CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[Hockeyville USA]

UMass isn't quite the very top tier of the NCAA, but they have some very recent titles. And I think Carvel does a better job with developing defenseman than arguably anyone. So if I were a defenseman, like Taillefer, UMass would be one of my top choices.

UMass also in relative close proximity to Taillefer's hometown, basically 4.5 hours away. In regards to Lottin, Nebraska Omaha has recruited a ton of Quebecois lately, so that might be more a pipeline type of commit.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

Is there anything binding them to playing in the CHL for four years? If not, then I'm not sure we should be taking it as a given that they "will play" in the CHL beyond the point when they're eligible to move to the NCAA. If these kids were previously willing to forego the CHL altogether to play in the NCAA if it meant one or the other, then it would be reasonable to conclude that the NCAA is a priority for them as compared to the CHL. The fact is that they can't play NCAA now but can play in the CHL, but they will be able to play in the NCAA within a couple of years. We don't know what will happen at that point.

Nothing is binding them but they've both committed to the CHL for 4 years and their respective NCAA choice for 2028-2029. It's just their plan for now.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

At this point nobody important has done anything. Rumors and all are nice, but to get anything moving either way we need something that moves the needle. So far nothing.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

At this point nobody important has done anything. Rumors and all are nice, but to get anything moving either way we need something that moves the needle. So far nothing.

Define important?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Define important?

A player who is likely to play in the NHL.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

A player who is likely to play in the NHL.

A player likely to make it to the NHL won't go to the NCAA after the CHL, makes very little sense.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

A player likely to make it to the NHL won't go to the NCAA after the CHL, makes very little sense.

I don't know if that's necessarily true.

There will likely be some players at some point that are likely going to go to the NHL that either move from the USHL to the CHL or move from the CHL to the NCAA.

If for instance the Misa to NCAA for next year rumors happen, that's an example of a future NHL player who will go CHL to NCAA to NHL.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

A player likely to make it to the NHL won't go to the NCAA after the CHL, makes very little sense.

Ryan Roobroeck (late 2007) could be interested in going to the NCAA for his draft year if he believes he's outgrown the O.

 

[Bonin21]

Oliver Tulk, wisconsin

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Ryan Roobroeck (late 2007) could be interested in going to the NCAA for his draft year if he believes he's outgrown the O.

Well, if they leave at 18, it does make more sense. But no top prospect will go to the NCAA at 20.

 

[wetcoast]

In 20 years, about 70 % of NHL players will have a father or uncle that played in the NHL previously because those will be the only ones that are able and willing to pay the absurd prices for elite youth hockey.

This seems outrageously high.

 

[Bonin21]

Well, if they leave at 18, it does make more sense. But no top prospect will go to the NCAA at 20.

And no top top prospects stick in the NCAA past 20 either. Some top 19 year olds will go to the NCAA for a year. Then some 18 year olds...

 

[hockeyGod]

The new rules will be interesting to see how they unfold. The ball is in the NHL’s court as to how they want to proceed with CHL players & their AHL eligibility.

If things stay status quo, the big choice 1st round picks are going to have to make is do they forgo signing an ELC in their D+1 & move up to NCAA. They will likely have to stay there for 2 seasons.

I feel the NHL will also have to level the playing field for how long NHL teams retain rights to North American League prospects. All of this has made these finer details more convoluted for sure. Unless I’m missing something.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

The new rules will be interesting to see how they unfold. The ball is in the NHL’s court as to how they want to proceed with CHL players & their AHL eligibility.

If things stay status quo, the big choice 1st round picks are going to have to make is do they forgo signing an ELC in their D+1 & move up to NCAA. They will likely have to stay there for 2 seasons.

I feel the NHL will also have to level the playing field for how long NHL teams retain rights to North American League prospects. All of this has made these finer details more convoluted for sure. Unless I’m missing something.

The solution is 4 year rights holding period for all prospects that aren't coming out of Russia, where the rights holding period is still "indefinite".

 

[Bonin21]

. They will likely have to stay there for 2 seasons.

Why?

 

[lawrence]

NCAA is awesome. this is great for CHL players.

 

[hockeyGod]

Why?

Might just my interpretation on the current AHL eligibility rules. But a lot of D+2 CHL draftees are not eligible for the AHL still. Look at Dumais, Musty, Savoie, etc.

I do feel this change is going to force the NHL to change the AHL eligibility for prospects. They’ve propped up the CHL for ages with this 4 years in the CHL rule for years.

 

[landy92mack29]

The ahl is a terrible place for a teenager to develop over a full year. Getting a taste of pro hockey for a month or so is good but a full year would just stunt players overall.

 

[hockeyGod]

The ahl is a terrible place for a teenager to develop over a full year. Getting a taste of pro hockey for a month or so is good but a full year would just stunt players overall.

That’s a good take. The CHL to NCAA to NHL/AHL path is almost the perfect path for most

 

[Bonin21]

Might just my interpretation on the current AHL eligibility rules. But a lot of D+2 CHL draftees are not eligible for the AHL still. Look at Dumais, Musty, Savoie, etc.

I do feel this change is going to force the NHL to change the AHL eligibility for prospects. They’ve propped up the CHL for ages with this 4 years in the CHL rule for years.

If they go NCAA they might as well let them go to the AHL if they want like all the other college players that sign ELC out of NCAA. In fact I figured that's how the rules will be interpreted.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Some 19 year olds are ready for the AHL, most would benefit from college for a year or two. The ones not ready for either are the longshots to have lucrative pro hockey careers. Best system has all options on the table so individual players can do what's best for them, and not some protectionist and overly paternalistic policy.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Jonathan Fauchon (2004, QMJHL, Rimouski Oceanic) to Providence. High scoring forward in the Q.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Jonathan Fauchon (2004, QMJHL, Rimouski Oceanic) to Providence. High scoring forward in the Q.

Makes sense, ages out of the Q, and was never drafted.

 

[Corso]

The ahl is a terrible place for a teenager to develop over a full year. Getting a taste of pro hockey for a month or so is good but a full year would just stunt players overall.

There are probably around a dozen or so 19 year old players that are ready to play and develop for a full season in the AHL. There are less than half a dozen 18 year old players who can do the same. A hybrid model that the CHL is proposing is probably the best way forward for most players.

Jonathan Fauchon (2004, QMJHL, Rimouski Oceanic) to Providence. High scoring forward in the Q.

U-Sports will most certainly have to change their recruiting practices.

 

[hockeyGod]

There are probably around a dozen or so 19 year old players that are ready to play and develop for a full season in the AHL. There are less than half a dozen 18 year old players who can do the same. A hybrid model that the CHL is proposing is probably the best way forward for most players.


U-Sports will most certainly have to change their recruiting practices.

What is this hybrid model? I haven’t seen what they proposed.