CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

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100% agree.


The large majority of NCAA programs are going to want 20 and 21 YO players because that is the type of players they are recruiting now. The real battles are going to be between the Michgians and B.U.s and the various CHL clubs vying for the really elite talent. As mentioned, the CHL will encourage many of those players to sign ELC's but they will also want to give them ample ice time by running the PP and on the PK. and making the CHL older may hamper that ice time availability.
Many have pointed out that the undersized skill guys who aren't elite but put up good numbers in the CHL (think Ryan Abraham of the Windsor Spitfires or Antonin Verreault of the Rouyn Noranda Huskies) will now go into the NCAA and really be able to help the depth of almost any team, but especially the mid to lower tier programs who don't get many good recruits usually.
 
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The large majority of NCAA programs are going to want 20 and 21 YO players because that is the type of players they are recruiting now. The real battles are going to be between the Michgians and B.U.s and the various CHL clubs vying for the really elite talent. As mentioned, the CHL will encourage many of those players to sign ELC's but they will also want to give them ample ice time by running the PP and on the PK. and making the CHL older may hamper that ice time availability.
I don't think that a few extra 20YO's on each roster would take away time from elite 16YO's; the guys who would be affected, either through less ice time or having to wait another year to land on a roster, aren't going to be fast-tracked to higher levels anyway. A lot of them would become those 20YO CHLers who could use the extra year of development before moving up. And anything that improves the overall calibre of play might help to encourage a few guys who are considering moving to D1 to stay in CHL.

There's going to be an adjustment throughout the junior levels with this change. D1 is going to get stronger and it's going to get older in terms of its median entry age, especially for the mid-tier and lower-tier recruits. Probably AHL standards of entry will increase a bit. I think CHL should accept the new reality and adapt to take advantage of the situation rather than just holding to old ways.
 

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I don't think that a few extra 20YO's on each roster would take away time from elite 16YO's; the guys who would be affected, either through less ice time or having to wait another year to land on a roster, aren't going to be fast-tracked to higher levels anyway. A lot of them would become those 20YO CHLers who could use the extra year of development before moving up. And anything that improves the overall calibre of play might help to encourage a few guys who are considering moving to D1 to stay in CHL.

There's going to be an adjustment throughout the junior levels with this change. D1 is going to get stronger and it's going to get older in terms of its median entry age, especially for the mid-tier and lower-tier recruits. Probably AHL standards of entry will increase a bit. I think CHL should accept the new reality and adapt to take advantage of the situation rather than just holding to old ways.
I hope the CHL Junior ranks gets rid of the overager and just develops 16-19 yr olds
 
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jtechkid

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I think about huge % of kids are leaving bchl are heading to the Q- which makes sense because that’s where they are from and they you got language thing too .
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised to see BCHL top scorer Jeremy Loranger end up in Shawinigan by the end of 2024. He comes from Trois-Rivières which is a 30 minutes drive from Shawinigan.
 

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Wenatchee Wild GM Bliss Littler just said a couple of BCHL kids have joined their squad now. Lukas McCloskey from the Vernon Vipers, and another name I missed.

BCHL losing a lot of kids right now but the info is hard to track.

The trickle-down effect is liable to the Vancouver Island Junior B League too. They affiliated with the BCHL so the BCHL will be bringing players up to replace who they’re losing but where does the VIJHL get replacements from?
 

jtechkid

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I wouldn’t be surprised to see BCHL top scorer Jeremy Loranger end up in Shawinigan by the end of 2024. He comes from Trois-Rivières which is a 30 minutes drive from Shawinigan.
I think big question everybody forgets is these kids need to play at their age . if your 17 would rather be in bchl playing 19 min first power play or play third line 8 min a night zero pp in chl .lorranger plays first line and first pp for sherwood park which basically put him on the map with that opportunity . sherwood park might look like bchl in the future , most of the team is high end young kids playing and developing . however , your right im sure he is feeling pressure to go home .
 

