Confirmed Trade: [CHI/CAR] Scott Darling UFA rights for 2017 3rd rounder

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Seems a little high on a 3rd rounder, but I agree with the common consensus that Carolina should be very attractive for Darling to land a starting role.

Hans, Bubby....It's not that much given how many picks the Canes have.

 

[Nalens Oga]

Chicago should've re-signed him and traded Crawford instead imo, it'll bite them in 2-4 years.

 

[Stickpucker]

I'm cautiously optimistic. This feels a lot like the Khubodin and Lack trades. Promising backup who plays well for a stretch and comes to Carolina to....not do so hot.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think Darling is the best backup in the NHL but I am not sure he's a starter but I look forward to finding out

 

[Vitto79]

No, Ward does not have a NMC, he has a modified NTC. They can expose either one, or both Ward and Lack.

Well they are set then . They have the cap space so darling is getting paid

 

[DaveG]

Seems a little high on a 3rd rounder, but I agree with the common consensus that Carolina should be very attractive for Darling to land a starting role.

I mean, it is, but if he's signed to a contract along the lines of what Talbot got it's an absolute bargain for the Canes if it pays off.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well they are set then . They have the cap space so darling is getting paid

I guess. I'm not convinced Darling is the solution, but hey, beggars can't be choosers and they don't pay me to make these decisions. Still, doing nothing is not an option.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Ok, thank you sir for the answer.

Can I get an example during the past playoffs though? Like give me a trade that happened during the playoffs, I can't remember not one single trade during my 20 year stint as an NHL follower. It's been like a gentlemen's agreement that they don't do that no?

Washington traded the rights to Halak to the Islanders May 1st, 2014.

https://www.nhl.com/news/islanders-acquire-goalie-halak-from-capitals/c-717546

 

[Guardian17]

Interesting move by Carolina.

 

[senor martinez]

Washington traded the rights to Halak to the Islanders May 1st, 2014.

https://www.nhl.com/news/islanders-acquire-goalie-halak-from-capitals/c-717546

THank you. So yeah there has been at least something like this in the past. It's a rarity clearly though. Maybe this vegas year makes it more active. I'ma see to that.

 

[izzy]

Darling is really good. Like really good. I think he has the ability to be a legit starter right now.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

The rights to Vesey (basically), Hamhuis and Bouwmeester all returned 3rd round picks.

Here's an expansive list of trades of this ilk --> https://businessofhockey.wordpress....agents-negotiation-rights-is-worth-the-price/

I'm aware of Vesey.

Seems like I was wrong. But in my defence I will say, 2009/2010 was a long time ago.

 

[Batrous]

A good gamble for Carolina in that it's a third round pick in an expected weaker draft year and they do need to try and find a starting goalie to replace Lack and Ward. For the Blackhawks if they didn't think they could afford him or resign him then it's a case of getting max value for a declining in value asset. A 3rd might not seem like much value especially this year's draft class but it's still better then losing him for nothing in July.

 

[karnige]

Chicago should've re-signed him and traded Crawford instead imo, it'll bite them in 2-4 years.

100% agree. I swear chicago would do the same thing. guess not

 

[Gordoff]

Darling is really good. Like really good. I think he has the ability to be a legit starter right now.

I agree with this...He's a big dood with some fast reflexes, I think he's going to shock people. Nothing like Kudobin (nothing against him) but if I'm building a team I want big and fast in net and down the middle.

 

[tarheelhockey]

This trade makes tons of sense and benefits both teams and the player. Pretty much a perfect deal.

If Darling wants to be a starter, he will find no better opportunity than this. Eddie Lack should have been the guy but wasn't up to it. Regardless, Darling likely gets a low-end starter's contract.

Chicago gets very high value on UFA negotiating rights.

Carolina gets a better shot at a starting goalie than they reasonably would have expected from a 3rd round pick. And faster on the development curve. This opportunity is worth more than a 3rd to us.

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[MardyBum]

I think If they can't come to terms with Darling and Vegas signs him in their FA window the Hurricanes won't lose a player either.

Not sure if it's the case for a pending UFA who didnt actually skate for the team though, or if he'd have to had play in a game.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

100% agree. I swear chicago would do the same thing. guess not

The problem with trading Crawford and keeping Darling is that ultimately it only makes sense if there is a big enough difference in cap between the two to make taking a risk with Darling worth it. Darling has 5 career playoff games, Crawford has at least three very good playoff campaigns where CHI either won the cup with him playing phenomenally in net, or had a deep run.

