Kingpin794
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Want me go to NCAA and not sign me? Cool. I'll go long enough you lose my rights. Become a FA. I doubt most NHL teams want that hassle.
CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !
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landy92mack29
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yup teams are already dealing with the NCAA babies who want everything handed to them and not earning their spot. Plus will see if the 2 year rights for chlers gets changed to 4 like NCAA+Europe
WarriorofTime
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Well yes the cba reserve clause will impact things. There’s a lot of balls up in the air.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I think if the rules change then you’ll see less players sign ELC’s earlier. If you would seriously consider college, why would you sign a pre-agreement that quite literally takes away all your leverage? All their agents will advise them to not sign early.
EH7
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Not saying this is the only reason - but you do realize that players receive signing bonuses with their ELCs, right? $95K each year for three years isn't nothing when you're 18/19. Career ending injury while waiting to sign your ELC, or start underperforming a little and that money is gone.
By signing your ELC, you also get support from development coaches and can access other team resources even while you are playing junior.
BuiumSaveUs
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The biggest change to the development model in a long long time imo. It’s easy to see that the real benefactor of this is going to be the NCAA and the leagues that are going to be hurt are the USHL, and to a lesser extent the CHL. The CHL will likely have more top talent, but for less time as top draft picks opt to leave the CHL for better quality of play in the NCAA.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
But they can collect the signing bonus for their ELC when they’re ready to start their pro hockey career. Unless your family lives in poverty (not many hockey families), that a player would need a signing bonus right away isn’t very likely. And most players don’t think in the way you’re suggesting about the low probability of a career ending injury and the need to immediately get the most money available. Otherwise, why would any of them play CHL/NCAA over somewhere in Europe. Of course, the players that wouldn’t consider NCAA will sign, but the players who will have no reason to sign their ELC so early.
NHL rights will be top of the agenda. I can see it changing to a universal timeframe for all players. We can also expect to see changes to the NHL draft as well. Will it be four rounds? Will it be split between 18 year and 20-year-olds?
One thing I do know about the NHL is they like to have a direct hand in how their prospects are developed.
Players dead set on the college experience will hold off on signing early but it's not a stretch to think that most players will sign at the first opportunity to do so, especially if they are playing in a league that encourages them to do so.
The NHL-CHL agreement will change and from what I hear, it will allow current under- agers the opportunity to play at least part of the season in the AHL. So, say you are a 1st or even 2nd round pick and your CHL is telling you, why go play in the NCAA when you can play just as many games as you would in college against even better competition, all the while collecting your signing bonus. You could see the appeal, no?
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Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I think it is a stretch. Unless you are dead set against the NCAA, it takes away all your leverage, including in negotiating the terms of your ELC.
Why would they care what the CHL head office thinks? Do NHL players take stock of what Bettman and Daly think before they sign their contracts?
Let's be honest, the vast majority of players want to play in the NHL as soon as they are able to. You can use the NCAA as leverage but there is also an opportunity cost in doing so.
BadgerBruce
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Maybe yes, maybe no.
The part of the NCAA press release nobody is quoting in this thread states: “Additional topics for consideration in future meetings will include postenrollment involvement with professional teams or events.”
Also, my feeling here is that the CHL is less worried about their players gaining NCAA eligibility in the abstract, and FAR more worried about the bucks they’ll need to shell out if more guys use their league-funded scholarships. Remember, though the dollar value of each individual CHL scholarship is dictated by the domicile rule, the scholarship itself can be used at nearly any post-secondary institution in the world, including in the U.S.
I can see a situation in the future where a kid leaves a CHL program early to go NCAA and, to add insult to injury, receives league scholarship coin he’s earned to help facilitate the move.
Fun times.
EH7
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I'm not saying that the NEED it. But I can speak from experience that many Mooseheads over the years that have signed their ELCs while playing in Halifax were definitely ENJOYING their signing bonuses (along with other perks I mentioned).
There is active discussion to grant players the ability to play in professional sports leagues in between academic years. The hinderance to such a move, however, would not really come from the NCAA but from the various unions representing players in pro leagues. I highly doubt that the union representing AHL players would want college players taking up roster spots and costing the owners of the team virtually nothing other than day to day living expenses.
It will be very interesting as to what the CHL will do in terms of offering scholarship packages to players going the NCAA route.