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I think big question everybody forgets is these kids need to play at their age . if your 17 would rather be in bchl playing 19 min first power play or play third line 8 min a night zero pp in chl .lorranger plays first line and first pp for sherwood park which basically put him on the map with that opportunity . sherwood park might look like bchl in the future , most of the team is high end young kids playing and developing . however , your right im sure he is feeling pressure to go home .
3rd line in the CHL is definitely worth more than first line in the BCHL.

Also if he defects, Shawinigan isn't going to limit him to 8 minutes a night.
 

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I think big question everybody forgets is these kids need to play at their age . if your 17 would rather be in bchl playing 19 min first power play or play third line 8 min a night zero pp in chl .lorranger plays first line and first pp for sherwood park which basically put him on the map with that opportunity . sherwood park might look like bchl in the future , most of the team is high end young kids playing and developing . however , your right im sure he is feeling pressure to go home .
It's not that hard to get ice time in QMJHL which is why a lot of these BCHL kids are Quebecois-born players going (back) to their home province. Look around the last couple drafts, it's not a league deep with NHL caliber talent, a high scoring BCHLer college bound 19 year old has a much better shot at getting premium ice time in the Q than an equivalent for the OHL and WHL.

I agree going 1st line BCHL to 3rd line WHL would be a questionable move, but I don't think that's what is happening with the kids going to the Q. If the Q isn't going to produce many guys that are going to be ready for NHL or even AHL hockey right off the jump, becoming an NCAA Feeder league is a great development to not lose kids during junior ages south and west.
 

jtechkid

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thx for the updates on the Q - this might be a dumb question? lol - would guess lot of the kids speak french so how are they going to ncaa American colleges ?
 
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According to QuantHockey's database, the NCAA in 2024-25 is 61% US, 29% Canadian in terms of the player makeup. Really interested to see what those percentages are in a couple years.
 

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According to QuantHockey's database, the NCAA in 2024-25 is 61% US, 29% Canadian in terms of the player makeup. Really interested to see what those percentages are in a couple years.
Hard to say because a downstream thing occurring is going to see a fairly equal number of American/Canadian boys at the minor hockey levels. Still a few years away from when that is going to hit the most direct Junior Hockey Feeders and then Junior Hockey Leagues of which there is still a disproportionate number located in Canada.. and what that is going to look like. Interesting the various predictions of the USHL essentially folding or becoming an irrelevant at a time when based on minor hockey numbers, in a few years away at least under the old ways, the USNTDP should really be giving away to an equitable spread of American Hockey Talent and USHL should have been looking to expand/grow with Eastern and Western outposts. But it's tough, the junior hockey culture just isn't ever going to be like in Canada as American amateur sports in all areas has always been so NCAA-centric.
 
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Hard to say because a downstream thing occurring is going to see a fairly equal number of American/Canadian boys at the minor hockey levels. Still a few years away from when that is going to hit the most direct Junior Hockey Feeders and then Junior Hockey Leagues of which there is still a disproportionate number located in Canada.. and what that is going to look like. Interesting the various predictions of the USHL essentially folding or becoming an irrelevant at a time when based on minor hockey numbers, in a few years away at least under the old ways, the USNTDP should really be giving away to an equitable spread of American Hockey Talent and USHL should have been looking to expand/grow with Eastern and Western outposts. But it's tough, the junior hockey culture just isn't ever going to be like in Canada as American amateur sports in all areas has always been so NCAA-centric.
This is also become more pronounced in how many US players have Canadian dads who played in the NHL or NCAA & decided to stay in the States. Dylan Duke, Gavin Brindley, Lane Hutson, Cutter Gauthier, Gabe Perreault, Rutger McGroarty, Sean Behrens, Brendan Brisson, Jake Sanderson, and plenty more have Canadian dads but play for the States internationally and count for the US in the player representation numbers.
 

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Can the CHL scholarship program be applied to American schools? Or is it limited to only Canadian schools?

If it applies to American schools it would sway a kid who may only get a 2 for 4 scholarship from NCAA, or may even help a kid go play for a D3 school since no athletic scholarships are given at that level.
 

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