CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[jtechkid]

As of now, expect to see the top U.S. born prospects continue to follow the NTDP to the NCAA route. Expect most of the next tier to continue choosing the USHL-NCAA route, with a few notable ones beginning to choose the CHL route. The biggest immediate change will be a sharp reduction in the number of high-end Canadians opting for the USHL/BCHL to NCAA route.

I would venture to guess that in time the CHL will begin to offer modified standard agreement contracts that includes an opt out to play NCAA hockey before the age of 20 in order to lure more of the very best U.S. born talent.

that’s exactly my thinking on it -

 

[WarriorofTime]

Would be a great time to segue into allowing 1st round picks to play in the AHL at 19 as well.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Would be a great time to segue into allowing 1st round picks to play in the AHL at 19 as well.

CHL won't do that unless they get significant transfer fees from NHL teams to offset the loss of that player. You'd hope a few more US guys coming up to play in the CHL will improve the quality of the league because the CHL as a whole has gotten watered down/weaker lately.

Potential to bump up the import limit to 3 if you change the AHL age in order to offset talent losses.

 

[WarriorofTime]

CHL won't do that unless they get significant transfer fees from NHL teams to offset the loss of that player. You'd hope a few more US guys coming up to play in the CHL will improve the quality of the league because the CHL as a whole has gotten watered down/weaker lately.

Potential to bump up the import limit to 3 if you change the AHL age in order to offset talent losses.

The transfer fee could just mirror the fee they get when the nhl team keeps a teenager on the nhl roster.

 

[Leviathan899]

This is only for aged 20+ players thus far. Those are generally non nhl prospects or long shot undrafted players. You’ll likely see a good amount of players still opting for the ushl in order to be eligible to play in ncaa by age 18. The ushl proper is already producing more draft picks than the QMJHL these days.

I would not expect the USNTDP to be impacted at all. The biggest impact is likely on Canadian Junior A which is pretty cooked at this point.

Should be good for NHL teams to place their 3-7 round picks and free agent signings in the NCAA. Or you can’t actually play with a pro deal, so no FA signings can go. But better for a 20 year old mid to late round pick go to a NCAA program for a couple of seasons rather than depth player in the AHL or ECHL.

plus already had two Ushl tenders leave this year . morin( youngstown) - sawchyn( steel ) leave already and was rumor i hear that Michigan told top 2008 canada kid play CHL instead of ushl - so it’s heating up

Nyman or Valentini?

 

[Bubbles]

Looks like nothing announced today. Heard earliest would be Wednesday, probably something will be concrete by Friday night.

 

[Leviathan899]

Pretty sure at this point the change will only help the CHL guys not getting pro contracts that age out of the league and can go play NCAA at age 20 or 21.

What you are suggesting might happen, but likely years in the future.

Yeah rather than toiling in the ECHL or playing depth minutes in the AHL with limited puck touches, go to the NCAA rather than CIS hockey. Way too many good players never really develop after junior as they see limited AHL action or live the greasy pro life of the Coast, hard to develop down there.

 

[Corso]

CHL won't do that unless they get significant transfer fees from NHL teams to offset the loss of that player. You'd hope a few more US guys coming up to play in the CHL will improve the quality of the league because the CHL as a whole has gotten watered down/weaker lately.

Potential to bump up the import limit to 3 if you change the AHL age in order to offset talent losses.

Apparently the CHL and the NHL are in low key discussions as to how to modify the transfer agreement. The CHL is looking at a European style model where players are loaned out to the AHL for a set number of games. The idea is to have all junior aged players back by a specific date.

The NHL is also seriously considering changing the draft. Some have said they may reduce it to a 4-round draft, others say the most likely scenario is a hybrid type draft featuring 18 and 20 year old players. So, the first two rounds would exclusively be for 18-year-olds while the rest (4, 6??) of the rounds would be 20-year-old players.

The prospect landscape is in the midst of profound changes.

 

[jtechkid]

Apparently the CHL and the NHL are in low key discussions as to how to modify the transfer agreement. The CHL is looking at a European style model where players are loaned out to the AHL for a set number of games. The idea is to have all junior aged players back by a specific date.

