Proposal: Cgy - col

[OvermanKingGainer]

I am not a fan of the Andersson for Wiercoch part of this trade, so no from Calgary.

I would do Monahan for MacKinnon straight up as MacKinnon is a RHS that our team desperately needs to get scrubs like Chiasson off our top units, though.

All in all though I would rather be patient because when we start rolling out a Gaudreau-Jankowski-Monahan line, all concerns about Monahan will diminish.

 

[Volica]

Flames do this trade every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

While Monahan has arguably been the better player between the two to start of their careers, MacKinnon has another level he could hit in the right situation. Playing alongside Gaudreau, those two would be one of the nastiest two-headed beasts in the West.

Avs don't touch this. There would really have to be much more incentive to this trade than Rasmus (Who I love as a prospect, but he's just that, a prospect). Unless Joe lost his mind and decided he wanted a major, major, major shake-up, I can't see anyone in their right mind traded MacKinnon this early in his career.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

The Flames need to be patient with Sean. He's inconsistent but he's a big time player when he's on his game. Nate Mackinnon isn't a true #1C IMO. Highly skilled, but 3 years down the road, when the Flames should be competitive, I think you want Monahan down the middle.

Him and Johnny are a dynamic pairing. They are playing brutal but splitting them up now would be disastrous. Sean and Johnny compliment each other so well.

The rest of the roster is improving. Once Johnny, Sean, TJ, and Mark return to form this team will be very good. Patience is the key with this roster.

lol ok ill bite, what makes sean more qualified than mack here.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Eric Staal is way stronger on the puck and a much better skater. I think the Vanek comparison is decent from a skills perspective, but you'll note that those aren't necessarily great skills for a center.

I think he'd be a much better and more effective player on the wing.

In any case, Monahan is definitely a downgrade on Mackinnon, who'd likely score 70-75+ points alongside Gaudreau.

Maybe Monahan + Stajan + 2017 1st for Mackinnon and Grigorenko?

Mackinnon can't even score 70 points with Duchene, Landeskog, Barrie/Johnson, but you think he would do it with Gaudreau and a nobody?

 

[Avs44]

Mackinnon can't even score 70 points with Duchene, Landeskog, Barrie/Johnson, but you think he would do it with Gaudreau and a nobody?

He's also worked best with talented playmakers. Drouin in junior, Stastny in his rookie season, Gaudreau and RNH in the WC. The Avs don't have somebody who can fullfil that role for him at all.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

He's also worked best with talented playmakers. Drouin in junior, Stastny in his rookie season, Gaudreau and RNH in the WC. The Avs don't have somebody who can fullfil that role for him at all.

good, so we trade a player who needs good linemates to produce, for a player who needs good linemates to produce. Is that how both sides are seeing this?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Mackinnon can't even score 70 points with Duchene, Landeskog, Barrie/Johnson, but you think he would do it with Gaudreau and a nobody?

Yes. Gaudreau > Duchene and Landeskog. Gaudreau and Mackinnon would be a devastating duo.

 

[Avs44]

good, so we trade a player who needs good linemates to produce, for a player who needs good linemates to produce. Is that how both sides are seeing this?

No, I see one team giving up the player with the significantly higher offensive upside / talent, and getting practically no incentive in the returning player to make up for that. It's a really easy no.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

No, I see one team giving up the player with the significantly higher offensive upside / talent, and getting practically no incentive in the returning player to make up for that. It's a really easy no.

I see it as a lateral, pointless trade so I guess in a way we are both right

 

[strictlyrandy]

good, so we trade a player who needs good linemates to produce, for a player who needs good linemates to produce. Is that how both sides are seeing this?

Yes lol

 

[perronist]

Eric Staal is way stronger on the puck and a much better skater. I think the Vanek comparison is decent from a skills perspective, but you'll note that those aren't necessarily great skills for a center.

I think he'd be a much better and more effective player on the wing.

In any case, Monahan is definitely a downgrade on Mackinnon, who'd likely score 70-75+ points alongside Gaudreau.

Maybe Monahan + Stajan + 2017 1st for Mackinnon and Grigorenko?

i would do this 100/100

 

[Remember2004]

Eric Staal is way stronger on the puck and a much better skater. I think the Vanek comparison is decent from a skills perspective, but you'll note that those aren't necessarily great skills for a center.

I think he'd be a much better and more effective player on the wing.

