Player Discussion Charlie Coyle

[PlayMakers]

Will he succeed or fail as the #1c?

What do you project his point totals to be, and why?

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[PlayMakers]

You're right he's a playoff stud and 2022 proves it. Just don't look at the two years before. Or the two after.

Rolls eyes

 

[EverettMike]

*HystericalMike has entered the chat.

Yes, I'm hysterical. Looking at Charlie Coyle's shitty playoff numbers drives me batty.

 

[EverettMike]

Rolls eyes

I liked HystericalMike better than "rolls eyes." More creative/less lazy. But no matter, I have another one for you.

In the '22 playoffs when Charlie Coyle had 6 points in 7 games do you know what his +/- was?

Now, keep in mind this was the only other positive example you provided for him as a playoff performer. You said the '22 playoffs must be another "anomaly" as a way to mock my previous statement.

So any guesses? Take a few.





How many did you need to reach MINUS 7. HE WAS A MINUS 7 IN 7 GAMES.

In fact, he has only ever once in his whole career had a positive +/- in the playoffs, his anomaly year of '19. Last year was actually a huge success because his 5 points in 13 games came with a +/- of zero, just the second time in his playoff career he didn't end with a negative.

Way to go Charlie! ZERO! ZERO! ZERO!

 

[LouJersey]

I liked HystericalMike better than "rolls eyes." More creative/less lazy. But no matter, I have another one for you.

In the '22 playoffs when Charlie Coyle had 6 points in 7 games do you know what his +/- was?

Now, keep in mind this was the only other positive example you provided for him as a playoff performer. You said the '22 playoffs must be another "anomaly" as a way to mock my previous statement.

So any guesses? Take a few.





How many did you need to reach MINUS 7. HE WAS A MINUS 7 IN 7 GAMES.

In fact, he has only ever once in his whole career had a positive +/- in the playoffs, his anomaly year of '19. Last year was actually a huge success because his 5 points in 13 games came with a +/- of zero, just the second time in his playoff career he didn't end with a negative.

Way to go Charlie! ZERO! ZERO! ZERO!

He played well in 2019 and made a mint off of it. He's a 3C and no more on a real Cup contender. He pulled the wool over people's eyes when he did well vs the crappy division and the Columbus and Philly's of the league, but when needed in the play-offs, he was not good. How does one average almost 19 minutes per game in the play-offs last season and score 1 goal as the "1 C" It's borderline impossible.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I’ve never understood why Coyle doesn’t produce more. Like even before he ever came to Boston, I always felt like he had the talent to be closer to a PPG player. Not overly physical, but generally not easy to knock off the puck given his large frame. Good skater. Good shot. Good hands.

Is it the ol “hockey sense”? Also, a lot of times people explain away “high talent players that don’t produce” by saying they are lazy/don’t work hard enough. But…for whatever reason…Coyle has never come across as “lazy” to me.

Curious if other people have the same impression as me but have a more defined narrative as to why he’s such a middling and frustrating player. Not looking to generate hate posts on the guy. Just wondering what people have in terms of pinpointing his exact shortcomings.

A while back, there was a thread on the main board about “talented players who can’t put it all together” and I instantly thought of Coyle. He’s still the name I’d stick in that thread were it to come up today.

 

[Over the volcano]

I’ve never understood why Coyle doesn’t produce more. Like even before he ever came to Boston, I always felt like he had the talent to be closer to a PPG player. Not overly physical, but generally not easy to knock off the puck given his large frame. Good skater. Good shot. Good hands.

Is it the ol “hockey sense”? A lot of times people explain away “high talent players that don’t produce” by saying they are lazy/don’t work hard enough. But…for whatever reason…Coyle has never come across as “lazy” to me.

Curious if other people have the same impression as me but have a more defined narrative as to why he’s such a middling and frustrating player. Not looking to generate hate posts on the guy. Just wondering what people have in terms of pinpointing his exact shortcomings.

The way I see it, he just is who he is going all the way back - big, strong, smart and even as a prospect feasted on lower level competition in prep school (like Letourneau).

Maybe those formative years of success with less than 100% engagement set his game. Maybe that's not fair too and he's just maximizing what he's got. Whatever it is it brought him here cheap because he was frustrating the Wild too.

He's got all the tools and has put together a heck of a career, and always teased with inconsistent flashes of that next level. Sweeney bet on him taking that next step. All that said he seems like a great guy and is easy to root for.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

I’ve never understood why Coyle doesn’t produce more. Like even before he ever came to Boston, I always felt like he had the talent to be closer to a PPG player. Not overly physical, but generally not easy to knock off the puck given his large frame. Good skater. Good shot. Good hands.

Is it the ol “hockey sense”? Also, a lot of times people explain away “high talent players that don’t produce” by saying they are lazy/don’t work hard enough. But…for whatever reason…Coyle has never come across as “lazy” to me.

