Proposal: Cgy-Mtl

[hockeyheadlines]

Yep. I'm the crazy one, not the unabashed homer who has offered literally nothing except a (pretty poor) list of players.

You've done nothing except mock other people who aren't Habs fans/don't praise the Habs.

Honestly, you've gone off the deep end. Brodie would never fetch any of the players mentioned above.

Pretty poor list of players? I could not disagree with you more.

 

[Figgy44]

Dougie got a first and two seconds... thats it. nothing else.

ill give the flames a first and two seconds for dougie.

but no.. they want more. cuz he is worth more to us now then he was before. even though his stats and play dropped.

its fickle.

Dougie broke his personal points record his first year with us while adjusting to a new system. Other stats I'm not sure, but many posters would agree that adjusting to a new system will do things to your stats. He has also started playing more physical this season than when he first showed up last season which is starting to look closer like the 2 way guy we had hoped for. (Behind schedule, closer, but not exact). He isn't on the block but other teams are calling about availability.

Let me put it this way. We have no intention of getting rid of Dougie.

If you bought a classic Porsche for $20k (which was a hell of a deal in the first place), did a little work on it, got it working better than when you got it, you keep it. And someone sees it on your drive way offering what you paid for it, you tell them to pound sand. This especially if a couple guys call about whether you're going to sell it. The point is, you better have an offer that blows our pants off if you're targeting a guy we aren't interested in getting rid of.


Brodie, even more so than Dougie.

 

[Legend123]

That actually made me laugh out loud.

oh great another flames fan valuing brodie like orr. Ive seen it once and this wont be the last time. I love Ds who record 3 points in 16 games and being a -11. Def more valuable than early Norris favorite Weber, PPG+ Galchenyuk, Career 30 goal scorer Pacs, Magic man Rads.
Good job

 

[CanadienShark]

Honestly, you've gone off the deep end. Brodie would never fetch any of the players mentioned above.

Pretty poor list of players? I could not disagree with you more.

Gone off the deep end? I dare you to look up my opinions on all of the aforementioned players. If anything, I've been an over-the-top homer to those players (except Weber) for months if not years. Seriously, do it. Post some of my recent-ish (last year) posts here.

Brodie would fetch probably any of them. I said that's a poor list of players, not a list of poor players. There's a big difference.

 

[Legend123]

Gone off the deep end? I dare you to look up my opinions on all of the aforementioned players. If anything, I've been an over-the-top homer to those players (except Weber) for months if not years. Seriously, do it. Post some of my recent-ish (last year) posts here.

Brodie would fetch probably any of them. I said that's a poor list of players, not a list of poor players. There's a big difference.

Well im just glad ur not the Habs GM, man that would be a sad day.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Dougie broke his personal points record his first year with us while adjusting to a new system. Other stats I'm not sure, but many posters would agree that adjusting to a new system will do things to your stats. He has also started playing more physical this season than when he first showed up last season which is starting to look closer like the 2 way guy we had hoped for. (Behind schedule, closer, but not exact). He isn't on the block but other teams are calling about availability.

Let me put it this way. We have no intention of getting rid of Dougie.

Whether you want to or not, apparently he is on the block. At least if you can believe sports reporters.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Gone off the deep end? I dare you to look up my opinions on all of the aforementioned players. If anything, I've been an over-the-top homer to those players (except Weber) for months if not years. Seriously, do it. Post some of my recent-ish (last year) posts here.

Brodie would fetch probably any of them. I said that's a poor list of players, not a list of poor players. There's a big difference.

Nonsense.

 

[CanadienShark]

Well im just glad ur not the Habs GM, man that would be a sad day.

I still wait for you to actually contribute something to the conversation. I've given opinions on the players themselves and their value. You've mocked me and others.

Nonsense.

It's really not. He's a young-ish #1D on an exceptional contract. He's in the Vlasic, Josi, etc. tier as far as value. Those guys are worth their weight in gold.

 

[YourAverageFan*]

Honestly, you've gone off the deep end. Brodie would never fetch any of the players mentioned above.

