Proposal: Cgy - col

[Skobel24]

this is just silly, mackinonn is just as good defensively as monahan, and he's better offensively.

I actually agree with him somewhat. Based on what I've seen from Mac, his play style would work incredibly well on the wing. Not saying he's not a capable center or anything.

 

[Skobel24]

I agree that the Andersson for wiercoch part of this trade sucks but I think it takes at least that to get the abs to listen.

Honestly I'd do that Monahan + 2017 1st + stajs for mack any day. The top of this draft isn't awesome imo. I think my Andersson offer is better for them

Also how awesome would a gaudreau-bennett-mack power play look

Oh my god.

 

[Murzu]

And I still say Mack has not shown enough for that to currently be true.

And it's not an upgrade in net, it's really not at all.

Either way Brodie is a complete no go. You don't need him anyway, he plays the right side.

These two teams are crap trading partners

So you are saying that Lolliott >= Varlamov? I'm not buying.

 

[Skobel24]

No thank you.

Varly + MacKinnon + Grigorenko for Brodie + Monahan + Lolliott

MacKinnon > Monahan
Varly >> Lolliott
Grigorenko <<< Brodie

I might be slaughtered.

No to movie Brodie, even with his poor start this season. Flames also don't need Grigorenko.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

So you are saying that Lolliott >= Varlamov? I'm not buying.

He's had much better stats going back at least four years. And as I said, since injury, Varlamov is not the same.

Judging by your childish name for Elliot, there's no point in having this discussion.

 

[Skobel24]

So you are saying that Lolliott >= Varlamov? I'm not buying.

I would. Elliott has put up some pretty bad numbers this year, but a lot of that is due to the team playing poorly. I doubt Varlamov would do any better here.

 

[Murzu]

He's had much better stats going back at least four years. And as I said, since injury, Varlamov is not the same.

Judging by your childish name for Elliot, there's no point in having this discussion.

Well, my opinion is that he benefited hugely on playing on the Blues. I personally don't see him ever coming close to those numbers in Calgary. He might prove me wrong tho, but I'm not counting on that.

I've seen how good Varlamov can be. When he is healthy and on his game, he is close to top 5 goalie in this league. I believe he is healthy now (I think?), but his game just isn't there at the moment. You are correct, he hasn't been the same for a while. But he could bounce back.

But, IMO Varly > Elliott. Just my two cents. You can disagree all you want tho.

 

[Murzu]

I would. Elliott has put up some pretty bad numbers this year, but a lot of that is due to the team playing poorly. I doubt Varlamov would do any better here.

I guess there is no way telling how he would do. I believe better than Elliott but what do I know

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Well, my opinion is that he benefited hugely on playing on the Blues. I personally don't see him ever coming close to those numbers in Calgary. He might prove me wrong tho, but I'm not counting on that.

I've seen how good Varlamov can be. When he is healthy and on his game, he is close to top 5 goalie in this league. I believe he is healthy now (I think?), but his game just isn't there at the moment. You are correct, he hasn't been the same for a while. But he could bounce back.

But, IMO Varly > Elliott. Just my two cents. You can disagree all you want tho.

Varlamov is a lot like Pekke Rinne in the sense that his reputation will carry him more than his play has. His stats have been average at best for a few years. Like any middling goalie, if he's hot then he can look great. I'd like to see a goalie that looks poor when they're 'on their game'

 

[Skobel24]

I guess there is no way telling how he would do. I believe better than Elliott but what do I know

and that's fine. Everyone has their opinion. I wasn't trying to argue, I was just answering your question. I can definitely understand how someone could see Elliott having his stats padded due to the Blues system.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

The only people who believe that are out of touch Flames fans. I'd also like to see how many points would Toews 2.0 have, playing without Johnny Hockey, and how many would Nate rack up playing with him.

I think Nate is better than Monahan, but Nate has also played with great teammates and linemates. Monahan has also produced well in fact nearly similar goals in their rookie season with s*** tier linemates.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

He's had much better stats going back at least four years. And as I said, since injury, Varlamov is not the same.

Judging by your childish name for Elliot, there's no point in having this discussion.

