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Blackhawkswincup said:
Morgan Frost fits bill

Appears to be back in Torts doghouse and struggling to start year

What would Flyers needs be? And what is fair value from Hawks for a guy who has shown potential but still struggles with consistency?

Acquiring Frost would improve Hawks C situation and make it so we dont have to rush Nazer into role
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Flyers are looking to add a top-6 center themselves. The have zero depth at C, that's why they currently carry Jett Luchanko on their roster.
 
Zegs2sendhelp said:
I actually think part of the issue is Anaheim is trying to play him as a winger…. He’s much more comfortable/better at center.

As a center he has b2b 60+ point seasons(on a very terrible team) which is right on par with a 2c…. Issue is Anaheim for whatever reason refuses to play him there.
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He lacks the size/strength and commitment to play the defensive zone as a center needs to is why. No doubt with the puck on his stick he is more dangerous down the middle of the ice, but that is a fraction of time he has the puck like that. Can't rely on him the rest.
 
Blackhawkswincup said:
Morgan Frost fits bill

Appears to be back in Torts doghouse and struggling to start year

What would Flyers needs be? And what is fair value from Hawks for a guy who has shown potential but still struggles with consistency?

Acquiring Frost would improve Hawks C situation and make it so we dont have to rush Nazer into role

Bedard
Frost
Nazer
Dickinson

Down middle at some point this season/next year could be nice for Hawks



Its getting tired at this point your routine

Davidson just drafted Boisvert and was downright giddy he was there when Hawks drafted him. He is not trading him months after
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That center line up would absolutely get destroyed by other teams lol. Bunch of weak, soft defensively poor centers for your top 3 Cs.
 
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HockeyVirus said:
He lacks the size/strength and commitment to play the defensive zone as a center needs to is why. No doubt with the puck on his stick he is more dangerous down the middle of the ice, but that is a fraction of time he has the puck like that. Can't rely on him the rest.
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So you want a 2C who can produce offensively, has size/strength, and is defensively committed? And who is young? In other words, the absolutely ideal 2nd line center?

No one's giving you that without you giving up something you really don't want to. Rebuilding teams won't, that's someone they build around. Playoff teams could use the cheap productive player too.
 
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Stephen said:
Could have just held onto a Kirby Dach instead of trading him at 21, but what do I know.
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If the Hawks traded Frank Nazar (player they picked with the selection they traded Dach for) for a Kirby Dach level player tomorrow, I'd be pretty unhappy with that.
 
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FiveTacos said:
So you want a 2C who can produce offensively, has size/strength, and is defensively committed? And who is young? In other words, the absolutely ideal 2nd line center?

No one's giving you that without you giving up something you really don't want to. Rebuilding teams won't, that's someone they build around. Playoff teams could use the cheap productive player too.
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Young doesn't mean 22. It can be 25/26 range or around there. Someone who can be helpful at least partially through your window.
 
HockeyVirus said:
Young doesn't mean 22. It can be 25/26 range or around there. Someone who can be helpful at least partially through your window.
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That's still someone not likely to be easy to acquire. That's almost the ideal age range to where both rebuilding and contending teams would be happy to have him. Good enough to help a playoff team win now without adding too much salary, young enough for a rebuilding team to potentially keep around as they get better. That's gonna be an expensive acquisition, because a hell of a lot of teams would want to be in on that type of player.

The more realistic options are younger guys who you think still have that potential (but who have some issues or else they wouldn't be available), or a temporary fix type (older guy or overpaid type).
 
HockeyVirus said:
Young doesn't mean 22. It can be 25/26 range or around there. Someone who can be helpful at least partially through your window.
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The typical age players hits ufa is 27/28 at the earliest. So at 25/26 the team still has 2/3 more years of team control. There would have to be a legit reason to move them. Be it a cap crunch or for an upgrade in another position.
 
StreetHawk said:
The typical age players hits ufa is 27/28 at the earliest. So at 25/26 the team still has 2/3 more years of team control. There would have to be a legit reason to move them. Be it a cap crunch or for an upgrade in another position.
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Well for a team like the Hawks the cap space is not an issue. That would be the main reason a team might trade a player like that in that range, they know they can't afford to keep them. Hawks get a guy, pay him a premium, and hope he gives you a solid 6-7 years of the 8 and by the time the decline starts, the cap is so high he will fit in well as a 3C
 
StreetHawk said:
The typical age players hits ufa is 27/28 at the earliest. So at 25/26 the team still has 2/3 more years of team control. There would have to be a legit reason to move them. Be it a cap crunch or for an upgrade in another position.
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Chicago can't drop Reichel.
 
HockeyVirus said:
Well for a team like the Hawks the cap space is not an issue. That would be the main reason a team might trade a player like that in that range, they know they can't afford to keep them. Hawks get a guy, pay him a premium, and hope he gives you a solid 6-7 years of the 8 and by the time the decline starts, the cap is so high he will fit in well as a 3C
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Chicago has cap room. But can they find a JT miller type deal that Van got in 2019 for a 1st and 3rd from TB? Is there a team like that which has a cap crunch with the cap now increasing? He was 26 in 2019. And was under contract for 4 more seasons til 2023.
 
Xirik said:
Oliver Kapanen or Owen Beck (Whichever Hab's fans are willing to trade)

for

TJ Brodie + Leafs 1st or Hawks 2nd or Star's 2nd.

Brodie despite being old is a much better then Savard and hopefully would help with Hutsons development.
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gross. Habs' fans are unwilling to trade either for that crappy package
 
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HockeyVirus said:
Well for a team like the Hawks the cap space is not an issue. That would be the main reason a team might trade a player like that in that range, they know they can't afford to keep them. Hawks get a guy, pay him a premium, and hope he gives you a solid 6-7 years of the 8 and by the time the decline starts, the cap is so high he will fit in well as a 3C
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Thing is lots of other teams are in that same position, with cap space and assets, who would also pay a premium for a young-ish 2C. And a contender would also find a guy like that useful for a Cup push.

It would take a very particular set of circumstances for the kind of player you're describing to become available. A do-everything 2C trails only a top pairing D, primary scorer, or stud goalie in the pecking order, most teams will dump just about anything else to make cap room for a guy like that, especially one in their early prime.
 
StreetHawk said:
Chicago has cap room. But can they find a JT miller type deal that Van got in 2019 for a 1st and 3rd from TB? Is there a team like that which has a cap crunch with the cap now increasing? He was 26 in 2019.
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Good question but that is why the GM's make the big bucks to know when one is coming available. You never know when teams like the Blues might go into a rebuild and decide to sell. Just an example but there are always things out there.
 
HockeyVirus said:
Good question but that is why the GM's make the big bucks to know when one is coming available. You never know when teams like the Blues might go into a rebuild and decide to sell. Just an example but there are always things out there.
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Do rebuilding clubs sell 24/25 year olds though? You'd be selling off guys who are already into their UFA stages.
 
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