Proposal: Cgy-Edm and Cgy-Dallas

[viper0220]

Two different trades involving the Flames:

Trade A

To Oilers:

Wideman
Emile Poirier

Wideman is a 40 point D and the Oilers can flip him for a 2nd round pick + at the trade deadline(just look at what D man can fetch at the trade deadline).

To Flames:

Nail Yakupov

Yakupov gets a change of scenery.


Trade B


To Stars:

Wideman
Emile Poirier
One of Oliver Kylington or Rasmus Andersson

Wideman is a 40 point D and the Stars can flip him for a 2nd round pick + at the trade deadline(just look at what D man can fetch at the trade deadline).


To Flames:

Valeri Nichushkin

Nichuskin is couple of years younger, so that why the Flames are adding more.



You may add or subtract if you like for both trades.

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[MMC]

I doubt the Oilers want Wideman and I don't think Dallas can take Wideman without sending a D back.

 

[edguy]

Neither team will take on Widemans contract.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Why? I'm not a fan of either of those players.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Awful for Calgary too. No interest in losing guys like Andersson, Poirier, Kylington to take on other team's busts.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I'd rather roll the dice on the Wiz (or Eric Gryba, he was good for us last year) than take on Wideman.

 

[blankall]

Awful for Calgary too. No interest in losing guys like Andersson, Poirier, Kylington to take on other team's busts.

Both of Nichushkin and Yakupov are busts in the sense they are 22 and not projecting into top talents. They are both capable of .5ppg hockey and theoretically more. In a lesser role either would be great on your 2nd line wing. They still have the upside to break out into something much more. That's why neither Edm or Dal would touch this trade. Basically selling low.

The Flames also shouldn't be trading Wideman, who has negative trade value at this point. By the deadline if Wideman rebounds, even slightly, he'll be really easy to unload though and may actually bring back assets depending on how well he plays.

 

[WhatWhat]

Two different trades involving the Flames:

Trade A

To Oilers:

Wideman
Emile Poirier

Wideman is a 40 point D and the Oilers can flip him for a 2nd round pick + at the trade deadline(just look at what D man can fetch at the trade deadline).

To Flames:

Nail Yakupov

Yakupov gets a change of scenery.


Trade B


To Stars:

Wideman
Emile Poirier
One of Oliver Kylington or Rasmus Andersson

Wideman is a 40 point D and the Stars can flip him for a 2nd round pick + at the trade deadline(just look at what D man can fetch at the trade deadline).


To Flames:

Valeri Nichushkin

Nichuskin is couple of years younger, so that why the Flames are adding more.



You may add or subtract if you like for both trades.

No interest in Wideman as a player or his contract from the stars perspective.

Also no interest in splitting Nichuskin into prospects

 

[WhatWhat]

Awful for Calgary too. No interest in losing guys like Andersson, Poirier, Kylington to take on other team's busts.

Nichuskin just turned 21 and has only played 2 full years in the NHL. I think calling him a bust is a little premature

 

[Some Other Flame]

Pretty easy no from the Flames. Although the first proposal isn't terrible the second is a gross over payment. Wouldn't trade either Kylington or Andersson for Nichushkin straight up let alone add Poirier.

Best time to move Wideman is either at training camp if another team suffers a critical injury or at the deadline, assuming he's healthy and hasn't forcibly retired any more refs.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Nichuskin just turned 21 and has only played 2 full years in the NHL. I think calling him a bust is a little premature

He has terrible hands. That's something development won't do a ton to fix.

 

[dechire]

Dallas cannot have 9 D on their roster.

 

[Otzelor]

Oilers cannot have 9 D on their roster.

I think you ment Pylons. They have like 4 or maybe 5 NHL worthy defenders.

mb, missread the original quote. Changed it to what I thought it was.

 

[dechire]

I think you ment Pylons. They have like 4 or maybe 5 NHL worthy defenders.

I'm not sure what the quality of defensemen has to do with the fact that a team cannot carry 9 of them

 

[Chaos]

Pretty easy no from the Flames. Although the first proposal isn't terrible the second is a gross over payment. Wouldn't trade either Kylington or Andersson for Nichushkin straight up let alone add Poirier.