Curious if other people have the same impression as me but have a more defined narrative as to why he’s such a middling and frustrating player. Not looking to generate hate posts on the guy. Just wondering what people have in terms of pinpointing his exact shortcomings.

A while back, there was a thread on the main board about “talented players who can’t put it all together” and I instantly thought of Coyle. He’s still the name I’d stick in that thread were it to come up today.

It's a very good question. I think part of the answer may lie in something you said. Good skater. Yes, but not great. Good shot, not great, good hands, not great. I think in the modern NHL you need to be great in at least one aspect to produce consistently at a high level. Coyle just isn't. On top of that he only has an average hockey IQ and his passing game is so-so. If it was better he'd get more PP time and the fact he never really has tells you how coaches rate him in that regard.

Finally, speed is nearly everything these days and Coyle just doesn't have it. If you're an exceptional talent like Krejci was and you can land a puck on a dime from wherever you please then you can get away without playing with pace, but that's very rare. It's not just foot speed, it's the pace with which you can move the puck and make plays. Charlie isn't slow, just middling.

I think in sum he's not bad in any area, and that's what makes him a solid player. He has some level of talent in most aspects of the game. But there's nothing that allows him to stand out in any way offensively and put him up there with the top players. It's a tough league. The level of ability and hard work you need to really thrive is huge and probably often under-appreciated. There are many like Coyle who are close but just not quite there in being able to produce at an elite level.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

He played well in 2019 and made a mint off of it. He's a 3C and no more on a real Cup contender. He pulled the wool over people's eyes when he did well vs the crappy division and the Columbus and Philly's of the league, but when needed in the play-offs, he was not good. How does one average almost 19 minutes per game in the play-offs last season and score 1 goal as the "1 C" It's borderline impossible.

Joe Thornton says hello.

 

[LouJersey]

Joe Thornton says hello.

Yes I remember his 2004 play-offs well. Borderline impossible. Thankfully Coyle has had a similar hall of fame career.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

"Too many failed clears. Plus a Coyle turnover on the rush, with numbers, against an empty net. Tried shooting through a body instead of just taking the puck deep and killing clock."

At the very least, wind up and hammer the puck at the Dmans ankles.

 

[Coach Parker]

"Too many failed clears. Plus a Coyle turnover on the rush, with numbers, against an empty net. Tried shooting through a body instead of just taking the puck deep and killing clock."

At the very least, wind up and hammer the puck at the Dmans ankles.

The shot on the empty net is a legit scoring chance.

This is Charlie Coyle. Scoring chances die on his stick this year.

 

[Blowfish]

Charlie battling with Tkachuk all night long. Play him tough along the boards.

 

[Coach Parker]

Charlie battling with Tkachuk all night long. Play him tough along the boards.

He's paid to score and contribute offence, not be a 3rd line shutdown. He has lost his scoring touch and this could be the beginning of the decline.

 

[Oates2Neely]

In Coyle’s mind he’s a great player. He brings the bulldozer effort every 1 in 10 games. Otherwise he’s just coasting. If Coyle had the work ethic of a Kastelic he’d be a consistent 70 point 2nd line center. Coyle just doesn’t bring it nearly often enough for a guy that lacks elite hockey IQ.

If he weren’t from Boston he’d have been moved a few seasons ago

 

[Coach Parker]

In Coyle’s mind he’s a great player. He brings the bulldozer effort every 1 in 10 games. Otherwise he’s just coasting. If Coyle had the work ethic of a Kastelic he’d be a consistent 70 point 2nd line center. Coyle just doesn’t bring it nearly often enough for a guy that lacks elite hockey IQ.

If he weren’t from Boston he’d have been moved a few seasons ago

He looks and plays cozy. Like his job is safe and that what he does off the ice merits his paycheck and role on the team. The game looks too fast for him right now. Like the opponent is now pulling off plays in his space and avoiding his reactions and skills.

 

[Oates2Neely]

He looks and plays cozy. Like his job is safe and that what he does off the ice merits his paycheck and role on the team. The game looks too fast for him right now. Like the opponent is now pulling off plays in his space and avoiding his reactions and skills.

He’s just never angry. He’s just content coasting. He’s not a winner. It’s too bad because he’s shown he’s capable of being a game changer. Big kid who is strong. He’s just “lazy”.

 

[JAD]

He's paid to score and contribute offence, not be a 3rd line shutdown. He has lost his scoring touch and this could be the beginning of the decline.

He's never had a "scoring touch."
Last season was an anomaly, a one time career year.
Coyle can be a very good puck procession protecting third line center, but he is being overused and consequently misused with exaggerated expectations for his limited play making abilities.
I've said in the past with Coyle as a center he is where wingers point production goes to die.

 

[BlackFrancis]

At this point, I fully believe he whispered, "Try for the goalie goal," to Swayman.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Coyle is slow.....Let's get that straight. He is also an erratic offensive decision maker and a pretty poor backchecker, even though he generally tries.