My guess is Darling signs a 3 year deal for something in the 3M-4M range. If he ends up getting 4M or even north of 4M, the Blackhawks in that scenario wouldn't be looking at much cap relief and would be downgrading from a more known quantity to a guy who has never been tested deep into the playoffs.

Not to mention, so few teams would be able to take Crawford's 6M cap hit clean without sending something back. So even if they'd get a greater return for Crawford, there's no guarantee they could even find a trade that makes sense for them cap wise.

On paper, it seems like an option. But then when you really think about it, it is the type of scenario where multiple things have to go right for it to really work. Not to mention, Crawford's NTC would even further complicate finding a trade partner as he can only be traded to TEN TEAMS he chooses.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

Robbery by the Canes. Darling will make the difference from a club outside to inside the playoffs. Its a jab for all the Nordiques Fan in Quebec city.

Not really. They are so detached from reality that they will probably say this is RF adding talent before the move since players don't always like signing in Canada.

 

[93gilmour93]

I really think he signs in Carolina and does well for them. Good opportunity to play on a good up and coming team.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Was hoping he'd come to Dallas.

You had your chance for Talbot but were greedy. Sorry

 

[uncleben]

Ok, thank you sir for the answer.

Can I get an example during the past playoffs though? Like give me a trade that happened during the playoffs, I can't remember not one single trade during my 20 year stint as an NHL follower. It's been like a gentlemen's agreement that they don't do that no?

2016 Playoffs
(April 13-June 12)

May 25
To Vancouver: Erik Gudbranson, NYI's 5th round pick in 2016
To Florida: Jared McCann, 2nd round pick in 2016, 4th round pick in 2016

May 26
To Detroit: Dylan Sadowy
To San Jose: 3rd round pick in 2017

June 10
To New Jersey: Marc Savard, 2nd round pick in 2018
To Florida: Paul Thompson, Graham Black


2015 Playoffs
(April 15-June 15)

June 1
To Tampa Bay: Daniel Walcott
To NY Rangers: NYR's 7th round pick in 2015


2014 Playoffs
(April 16-June 13)

April 19
To Nashville: Jaynen Rissling
To Washington: 7th round pick in 2014

May 1
To NY Islanders: Jaroslav Halak
To Washington: CHI's 4th round pick in 2014

June 5
To NY Islanders: Dan Boyle
To San Jose: conditional 5th round pick in 2015


2013 Playoffs
(April 30-June 24)

June 6
To Dallas: Sergei Gonchar
To Ottawa: conditional 6th round pick in 2013

June 12
To Philadelphia: Mark Streit
To NY Islanders: Shane Harper, 4th round pick in 2014

June 14
To Florida: Bobby Butler
To Nashville: T.J. Brennan

June 18
To Calgary: Corban Knight
To Florida: 4th round pick in 2013

June 23
To Toronto: Jonathan Bernier
To Los Angeles: Matt Frattin, Ben Scrivens, 2nd round pick in 2015

June 24
To Pittsburgh: Harry Zolnierczyk
To Anaheim: Alex Grant


2012 Playoffs
(April 11-June 11)

May 26
To Boston: Chris Bourque
To Washington: Zach Hamill

June 4
To Pittsburgh: Tomas Vokoun
To Washington: 7th round pick in 2012

June 10
To San Jose: Brad Stuart
To Detroit: Andrew Murray, conditional 7th round pick in 2014


and so on...



Trades can happen any time of the year except for the Holiday Roster Freeze. The only other restrictions are that players traded after the NHL deadline are not eligible to play in the NHL playoffs with their new team.

 

[pomx]

How is this a good move? A 3rd for a mediocre UFA goalie's rights? This is insane robbery by Hawks

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think If they can't come to terms with Darling and Vegas signs him in their FA window the Hurricanes won't lose a player either.

Not sure if it's the case for a pending UFA who didnt actually skate for the team though, or if he'd have to had play in a game.

but they do lose a pick for nothing

 

[Mr Positive]

How is this a good move? A 3rd for a mediocre UFA goalie's rights? This is insane robbery by Hawks

well, maybe the pick is conditional, and if not they could trade his right again. That happened with the Isles once I think.

But I like this aggressive move from Carolina. I think Darling will sign there for sure, and considering they have a great defense there, it will support goalies like him and he'll be impressed by that.

This is a move like how the Oilers got Talbot, or how Sabres got Lehner. Get the guy about to be a starter with all signs pointing up. Pinning hopes on a guy like Bishop carries its own risks, especially with his injury history. And of course he'll be expensive, with probably NMCs and all that. Darling's deal will be reasonable.