The NHL is also seriously considering changing the draft. Some have said they may reduce it to a 4-round draft, others say the most likely scenario is a hybrid type draft featuring 18 and 20 year old players. So, the first two rounds would exclusively be for 18-year-olds while the rest (4, 6??) of the rounds would be 20-year-old players.

The prospect landscape is in the midst of profound changes.

yea i’ve heard players association wants exactly what you regarding hybrid draft and it really makes sense too -

 

[Corso]

I don't necessarily agree with everything in this article but it is very well thought out......https://neutralzone.com/2024/10/08/free-article-chl-players-in-the-ncaa-and-the-impact-on-hockey/

 

[Breakers]

I don't necessarily agree with everything in this article but it is very well thought out......https://neutralzone.com/2024/10/08/free-article-chl-players-in-the-ncaa-and-the-impact-on-hockey/

decent article
writer still has no idea about NIL and being canadian and active vs passive

 

[Bubbles]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843790965687128282

The Division I Council on Tuesday introduced a proposal to change rules for preenrollment activities in men's ice hockey and skiing, which would enable prospects who participate in major junior ice hockey or on professional teams to retain NCAA eligibility as long as they are not paid more than actual and necessary expenses as part of that participation.



Now I'm just as confused as ever. Doesn't mention 20+ players.

 

[Corso]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843790965687128282

The Division I Council on Tuesday introduced a proposal to change rules for preenrollment activities in men's ice hockey and skiing, which would enable prospects who participate in major junior ice hockey or on professional teams to retain NCAA eligibility as long as they are not paid more than actual and necessary expenses as part of that participation.



Now I'm just as confused as ever. Doesn't mention 20+ players.

No and it never was going to. This is about making all CHL players eligible just as all USHL players are. There never was going to be an age requirement.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Brad Schlossman talks about this in depth on the UND Hockey Podcast. He alluded to the possibility that the CHL Standard Player Agreement might be ripped up and changed entirely because there is the solid chance that CHL teams restricting their players from leaving to go to university until a certain age won't be allowed if taken to court.

So we'll see how long the CHL can keep players in the O, the Dub, and the Q before heading off to the NCAA, could have even more court proceedings.

 

[Corso]

Brad Schlossman talks about this in depth on the UND Hockey Podcast. He alluded to the possibility that the CHL Standard Player Agreement might be ripped up and changed entirely because there is the solid chance that CHL teams restricting their players from leaving to go to university until a certain age won't be allowed if taken to court.

So we'll see how long the CHL can keep players in the O, the Dub, and the Q before heading off to the NCAA, could have even more court proceedings.

No question the standard players agreement will change, in time, to allow for opt outs in order to enter the NCAA as an 18-year-old freshman if feasible and desired but, and this is a BIG BUT, freshman under the age of 20 constitute less than 25% of an incoming class and true freshman (18years) represent less than 8%. The reality is that the vast majority of freshman are 20 or older. So, the notion that the CHL is worried about losing all its 18- and 19-year-old players is simply wrong.

The battle will be for the very elite 18–19-year-olds (as it is now) and while I believe that while for now the top U.S. born talent will continue to choose the NCAA, in time that may change. The CHL will encourage those players (and we can confidently assume that more high-end U.S. born players will begin to filter into the CHL) to sign E.L.C. thus making them ineligible for NCAA hockey. This is why that programs like B.U., Michigan. Minny were so against allowing CHL players to be eligible for college hockey.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

No question the standard players agreement will change, in time, to allow for opt outs in order to enter the NCAA as an 18-year-old freshman if feasible and desired but, and this is a BIG BUT, freshman under the age of 20 constitute less than 25% of an incoming class and true freshman (18years) represent less than 8%. The reality is that the vast majority of freshman are 20 or older. So, the notion that the CHL is worried about losing all its 18- and 19-year-old players is simply wrong.

The battle will be for the very elite 18–19-year-olds (as it is now) and while I believe that while for now the top U.S. born talent will continue to choose the NCAA, in time that may change. The CHL will encourage those players (and we can confidently assume that more high-end U.S. born players will begin to filter into the CHL) to sign E.L.C. thus making them ineligible for NCAA hockey. This is why that programs like B.U., Michigan. Minny were so against allowing CHL players to be eligible for college hockey.

