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I want something better than this for Kadri or I'm fine with him playing out his career here. His contract isn't nearly as bad as some people are trying to make it seem.
It's not about what us fans want, it's about how the front office has operated since they took over. They have been allergic to long term, high dollar deals for older guys. Kadri is clearly a far superior player to KK. It's why I said the premise of the deal is solid, but given how the Canes operate, I don't see them doing it without retention, and Calgary won't retain (nor should they).Anyone saying they're helping Calgary out, Calgary has to retain, or the plus is on the wrong side is delusional.
It's not fans, it's the ownership. Guentzel is the first big rental they went after in 6 years. And they've consistently been anti-term for older guys. We fans can say differently, but unless/until the front office changes their stripes, it's pointless.What's factual is that Carolina took some massive losses this summer and are more of a bubble team than a contender now. Adding a 75 points play driving center at 7M while also clearing out a bad contract would give them a massive boost.
Canes fans need to pick a lane, you can't be anti rental and anti term.
Retention for Burns and more risk 5 years vs. 3 years.They literally traded for Burns at age 37 with 3 years remaining, how is Kadri any different here?
Why would Carolina want a two way C who would have been second on their team in scoring playing with Zary and Pospisil on a terrible PP?
He’s clearly a dumpthey are perfectly content with getting annihilated in the first round of the playoffs again, apparently
I get your argument and what i said was not directed at you but instead the people here basically implying Calgary is trying to dump Kadri. That's also why I said this is probably more of an in-season thing. The fact of the matter is that Carolina has a clear hole at 2C. They are trying to stay in contention but are banking on one of Kuznetsov, Roslovic, or Kotkaniemi to take the reins at 2C. Maybe they try Jarvis or Necas there and one of them works out instead. But if we are in like January and Kadri has more points than all 3 of Kuzy, Roslo, and KK combined I would not be surprised if Tulsky explored a deal like this. It's not like Kadri isn't movable in the later years of his deal either as his contract becomes a M-NTC.It's not about what us fans want, it's about how the front office has operated since they took over. They have been allergic to long term, high dollar deals for older guys. Kadri is clearly a far superior player to KK. It's why I said the premise of the deal is solid, but given how the Canes operate, I don't see them doing it without retention, and Calgary won't retain (nor should they).
It's not fans, it's the ownership. Guentzel is the first big rental they went after in 6 years. And they've consistently been anti-term for older guys. We fans can say differently, but unless/until the front office changes their stripes, it's pointless.
Retention for Burns and more risk 5 years vs. 3 years.
I'd love to have Kadri and jettison KK. I'm just saying I don't see the Canes front office doing it because of the reasons I stated.
How did he do the year before again? I'm sure he wont regress at all in the next 5 years during his age 34-38 seasons!Kadri just put up 75 points playing with 2 rookies on a team with only 1 other NHL center. Trading him would be really dumb unless we're getting an actual return. Kotkaniemi is a cap dump. I'd want a real return with no retention or I'd be keeping him. He's due to expire right around where we start to get competitive again anyway and is our only legit top 6 C. We just saw the ghost of Monahan get paid a similar amount and he returned a 1st at the TDL.
You are completely out to lunch.That contract is at least 1.5M under market for Kadri.
And kadri is a proven playoff performer with a cup. If Carolina is competing for the next three years, picking up kadri perfectly fits that window.Man, for being so smug, you couldn't even get the info correct. Carolina has made it to at least the 2nd round of the playoffs for six straight years.
No he really isn't. His market value this season was absolutely 1.5M above his current salaryHow did he do the year before again? I'm sure he wont regress at all in the next 5 years during his age 34-38 seasons!
I know capfriendly is down now, but please do look up the retention and term left on Monahan's contract when he was traded.
You are completely out to lunch.
And kadri is a proven playoff performer with a cup. If Carolina is competing for the next three years, picking up kadri perfectly fits that window.
The flames really like Kadri's contributions as a mentor. They don't see him as a cap dump and aren't trading him for a cap dump.
It was a mistake for the Flames because it was obvious they were a team due to regress into the middle. What value did a 30+ center add to a team that was headed into a 6+ year rebuild?Kadri's contract was a mistake for the Flames. Why wouldn't it be a mistake for any team trading for him?
1) Posting a picture without citation or explanation is not an argumentNo he really isn't. His market value this season was absolutely 1.5M above his current salary
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I'm fine with the Kadri contract. If no one else wants it he's perfect insulation for a young roster. I do think if we move him a lot of the opinions here will look pretty silly. I think there's value in his deal. I also think there's value in Weegar. Substantial value. Those 2 help you win hockey games and can be used in all situations.It was a mistake for the Flames because it was obvious they were a team due to regress into the middle. What value did a 30+ center add to a team that was headed into a 6+ year rebuild?
