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4 swedish teams in qf. just says what a mickey mouse tournament this is when 50 % of the teams in qf is from weak SHL.
Hockeyfrilla
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Congratulations to Tappara and Jukurit. That's amazing, because some the best foreign players outside of the NHL play in the NL and especially many Finns and yet they don't manage to eliminate Finnish teams that have been bled dry (so many players who have to be given up). How many Finns, Swedes, Czechs, Canadians and Co do the Swiss- teams have to buy???
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SoundAndFury
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Surely.
Why do you feed the troll? The guy has written thousands of posts at this point of his "opinion".
Well, they did have all 4 teams quality to 1/8 finals... Also, none of the top-3 teams in NL at the moment are even playing in the competition. Zug is basically in the 1/4 (and have one of the easiest if not THE easiest pairing there), Zurich and Davos lost to tough opponents. Fribourg are really the only ones that kinda dropped the ball. Farjestad just lost to Czech mid-table team too, upsets happen..
Liiga had 2 teams in 1/8, NLA had 4. A very likely scenario is that Liiga will have 0 teams in the semis and NLA with have 1. Kinda unfair to base the ratings of the leagues on one particular point in time when numbers clearly make one of those look uncharacteristically bad.
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Ciccarelli
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They heavily overpay their domestic players in NLA. Liiga teams can probably get a guy like Lukas Jasek or Thomas Gregoire with the price of a third line NLA swiss, who wouldn't necesserily bring anything to the table in Liiga.
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Not really sure what's the point of this post. Yes, Swiss players have 0 incentive to leave the country while NL can attract any players set to play in Europe at this point.
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Its like 90 percent chance a swedish teams wins this 9 percent for finns and the rest 1 percent for the others. Not just this year but in general. This competition really needs fibalist from others countries aswell. But the swiss especially are weighed and found light weight year after year after year. I blame the level of domestic players which is of the calibre of finnish second tier (which is only semi pro) and lack of winning culture.
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And the basis for this profound statement is..? Because you feel like saying it?
Fribourg had Marcus Sorensen playing on the 4th line yesterday.
Ciccarelli
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Lack of winning culture = have not won anything at euro level.
Lack of good enough domestic players = not nearly as many pro level players as Sweden and Finland produce, at any level.
I am not going to bother to check who is Marcus Sorensen, but doesn't sound swiss to me.
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You mean in general or in this CHL (since 14/15) ?
This is CHL (previous version) winning roster that swept the ice with Magnitogorsk in 2009., which was main reason why Russians and Gazprom pulled out of the project, not "global crisis".
ZSC Lions 2008-2009 - Roster, Stats & more
ZSC Lions - NLA - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com
www.eliteprospects.com
Ciccarelli
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Well I guess you could go to the ninities and mention TPS and Jokerit aswell, but I ment a bit more recent.You mean in general or in this CHL (since 14/15) ?
This is CHL (previous version) winning roster that swept the ice with Magnitogorsk in 2009., which was main reason why Russians and Gazprom pulled out of the project, not "global crisis".
ZSC Lions 2008-2009 - Roster, Stats & more
ZSC Lions - NLA - hockey team page with roster, stats, transactions at eliteprospects.com
And I dont if this is talked at all in other hockey nations, but the culture of winning is a very crucial part of hockey conversation in Finland. Team Finland was never able to win anything becose of the culture of losing important games, "we will lose, becose we lost the year before, and the year before that". Ofcourse something like this can be turned around, as Finland has proven, BUT, it takes years and years. We haven't seen this process even begun with the swiss teams in euro competition. Tis' a long, rocky road.
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Again, TPS and Ilves didn't even make it out of the group stage, Ilves even losing both games to the very same Fribourg. Swiss had 4 teams in 1/8, Finland had 2. But now, Jukurit scrape out OT win after being largely outplayed and carried through by their goalie (shots were 60-35 in Fribourg's favor over 2 games) and you grab it as full-proof evidence of how superior Finnish league/hockey is.
Very nice. In addition to what Filip wrote, a Finnish team won this competition once. The non-SHL team won this competition once. If the Swiss team was to also win this SHL-dominated competition once they would be tied in winning culture, all of the sudden? Because let me tell ya, it's extremely unlikely the Finnish team does it again in foreseeable future.
Also, I truly wonder where this "winning culture" was when Ilves got kicked out of the competition by freaking Stavanger. It's obvious from this very thread Finns have created sort of mythos about their hockey culture, part of "hockey conversation", as you call it. Everything that fits the narrative (Jukurit) gets drummed up, everything that doesn't (Ilves fiasco and pretty mediocre performance in general) just quietly gets a pass.
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You just do not understand me. Regardless, competition isn't important enough for that.
