Lebowski
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Chiarot is underrated. He's a solid #4.
LeBrun: Chiarot likely to be dealt and return a 1st round pick
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burstnbloom
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TheBeastCoast
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We got shutout in game 7 and your point was that Ben Chiarot would have made the difference. Like I really really should not have to explain it anymore then this. But the irony of you talking about anyone having difficulty evaluating players after this from you is hilarious.
Dr Quincy
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And he was a -16 on that Stanley Cup Finals team. Maybe some people realize that a player playing on a good team isn't automatically really good. He's also playing on a really bad team this year, which doesn't make him really bad. Maybe what you can "learn" if you have an open mind is to value the player not just look at how his team did in 1 artificially rigged playoff situation.
What you list as "evidence" may be "evidence". But it doesn't mean it's convincing evidence once you look past the superficial "his team was good so he is good" argument. Because if you use simple metric, I guess that means he's bad this year. I mean... why would you go against the evidence?
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Theodore450
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Barclay goodrow was a bonafide 3rd liner and he got traded for a 1st. I would argue that a top 4 D is more important
Dale Best Goalie
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Odd that you say you got shutout when the Leafs scored one goal. And yet you dispute my connection to reality. Curious.
TheBeastCoast
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It really doesn't change my point though? We couldn't score against the Habs when it mattered last year. Your solution is Ben Chiarot. You just come across like a greasy used car salesmen trying to pawn off your garbage. If you like him so much f***in keep him.Odd that you say you got shutout when the Leafs scored one goal. And yet you dispute my connection to reality. Curious.
The Moose is Loose
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20 point, 8-10 goal, big, mobile dman that can eat big minutes and take tough assignments. Supposedly really good in the room.
Here, that makes him terrible. In the real world he would be a huge add for a team that wants to make a run.
Who knows if he gets a first but he is legit.
Here, that makes him terrible. In the real world he would be a huge add for a team that wants to make a run.
Who knows if he gets a first but he is legit.
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Captain97
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Again he played 25 minutes a game on a cup finals run. GMs will remember that.
Chiarot is a good defenseman and I'm sure he'll return a 1st. I'm not sure he's a guy I would give a 1st for though.
Stephen
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The counter point to that line of reasoning is that's a lot of mileage and wear and tear and Chiarot also doesn't come with Price, Weber, Danault.
Highly doubt it but hopefully he does. Of course, they'll turn around and trade the pick for another future UFA bottom 6er in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs next year anyway. They haven't picked twice in the first round since 2007 and the Dvorak trade informs us unequivocally that it's intentional.
Its not just this last playoff run either, he played top 4 d minutes for the Jets when they went to the ECF. And he has been solid for 3 years in Montreal and is getting better each year. Has 5 goals so far this year.
Anyone that is objective and has watched him play will tell you he is a solid top 4 dman.
Anyone that is objective and has watched him play will tell you he is a solid top 4 dman.
Weak counter. Any team that picks him up will have their own version of those players. He is going to be added as a compliment to an already very good team
Jumptheshark
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That is the asking price. Will be interesting if a team trades a first fir a rental player like this
Stephen
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Or he's just good old Ben Chiarot from his Winnipeg days... if I'm a random team paying a first I'd probably go for Petry even though he's been struggling.
He hasn’t played there in more then 3 years. And good ol Ben was leaned on pretty heavy in that run to the ECF, he was playing more then 20 a game on a team that was deep at D.
And Petry is on a new longish deal. And has forgotten how to play hockey - Ben has been much better then Petry for 40 games.
CristianoRonaldo
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Terming Chiarot as a bottom pairing D isn’t at all accurate