Pretty poor list of players? I could not disagree with you more.

oh great another flames fan valuing brodie like orr. Ive seen it once and this wont be the last time. I love Ds who record 3 points in 16 games and being a -11. Def more valuable than early Norris favorite Weber, PPG+ Galchenyuk, Career 30 goal scorer Pacs, Magic man Rads.
Good job

I don't think I've ever ran into two bigger (can't say the word) than you guys when it comes to HF. My God

Think about it this way:

Taylor Hall > Pacioretty, Radulov, Gallagher (could also make a case for Galchenyuk)
Taylor Hall only fetched Adam Larsson
TJ Brodie >> Larsson

If you think any of those players are singlehandedly more valuable than Brodie, there's no hope for you

You could make a case for Weber, but his contract carriers a cap hit of almost $8M until he's 42. That is, to put it nicely, ridiculously bad

The ONLY player you could possibly make a case for having more value than Brodie is Galchenyuk and even then, that's a huge stretch because elite #1 D-men > #1 C

 

[hockeyheadlines]

I don't think I've ever ran into two bigger (can't say the word) than you guys when it comes to HF. My God

Think about it this way:

Taylor Hall > Pacioretty, Radulov, Gallagher (could also make a case for Galchenyuk)
Taylor Hall only fetched Adam Larsson
TJ Brodie >> Larsson

If you think any of those players are singlehandedly more valuable than Brodie, there's no hope for you

You could make a case for Weber, but his contract carriers a cap hit of almost $8M until he's 42. That is, to put it nicely, ridiculously bad

The ONLY player you could possibly make a case for having more value than Brodie is Galchenyuk and even then, that's a huge stretch because elite #1 D-men > #1 C

Taylor Hall?

 

[Some Other Flame]

Honestly, you've gone off the deep end. Brodie would never fetch any of the players mentioned above.

Pretty poor list of players? I could not disagree with you more.

It's okay to admit you just don't know who Brodie is.

Whether you want to or not, apparently he is on the block. At least if you can believe sports reporters.

Actually he's not.

There's a difference between shopping a player and other teams kicking tires.

 

[Figgy44]

Whether you want to or not, apparently he is on the block. At least if you can believe sports reporters.

What?

By that definition, if someone called about Price, he's on the block. I think you'd agree with me that just because someone inquires about someone, he's not on the block. The opposing GM does perhaps have a small window to try and offer something that is too good to pass up though. As mentioned above, that's kicking tires.

Most of what I have read has said GMs are calling about his availability. Treliving is NOT shopping Dougie. However, I am a little confused as well why media is confused as to who is instigating calls and cannot determine tire kicking vs shopping a player.

My understanding is that GMs are calling Treliving and he's listening to them in politeness rather than half the HF posters who would slam their phone onto an imaginary receiver. I do not believe it is not the other way around where Treliving is calling other GMs.


EDIT: Dougie AND Brodie are not available unless the offer is so ridiculous, fans have no issues driving the players to the airport themselves.

 

[Legend123]

I don't think I've ever ran into two bigger (can't say the word) than you guys when it comes to HF. My God

Think about it this way:

Taylor Hall > Pacioretty, Radulov, Gallagher (could also make a case for Galchenyuk)
Taylor Hall only fetched Adam Larsson
TJ Brodie >> Larsson

If you think any of those players are singlehandedly more valuable than Brodie, there's no hope for you

You could make a case for Weber, but his contract carriers a cap hit of almost $8M until he's 42. That is, to put it nicely, ridiculously bad

The ONLY player you could possibly make a case for having more value than Brodie is Galchenyuk and even then, that's a huge stretch because elite #1 D-men > #1 C

OHhhhhhh so ur logic is from the fact that ONE gm traded Hall for Larsson that the Market is now set for all future trades???? Really?? [MOD]
Its not cuz one fortunate lad got his way, that lo and behold everyone else will get his way.
And btw Brodie is not a #1D yet alone an elite one.

