There are countless numbers of great NHL scorers who played Junior that would refute your statement, with Bedard being the latest one. Not really sure how you can make that conclusion with a straight face.
Prospect Info: Charlie Stramel, C, 21st Overall, 2023 NHL Draft
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TaLoN
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I disagree as a blanket statement like was posted previously... but in some situations I agree.
Charlie Coyle was a decent NCAA player, but then left the NCAA and moved to the CHL... which then he learned bad habits because he went from playing against young men to playing against boys.
The elite scorers from the CHL that stay elite in the NHL tend to go to the NHL early, before they become men amongst boys. Bedard being the latest example.
Stramel will probably learn more in the NCAA in his situation.
Yeah, cause Stramel is totally close to the same player as Bedard lol. Stramel needs to learn a power forward game. He doesn't have the high end skill, so he will need to be more of a bull in a China shop. Bedard is the polar opposite.
Coyle is exactly who I thought when I made that statement. He blew up the junior league and it didn't help him develop any as a player.
Again, there are so many examples of CHL players who went on the be excellent NHL scorers that it blows my mind that someone can assert that CHL learned offense won't work at higher levels. I could just as easily (and wrongly), make the same statement about NCAA players, using Ben Meyers, Luke Kunin, Kyle Rau, etc. as examples.
At this point, I am taking the league leading CHL offense of Heidt over the NCAA offense of Stramel. Heidt may, or may not, end up having critical holes in his game that will prevent him from being successful in the NHL, but so far, Stramel appears to have nothing but holes in his offensive game.
At this point, I am taking the league leading CHL offense of Heidt over the NCAA offense of Stramel. Heidt may, or may not, end up having critical holes in his game that will prevent him from being successful in the NHL, but so far, Stramel appears to have nothing but holes in his offensive game.
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TaLoN
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How many of those CHL learned offense players start in the CHL after they're drafted?
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Coyle was a better NCAA player than Stramel... so not sure of your point?
Stramel wishes he was Charlie Coyle, but that doesn't change the fact that the CHL was bad for Charlie's development.
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My point was nothing more than I wish we still had Coyle
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Most elite NHL scorers from the CHL, are already playing and developing in the CHL before they're drafted by the NHL.
Yeah, we get it. You're a Heidt die hard. That has exactly zero relevance to where Stramel should be and what would be best for his game. If you're trying to develop skill for a skilled player, then yeah maybe the CHL will work where there isn't much for defense. If you're trying to develop a power forward's offense, playing and learning against older, better, and stronger players is the way to go IMO.
I think the CHL would open the door for a guy like him to experiment with a lot more offensively. He’s overwhelmed with the speed of Big Ten and seems afraid to make a mistake. Hopefully this just requires some patience
Too late to go now of course, I was just saying for hindsight and discussion purposes
Too late to go now of course, I was just saying for hindsight and discussion purposes
Players are (for the most part) stuck in their home countries development system pre-draft. It doesn't matter really mater what league they are from, the cream rises to the top.
The CHL pre-draft is the best league to develop in overall. It's a large, raw skill oriented league against other kids. The USDP is also very good, but it is a very small program.
The CHL, post draft years, is a bottom tier development league. If it was MLB it would be a rookie/low A league. Once a player reaches a ~ppg level the league has little to nothing else to offer in terms of development except learning bad habits.
College would be a high A league. It's a more of a 2-way/system oriented league with more physicality against more physically mature players.
The Euro men's leagues (SHL/Liiga) would be double A.
AHL/KHL are Triple A leagues.
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I don't know? He's 6'3", 220 lbs, and strong (from the combine results). He'd be a penalty magnet in the CHL just due to him being bigger than most everyone else. So that ends up being a mental thing where you continue to push and or become more passive and tentative.
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Left off the WJC roster. Definitely disappointing but he can continue to build his game at Wisconsin in the meantime.
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It's just too bad he wasn't left off last year instead and the Wild could have picked him with a 3rd instead of a 1st.
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Surely this means he's on the same career trajectory as Boldy, right?
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Not very surprising. It's a loaded forward group, even without Cooley. He wasn't going to be anything more than a 4th liner on that roster anyway.
Aging out of the NTDP last year screwed him up, IMO. Could've spent the year working on puck skills instead of just trying to survive college hockey.
Aging out of the NTDP last year screwed him up, IMO. Could've spent the year working on puck skills instead of just trying to survive college hockey.
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Something tells me they would have anyway. I mean we're like, what, 80% sure Guerin directed them to pick size and position over BPA?
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