Not to worry, the Stars wouldnt come close to considering moving Nichushkin straight up for someone who would be their 3rd or 4th best d-man prospect.

 

[Skobel24]

Oilers don't want Wideman. They can sign someone for cheaper if they need another bottom 4 dman. While Yakupov could be dealt, it sure as hell won't be to the Flames, as he still has a lot of potential.

As for the Dallas trade, I'm really not a fan of Nichushkin.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Both of Nichushkin and Yakupov are busts in the sense they are 22 and projecting into top talents. They are both capable of .5ppg hockey and theoretically more. In a lesser role either would be great on your 2nd line wing. They still have the upside to break out into something much more. That's why neither Edm or Dal would touch this trade. Basically selling low.

They definitely are not projecting that way. They've both gotten top six time with elite offensive forwards, and neither have broken .5 points/game in the past three years (this is worse for Yakupov since he's already played 4 seasons in the NHL). They're projecting a lot more into 2nd or 3rd line forwards than top talents, but the people saying they're complete busts are being too extreme as well.

 

[Kilted Yaksmen]

Both of Nichushkin and Yakupov are busts in the sense they are 22 and projecting into top talents. They are both capable of .5ppg hockey and theoretically more. In a lesser role either would be great on your 2nd line wing. They still have the upside to break out into something much more. That's why neither Edm or Dal would touch this trade. Basically selling low.

The Flames also shouldn't be trading Wideman, who has negative trade value at this point. By the deadline if Wideman rebounds, even slightly, he'll be really easy to unload though and may actually bring back assets depending on how well he plays.

Projecting, the way you are using the term, means they are actually showing signs that indicate they might be able to play a role above the level they are currently at. From what I've seen, both players are projecting to be in the KHL by the time they are 25. Interestingly, they both have the same flaw: Million dollar talent, ten cent brain. Neither has a future in the NHL as most 'star in their own head, but not on the ice' Russians will not accept a bottom 6 NHL role over a starring role over in Russia.

 

[blankall]

They definitely are not projecting that way. They've both gotten top six time with elite offensive forwards, and neither have broken .5 points/game in the past three years (this is worse for Yakupov since he's already played 4 seasons in the NHL). They're projecting a lot more into 2nd or 3rd line forwards than top talents, but the people saying they're complete busts are being too extreme as well.

That was a typo. I meant to say they are not projecting into top talents, but still look like solid 2nd line options. That's a disappointment given their draft positions, but doesn't mean they aren't still capable of being solid players.

 

[ManofSteel55]

They definitely are not projecting that way. They've both gotten top six time with elite offensive forwards, and neither have broken .5 points/game in the past three years (this is worse for Yakupov since he's already played 4 seasons in the NHL). They're projecting a lot more into 2nd or 3rd line forwards than top talents, but the people saying they're complete busts are being too extreme as well.

In Yakupov's defense, he has rarely consistently received ice time with those elite offensive forwards.

To his detriment, he hasn't earned a spot higher on the roster either.

 

[Ajacied]

Yuck. No from a Stars point of view. Doesn't help us at all.

 

[WhatWhat]

I think you ment Pylons. They have like 4 or maybe 5 NHL worthy defenders.

mb, missread the original quote. Changed it to what I thought it was.

They are all NHL worth defenders we just have a handful of 3rd pairing guys and no legit Klingberg partner

 

[WhatWhat]

Projecting, the way you are using the term, means they are actually showing signs that indicate they might be able to play a role above the level they are currently at. From what I've seen, both players are projecting to be in the KHL by the time they are 25. Interestingly, they both have the same flaw: Million dollar talent, ten cent brain. Neither has a future in the NHL as most 'star in their own head, but not on the ice' Russians will not accept a bottom 6 NHL role over a starring role over in Russia.

You could not be more off on Nichuskin but if it helps you justify something in your head then keep thinking this

 

[Ace Rimmer]

No thank you, especially if the Flames can flip Wideman for a 2nd round pick + at the trade deadline and keep Poirier et. al.

 

[Guido Sarducci]

Wideman is 32, makes big $$, coming off a terrible season and has the black cloud of ending an officials career hanging over his head.

The Flames are stuck with him. If the Flames need to trade Wideman, how good of an asset are you willing to put with Wideman, or how bad of a contract are you willing to take back(or both).