 

[western redmen]

Radulov??!! Seriously??

 

[Legend123]

Radulov??!! Seriously??

I would take an extended Radulov over Brodie any day of the week.

 

[Phry]

I would take an extended Radulov over Brodie any day of the week.

The Isles might be looking for a new GM soon. Sounds like you're a perfect fit.

 

[Legend123]

The Isles might be looking for a new GM soon. Sounds like you're a perfect fit.

I would do a much better job than the current gm thats for sure

 

[Phry]

I would do a much better job than the current gm thats for sure

All he really had to do was re-sign Neilsen.

 

[Legend123]

All he really had to do was re-sign Neilsen.

And Okposo or Never go after Ladd.

 

[CanadienShark]

I would take an extended Radulov over Brodie any day of the week.

The thing is... Radulov IS NOT extended. That affects value, believe it or not. And even an extended Radulov (to say a $6m deal with term) is at best ARGUABLY more valuable. This "any day of the week" is silly. And FWIW, I took a ton of heat for my opinion on Radulov a few months back, so you can call me a Radulov/Habs hater all you like. Look up my posts and see.

I notice you've stopped responding to me after I asked for you to offer something useful to the discussion OTHER THAN "I would take X over Y, because I'm right" or "Lol, so glad you're not a fan of X, because I'm right." Would you care to explain why the players you mentioned are more valuable than Brodie?

 

[Haatley]

Wouldn't do that for Brodie alone. Not even close.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Before I start let it be known in a habs fan. As we all are with our teams I may be a little homey with my offer but in all honesty I don't think it's as horrific as many habs offers in the past. Or many of the he proposals to begin with.

Either way here goes.

TO MTL

C BACKLUND
LD TJ BRODIE

TO CAL

LD BEAULIEU
1st Rd pick 2017
2nd round pick 2018
DD ( cap hit )

Fire away..

if calgary had to trade brodie getting 2 first round picks might be a fair offer but other teams have better picks to deal. sticking a capdump is obviously negative value. a 2018 pick isnt as valuable as a 2017

brodie is good enough you have to hurt to get him. hes not damaged goods like dougie hamilton was for comparable. dougie fetched a first and 2 seconds and was considered undervalue.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Whether you want to or not, apparently he is on the block. At least if you can believe sports reporters.

i believe sports reporters have to put something in their articles or they will get fired. i also believe teams arent allowed to make public what players they want or they are guilty of tampering. i also believe very few teams put a guy on the block until theres a huge problem because it weakens trade value.

dougie hamilton and his agent wanted out of boston... perhaps now they want out of calgary? imho hamilton doesnt like to engage on ice. he loves to play soft. playing soft gets you booed in markets like boston and calgary... gets you demoted to 3rd pair

the kid has oodles of puck skill... but i think he wants to play somewhere he can collect his paycheck without breaking a sweat. if anyone is leaking info to the media my money is on hamiltons camp.

 

[Lunatik]

Whether you want to or not, apparently he is on the block. At least if you can believe sports reporters.

Actually reporters are saying teams are calling about him and he is not on the block.

 

[CHaracter79]

How do you see a guy like Vlasic? He's a borderline top 10 d-man like Vlasic. Just because they don't put up 50+ point doesn't mean they aren't exceptional puck movers and don't contribute significantly to the offence. Brodie is a half tier behind the likes of Subban, Weber, etc. but is paid literally half what those other guys are. That plays a part in value.



Holy crap. You're hilarious.



See above. MAAAAAYYYYBBBBBEEEE Galchenyuk is debatable.

Weber? No. He's paid significantly more, is older, is only half a step ahead right this minute. He's not more valuable.

Pacioretty? Nope. Brodie is more or less equal in the most broad sense, but the positional difference wins out here easily.

Gallagher?

Radulov? He needs to not only continue his great play, but exceed it AND sign a very good contract to suddenly be worth more.

So basically if Calgary Calls tomorrow and offers Brodie for weber one for
One.. You accept and take Brodie and give away weber?