100%. Reminds me of MLB Draft Picks weighing the decision of signing and having to grind through minor pro, or just going to the NCAA if the bonus money isn't much or they just prefer the longer development curve in the NCAA.

 

[Corso]

100%. Reminds me of MLB Draft Picks weighing the decision of signing and having to grind through minor pro, or just going to the NCAA if the bonus money isn't

much or they just prefer the longer development curve in the NCAA.

Absolutely. Why play in the ECHL or bottom pair 3rd/4th line in the AHL at 20 or 21 when you can extend your development time in college but for those elite players who are ready, they will simply sign and forgo the college route all together.

 

[Bonin21]

A lot of college hockey fans seem to be thinking the super high end CHL players might end up in the NCAA. Not going to happen.

Just going to be unsigned guys that wrap up their 20ish year season with nothing more to prove in the CHL and ready for the step up in competition, the college life, and don't want to ride the bus.

Those older guys probably help the overall play of the CHL, so I think the level of play in the CHL could be hurt. The level of play in the NCAA will rise slightly. The level of play in the USHL will fall slightly.

Like this guy would be heading to a college campus as a 21 year old rather than the ECHL.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/485361/gabe-klassen

 

[jtechkid]

No question the standard players agreement will change, in time, to allow for opt outs in order to enter the NCAA as an 18-year-old freshman if feasible and desired but, and this is a BIG BUT, freshman under the age of 20 constitute less than 25% of an incoming class and true freshman (18years) represent less than 8%. The reality is that the vast majority of freshman are 20 or older. So, the notion that the CHL is worried about losing all its 18- and 19-year-old players is simply wrong.

The battle will be for the very elite 18–19-year-olds (as it is now) and while I believe that while for now the top U.S. born talent will continue to choose the NCAA, in time that may change. The CHL will encourage those players (and we can confidently assume that more high-end U.S. born players will begin to filter into the CHL) to sign E.L.C. thus making them ineligible for NCAA hockey. This is why that programs like B.U., Michigan. Minny were so against allowing CHL players to be eligible for college hockey.

“ to sign E.L.C thus making ineligible for ncaa “ can you elaborate what that means or stands for. thank you

 

[Bonin21]

Entry Level Contract

NHL teams have like 50 contracts they have can going at any one time. They can sign their top prospects as one of the 50 while still allowing them to play in the CHL by having their contracts "slide".

 

[cg98]

“ to sign E.L.C thus making ineligible for ncaa “ can you elaborate what that means or stands for. thank you

Entry level contracts that players sign when first going into the NHL. Those are full fledged professional sports league contracts and make them ineligible for NCAA.

 

[STL fan in MN]

“ to sign E.L.C thus making ineligible for ncaa “ can you elaborate what that means or stands for. thank you

This rule change would allow CHL players to play in the NCAA but not those that have signed an NHL contract. So those that wanted to play NCAA and were drafted by an NHL team would still have to wait to sign their NHL ELC.

 

[Kingpin794]

Entry level contracts that players sign when first going into the NHL. Those are full fledged professional sports league contracts and make them ineligible for NCAA.

Yep and most 1st round CHL picks sign their's before their D+1 season. Alot of 2nd's and 3rd's are signed before their D+2. Most of the high end guys are off the board for NCAA before they'd even get regular ice time for an NCAA team.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Yep and most 1st round CHL picks sign their's before their D+1 season. Alot of 2nd's and 3rd's are signed before their D+2. Most of the high end guys are off the board for NCAA before they'd even get regular ice time for an NCAA team.

Unless the norm becomes to tell draft picks to go to college after being drafted to play against older competition before signing an ELC.

 

[Corso]

Yep and most 1st round CHL picks sign their's before their D+1 season. Alot of 2nd's and 3rd's are signed before their D+2. Most of the high end guys are off the board for NCAA before they'd even get regular ice time for an NCAA team.

And the standard practice for the CHL will be to get those players to sign E.L.C. ASAP in order to void college eligibility.

NCAA would have to really encourage many of those players to accelerate and enter school as 17-year-olds.

I'm sure they are working on Landon Dupont as we speak (write).