money aspect, the NCAA and its development model is going to draw many of those top players looking to play at the next level. The CHL is in a difficult spot with limited resources and is not in a great position to compete. If these leagues choose to fight it out, what happens when the NHL votes to allow some 19yr olds to play in the AHL; the NCAA decides to increase their games played and expand the playoffs.
The best option IMO would be for the CHL/NCAA/NHL to work together to create the best possible situation to grow the game.
The best option IMO would be for the CHL/NCAA/NHL to work together to create the best possible situation to grow the game.
Agree that one advantage the CHL should have is its schedule to make you pro ready. I never understood the argument that NCAA give you more gym and practice time when it seems that most CHL teams practice everyday and when your not in school you can spend all day in the gym if you wanted.
I really think it might be beneficial if the CHL was ok with 19 year olds playing in the AHL. Like I said maybe you cap it at 20 games or so. I say that because if your a really high ranked prospect and one of the benefits you believe in NCAA is playing against older players, maybe knowing that you can play a good chunk of games in the AHL in your 19 year old season might satisfy the need for playing against older players. Maybe the CHL team and can work it out where the player goes for weekends at a time when the CHL team is on a road trip. That way the home fans still gets to see him.
I'd like to see the list of players leaving for the NCAA sorted by the team they are leaving from. Not interested in the guys already committed, coming to the CHL, and then leaving.. just the ones who have made their minds up after playing in the CHL first. From there I'd want to know the teams that have the most leaving.. what is there organization like? Are most of the players jumping from poorly run teams?
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