Kadri is a player that augments a competitive roster. You see the kind of impact he makes on a deeper roster when he was in Colorado.
That picture is from the Athletic's yearly players cards. It's not just some random nobody.1) Posting a picture without citation or explanation is not an argument
2) This is just completely detached from reality. Term exists and is a thing, as is age. Nobody is signing Kadri a 34 year old Kadri to a $9 million dollar contract. Not for 1 year and certainly not for 5 more years. Kadri having a bounce back season after an abysmal one does not mean he is suddenly worth $9 million dollars just because somebody's predictive model that likely ignores crucial data such as age says it is.
What did this person's predictive model say Kadri's value was going in to last season? Was that number any less "correct" than this one?
I understand, and Kadri did have a great bounce back season.That picture is from the Athletic's yearly players cards. It's not just some random nobody.
I don't disagree with anything you said other than the bold. You could be right, but until I see the Canes make a move like this, I'm skeptical they will. Maybe they'll change their stripes, as they certainly did this year for rentals with Guentzel, but I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it" group.I get your argument and what i said was not directed at you but instead the people here basically implying Calgary is trying to dump Kadri. That's also why I said this is probably more of an in-season thing. The fact of the matter is that Carolina has a clear hole at 2C. They are trying to stay in contention but are banking on one of Kuznetsov, Roslovic, or Kotkaniemi to take the reins at 2C. Maybe they try Jarvis or Necas there and one of them works out instead. But if we are in like January and Kadri has more points than all 3 of Kuzy, Roslo, and KK combined I would not be surprised if Tulsky explored a deal like this. It's not like Kadri isn't movable in the later years of his deal either as his contract becomes a M-NTC.
Kadri's age and term are mostly being offset by the movement of Kotkaniemi's inefficient contract. They'd be adding him at a net $2.2m for the entirety for the deal.I understand, and Kadri did have a great bounce back season.
BUT that good season does not add enough surplus value to Kadri’s contract to overcome factors like age and term. The poster I quoted said Kadri’s contract was under his market value…which, I’m sorry, is absolute nonsense.
His contract is fair until it inevitably isn't. There's a risk of regression that is likely somewhere in the remaining term. I think there are deals like OPs where the player and contract could make sense for a more competitive team. But I think the market for the player will remain limited until Calgary is willing to facilitate the cap and term.I'm fine with the Kadri contract. If no one else wants it he's perfect insulation for a young roster. I do think if we move him a lot of the opinions here will look pretty silly. I think there's value in his deal. I also think there's value in Weegar. Substantial value. Those 2 help you win hockey games and can be used in all situations.
Huberdeau is a different story. I think it's unlikely we could give him away retaining 50%.
And as I've said in This thread this thread this is probably more of a mid season deal if at all. If we're half way through the season and Kadri is sitting at .85 ppg or better on a bottom feeding tea. Like Calgary then it's far more likely his first year with the Flames was simply a new contract slump and the anomaly.I understand, and Kadri did have a great bounce back season.
BUT that good season does not add enough surplus value to Kadri’s contract to overcome factors like age and term. The poster I quoted said Kadri’s contract was under his market value…which, I’m sorry, is absolute nonsense.
We definitely see it differently. I don't think we'd have a single interested party in Huberdeau at 6m. He doesn't help you win. Kadri, he helps you win and in tons of different ways.His contract is fair until it inevitably isn't. There's a risk of regression that is likely somewhere in the remaining term. I think there are deals like OPs where the player and contract could make sense for a more competitive team. But I think the market for the player will remain limited until Calgary is willing to facilitate the cap and term.
My point was Calgary locking into a longterm deal with a veteran Kadri made zero sense from the get go. I understand there was a wide expectation that Calgary was going to somehow improve after that offseason. But realistically there's no bouncing back from losing two impact players in one summer.
As for Huberdeau, I'm sure you'd have a laundry list of suitors for him at under $6m. But I fail to see the benefit for Calgary.
Lol that's an unbelievable deal for Carolina. Kotkaniemi might have the worst contract in hockey. He's brutal. Major negative asset. He's a borderline nhl player. Kadri while old is still a very good player. His contract could be bad but for now it's actually good. Unlike your teams player.Kadri turns 34 in 3 months, pass. Rather just buy out kk than take on that awful contract. Kadri has a season left of production left and then age regression begins.