In any case, Monahan is definitely a downgrade on Mackinnon, who'd likely score 70-75+ points alongside Gaudreau.

Maybe Monahan + Stajan + 2017 1st for Mackinnon and Grigorenko?

Our first this year could potentially be top 3... Its looking like top 5 for sure... Do Avs fans think its worth the "downgrade" I believe right now, their at the same level but Nathan's ceiling is much higher.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

Sorry Avs fans, but Monahan is not a downgrade from MacKinnon. More goals and more points and plays a much better 2 way game than MacKinnon. They are the same calibre. One of more two-way while the other is offensive. I'd gladly take the Toews clone over MacKinnon.

A Toews clone? Hardly. Above average defensively does not mean he is Toews, who is also one of the elite leaders in the league. One of the best face off guys as well.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

A Toews clone? Hardly. Above average defensively does not mean he is Toews, who is also one of the elite leaders in the league. One of the best face off guys as well.

People need to stop replying to every extreme post. It just leads to future bias against/uneducated statements for both sides. The Toews clone thing came out of left field by a crazy person.

 

[cgf]

If Colorado is looking for a shake up it wont happen by trading their best player and future of their team for a clear downgrade.

No chance Colorado makes this trade.

Exactly, even if flames fans like to pretend that Monahan isn't a clear downgrade because he's been able to feed off of Gaudreau and was hyped up as a two way guy in the draft.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Exactly, even if flames fans like to pretend that Monahan isn't a clear downgrade because he's been able to feed off of Gaudreau and was hyped up as a two way guy in the draft.

When has Mackinnon ever carried his own line? In jr Drouin helped a hell of a lot. His rookie season he had an insane Paul Stastny. Since then Duchene, who is better than him, and Mack had hardly played centre for quite awhile either

Oh, almost forgot O'Rielly, another better player he played with.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

lol ok ill bite, what makes sean more qualified than mack here.

It's more so that I see Sean as a traditional Center where I think Mack is probably better suited to be a number 1 winger.

I think Mack is more talented offensively though.

 

[Flameshomer]

I agree that the Andersson for wiercoch part of this trade sucks but I think it takes at least that to get the abs to listen.

Honestly I'd do that Monahan + 2017 1st + stajs for mack any day. The top of this draft isn't awesome imo. I think my Andersson offer is better for them

Also how awesome would a gaudreau-bennett-mack power play look

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

The top of this draft isn't awesome imo.

It's literally stacked with forwards, and right wingers at that.

Trading our first would be the centrepiece, not the add, in any trade, a la 2015 where we traded our first for Hamilton.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

It's more so that I see Sean as a traditional Center where I think Mack is probably better suited to be a number 1 winger.

I think Mack is more talented offensively though.

this is just silly, mackinonn is just as good defensively as monahan, and he's better offensively.

 

[Jarey Curry]

Both teams off to extremely disappointing starts. Maybe it's time to shake up the mix a little bit?

Monahan + Andersson for Mackinnon + Wiercoch

Mackinnon talks start with Gaudreau, nate will be in the same tier than johnny in a few years or sooner and he's that much younger also

 

[Murzu]

No thank you.

Varly + MacKinnon + Grigorenko for Brodie + Monahan + Lolliott

MacKinnon > Monahan
Varly >> Lolliott
Grigorenko <<< Brodie

I might be slaughtered.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

No thank you.

Varly + MacKinnon + Grigorenko for Brodie + Monahan + Lolliott

MacKinnon > Monahan
Varly >> Lolliott
Grigorenko <<< Brodie

I might be slaughtered.

So you suggest gut the Flames? Varlamov is not the same since injuries (groin?), it's still debatable for Mack and Monahan (neither side will agree) and if Brodie breaks out of his slump he's the best player on either team in a land slide.

 

[Murzu]

So you suggest gut the Flames? Varlamov is not the same since injuries (groin?), it's still debatable for Mack and Monahan (neither side will agree) and if Brodie breaks out of his slump he's the best player on either team in a land slide.

You would upgrade offense and on net, but downgrade hugely on defense.
And I think most of us here say MacKinnon > Monahan.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

You would upgrade offense and on net, but downgrade hugely on defense.
And I think most of us here say MacKinnon > Monahan.

And I still say Mack has not shown enough for that to currently be true.

And it's not an upgrade in net, it's really not at all.

Either way Brodie is a complete no go. You don't need him anyway, he plays the right side.

These two teams are crap trading partners