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First of all, let's get this straight: I'm not a fan of Swiss hockey nor am I one of Finnish hockey. Which is a great distinction between the two of us, in terms of objectivity.

It's even more apparent when you are trying to play the "Tappara is one of the favorites" card when at least according to odds, THE favorites are.... wait for it... Zug (CHL odds – Get the Best Odds at Champions Hockey League | Nicer Odds). So am I really the one ignoring something that is well-known?

Also, I don't see how am I "belittling" anyone. Jukurit did great considering what they are. They got outplayed but scraped out a win, good for them. In light of this discussion, however, what does it prove in the bigger picture? That small teams get lucky occasionally? Because once again, they got shelled by Gotteron almost at 2:1 ratio. You can check out the "deserve-o-meter" which CHL quite handily provides for this discussion here: Matches

Furthermore, you choose to continuously ignore the failings of other Finnish teams. Jukurit, Jukurit, Jukurit.. What about Ilves, Ilves, Ilves? "Bringing up old group stage games" - you mean games played a month ago, this very season, that directly led to their relegation? Indeed, how dare I bring those up.

Nobody sane would say Switzerland is a better/bigger hockey country than Finland. It isn't. But when comparing the strength of local leagues, you are doing nothing more than grasping at straws with this "evidence". I remember you doing the same many many years ago when it became apparent NLA has become at the very least equal in strength to the Liiga (which, in hindsight, was a very obvious truth) so please don't try to gaslight other people into thinking they are the ones that are being "hurt" and fail to accept the pretty obvious reality.
 
SoundAndFury said:
Surely.

Why do you feed the troll? The guy has written thousands of posts at this point of his "opinion".

Well, they did have all 4 teams quality to 1/8 finals... Also, none of the top-3 teams in NL at the moment are even playing in the competition. Zug is basically in the 1/4 (and have one of the easiest if not THE easiest pairing there), Zurich and Davos lost to tough opponents. Fribourg are really the only ones that kinda dropped the ball. Farjestad just lost to Czech mid-table team too, upsets happen..

Liiga had 2 teams in 1/8, NLA had 4. A very likely scenario is that Liiga will have 0 teams in the semis and NLA with have 1. Kinda unfair to base the ratings of the leagues on one particular point in time when numbers clearly make one of those look uncharacteristically bad.
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Im not trolling, im serious. Behave.

CHL is a mickey mouse tournament that should not be taken serious.

Hell, a team from Poland won over a SHL team, does that mean that Poland league is stronger than SHL?

The best way to compare the true strength of league is EHT, WJC and WC. Tournaments that actually is serious. Since 2019 Sweden have performed worse than Canada, Finland, Russia, USA, Czechia, Slovakia, Germany and Switzerland in this tournaments.

SoundAndFury said:
And the basis for this profound statement is..? Because you feel like saying it?

Fribourg had Marcus Sorensen playing on the 4th line yesterday.
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Thats becuse Sörensen have been injured. A full healthy Sörensen is good enough for top 6. Not long ago he was a decent NHLer.
 
Eye of Ra said:
Im not trolling, im serious. Behave.

CHL is a mickey mouse tournament that should not be taken serious.

Hell, a team from Poland won over a SHL team, does that mean that Poland league is stronger than SHL?

The best way to compare the true strength of league is EHT, WJC and WC. Tournaments that actually is serious. Since 2019 Sweden have performed worse than Canada, Finland, Russia, USA, Czechia, Slovakia, Germany and Switzerland in this tournaments.


Thats becuse Sörensen have been injured. A full healthy Sörensen is good enough for top 6. Not long ago he was a decent NHLer.
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Eye of Ra said:
CHL is a mickey mouse tournament that should not be taken serious.
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Why?

Eye of Ra said:
The best way to compare the true strength of league is EHT, WJC and WC.
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How is EHT a measure of the strength of a league? Many of the best players in Europe decline participation, guys like Emil Sylvegård who would be third liners on most SHL teams are invited?

How is the WJCs a measure of the strength of a league? In any given season, VERY few players on the WJC rosters are SHL regulars, even standouts like Rasmus Dahlin were sheltered at the SHL level, and star prospects like Raymond and Holtz proved nothing here?

How is the WHCs a measure of the strength of a league? Because Finland’s got a ton of terrific role players in Europe mucking out wins against NHLers playing trap defense each year? I suppose Liiga > NHL, and Toni Rajala > William Nylander.
 
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Eye of Ra said:
Where?
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Well, you picked Katowice to advance over Rogle and Krakow over Farjestad, soo?

And fairly sure you did it like 10 more times by conjecture. You know, SHL being a C-tier league why the Polish one has improved so much, etc.
 
Yozhik v tumane said:
Why?



How is EHT a measure of the strength of a league? Many of the best players in Europe decline participation, guys like Emil Sylvegård who would be third liners on most SHL teams are invited?

How is the WJCs a measure of the strength of a league? In any given season, VERY few players on the WJC rosters are SHL regulars, even standouts like Rasmus Dahlin were sheltered at the SHL level, and star prospects like Raymond and Holtz proved nothing here?

How is the WHCs a measure of the strength of a league? Because Finland’s got a ton of terrific role players in Europe mucking out wins against NHLers playing trap defense each year? I suppose Liiga > NHL, and Toni Rajala > William Nylander.
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I don't have an answer and am not sure who I agree with... but what would you say is the best way to compare the strengths of the leagues?
 
Czechboy said:
I don't have an answer and am not sure who I agree with... but what would you say is the best way to compare the strengths of the leagues?
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Better players make better teams, better teams make better leagues. Bigger salaries get better players. It's really that simple. If someone has even the most basic understanding of what moving up a tier means to a player, he can probably figure out the rough league ranking as well.

For the leagues that are somewhat close in budget, like NLA vs SHL, you look for their results versus each other but more often than not any answer you will get is going to be indecisive anyway.

But as long as one is happy enough with just separating the leagues into certain tiers, that ranking is fairly obvious and pretty much any evidence you take, be it personnel, budget size, or on-ice results, it will say the same thing. It's just unfortunate that there are less and less people on these boards without some crazy agenda and at least semi-reasonable European hockey understanding.
 
Eye of Ra said:
The best way to compare the true strength of league is EHT, WJC and WC
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The best way to compare the strength of different leagues is international tournaments? Interesting.
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Jukurit said:
TPS center depth was pretty brutal against EV Zug. Intonen, Munkki, Marjala, Jasu. 3rd line center, 4th line center and 2 rookies. Yikes!
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Intonen with 10 points in 22 games for a team that isn't scoring very much (he's the second-leading scorer). Is there anything to see i n terms of future potential?
 
Luleå just looks too quick for Jukurit. Though Jukurit are playing back-to-back and Luleå not, so that may have some effect.
 
Three quarterfinal games were played yesterday. Average attendance was 2 260 fans.

Skellefteå (SWE) - 2 108
Luleå (SWE) - 1 404
Rögle (SWE) - 3 268
 
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