This was unexpected.....it seems that the thought of high end Canadian talent spurning the USHL because of the recent changes is correct.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I think that’s a lot of assuming.
I don’t know what actual indication there is that this kid leaving is about the CHL/NCAA landscape as opposed to him.
I don’t know what actual indication there is that this kid leaving is about the CHL/NCAA landscape as opposed to him.
We shall see but it does appear to be shaking out that way......
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Okay, good for him. I don't think though that this random 16 year old kid is "an insider" to the details of this whole impending change that all the people on a message board like this that follow closely can't seem to agree on.
Whether he wants to eventually attend Michigan, it would seem pretty illogical that he heard about some impending change (with few actual details), and decided that whatever the change amounted to would benefit him, so he was going to make decisions based on it.
I think the kid is leaving SF's because he didn't like it there or didn't like his minutes and he thinks WHL is the best place for him. I think a lot of people are assuming that there are ramifications beyond that.
It very well could be he did not like Sioux Falls and prior to the upcoming rule changes, he most likely would have gone back to the BCHL to maintain eligibility. The fact that he did not and decided on the WHL instead would, at the very least, imply that the impeding CHL eligibility change played a large factor in his decision.
Perhaps you doubt that the NCAA will change the rules, rest assured that your doubt is misplaced.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I think we have to divorce two things.
Could this guy have decided he was going to make a decision based on the idea of some impending change? Yes.
Does that mean anything about what the change will be? I have a very hard time believing that.
I can grant you that maybe this guy is poorly advised and he’s going to jump without knowing exactly what he’s jumping to.
I will give him more credit than that and say the decision is likely for other reasons or more nuanced, but no I just cannot believe that this random player’s decision is the key to unlock a safe that hasn’t even been set yet.
Yeah the fact the kid is still maintaining his Michigan commitment while signing in the WHL does flat out show it’s because of this new rule, otherwise it wouldn’t have been possible. I like Pavel’s posts quite often but sometimes he’s a huge USA Hockey fan boy, and doesn’t like to see any move which benefits the CHL or hockey in Canada.
Exactly, it is hard to believe he would give up a commitment to Michigan based on four games played in the USHL. I highly doubt he would have signed a WHL contract were it not for the rule change.
I'm going to go ahead and trust that this means he can still play at Michigan at his planned time (and has likely been talking to the Michigan staff and the WHL staff) more than randos like us on a message board guessing.
Andy Dufresne
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While we're guessing though, i'm going to go ahead and guess that his dad had something to do with it. Mark Kosick may have been a pretty unknown player, but he was a pro, which means he had an agent. He's also a somewhat high level coach, so i'd guess he has lots of contacts within hockey circles.
What I am curious about is what his whl contract means as far as Michigan commit. Does he have to stay in the dub through his 19 yr old season? Is there some sort of out clause? What does this mean for every other whl player who might want to jump to the NCAA before they age out of the chl? Going to be interesting to see how this all plays out.
What I am curious about is what his whl contract means as far as Michigan commit. Does he have to stay in the dub through his 19 yr old season? Is there some sort of out clause? What does this mean for every other whl player who might want to jump to the NCAA before they age out of the chl? Going to be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I'm a fan boy because I'm waiting for any actual proof.
But assuming some random 16 year old hockey player has all the keys to the safe combination and we just gotta "trust him bro" that he knows what he's doing without actually having any actual proof that he does know more than literally everyone else or that he made this decision for this reason as opposed to another reason.
Makes total sense. Great argument. Has tons of logic to it.
Speaking of fanboys, I don't think the "fanboying" here is from me. Fanboys make arguments with no logic to it other than their particular fandom.
But assuming some random 16 year old hockey player has all the keys to the safe combination and we just gotta "trust him bro" that he knows what he's doing without actually having any actual proof that he does know more than literally everyone else or that he made this decision for this reason as opposed to another reason.
Makes total sense. Great argument. Has tons of logic to it.
Speaking of fanboys, I don't think the "fanboying" here is from me. Fanboys make arguments with no logic to it other than their particular fandom.
He still has close ties to the program (he is a UofM alum) and he obviously has a huge influence on his son's decision. As I said previously, this signing was totally unexpected and from all the chatter out there, Noah Kosick intends to honor his commitment to Michigan. The question, of course is when?