Elliott the past few years:
2012-2013 2.28 .907
2013-2014 1.96 .922
2014-2015 2.26 .917
2015-2016 2.07 .930
Total: TOT:7,726 SA:3,470 Sv:3,194 SAA:26.95 GA:276 Sv%:.920 GAA:2.14

Varlamov:
2012-2013 3.02 .903
2013-2014 2.41 .927
2014-2015 2.56 .921
2015-2016 2.81 .914
Total: TOT:12,057 SA:6,525 Sv:5,992 SAA:32.47 Sv%:.918 GA:533 GAA:2.65

Elliott has a slightly better save percentage that was inflated by his final season with the Blues. If you discount last season, Elliott has a save percentage of .916 in the last three seasons. If you discount last season, Varlamov still has a save percentage of .920 if you discount last season. Elliott has a significantly better GAA because of the team he plays. Varlamov played at least 72 extra games in the last four seasons, while facing an average of 5.52 more shots. Yeah... Let's not even get into high danger chances, where Elliott only had to face a lot in his final season with the Blues, otherwise he's had an insanely easy workload. Yes none of these are true indications on who's better. However Save percentage and high danger save percentage are better indication. And Varlamov is only slightly worse than Elliott on a far worse team, whereas if you take away 2015-2016, Varlamov is better in those categories.

I am a Flames fan and I love Elliott, however I wouldn't say he's far better than Varlamov if even better at all. That being said because he's cheap and his contract ends this year, I'd much rather him than Varlamov.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I think Nate is better than Monahan, but Nate has also played with great teammates and linemates. Monahan has also produced well in fact nearly similar goals in their rookie season with s*** tier linemates.

Give me a break. People need to stop saying this. Good for Monahan to have almost as many goals as Mackinnon that year. But why do the people who keep saying this fail to point out that Mackinnon almost doubled him in points.

Monahan: 22 goals | 34 points
Mackinnon: 24 goals | 63 points

Johnny Gaudreau has been on the ice for 56% of Monahan's even strength points over his career. Gaudreau wasn't even in the NHL for almost 1/3'd of Monahan's career.

Yes Nathan Mackinnon has had some pretty decent linemates over his career but so has Monahan.

Monahan's stats would be much worse without Gaudreau.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Give me a break. People need to stop saying this. Good for Monahan to have almost as many goals as Mackinnon that year. But why do the people who keep saying this fail to point out that Mackinnon almost doubled him in points.

Monahan: 22 goals | 34 points
Mackinnon: 24 goals | 63 points

Johnny Gaudreau has been on the ice for 56% of Monahan's even strength points over his career. Gaudreau wasn't even in the NHL for almost 1/3'd of Monahan's career.

Yes Nathan Mackinnon has had some pretty decent linemates over his career but so has Monahan.

Monahan's stats would be much worse without Gaudreau.

Not much worse, worse yes, but not much worse. He's still a 50 point player minimum without Gaudreau.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Not much worse, worse yes, but not much worse. He's still a 50 point player minimum without Gaudreau.

Actually his ES production is inflated by about 25% with Gaudreau than away from him since Monahan's sophomore season (Gaudreau's first year in the league).

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Actually his ES production is inflated by about 25% with Gaudreau than away from him since Monahan's sophomore season (Gaudreau's first year in the league).

He also played a s*** system with a lot of guys trying to contain him. Monahan is still a 50 point player and who said he's a 50 point ES player? 50 point player overall is definitely achievable.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

He also played a s*** system with a lot of guys trying to contain him. Monahan is still a 50 point player and who said he's a 50 point ES player? 50 point player overall is definitely achievable.

I never said it wasn't achievable. I showed how much worse he is away from Gaudreau because you said he's "not much worse" away from Gaudreau. He is though.

 

[Siginla]

The only thing Mony has exactly like Towes is his amazing up beat personality in interviews. They both must have graduated from Darryl Sutters School of Enthusiasm .

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Varlamov is a lot like Pekke Rinne in the sense that his reputation will carry him more than his play has. His stats have been average at best for a few years. Like any middling goalie, if he's hot then he can look great. I'd like to see a goalie that looks poor when they're 'on their game'

Watch old video of Dan Cloutier.

 

[Skobel24]

Watch old video of Dan Cloutier.

I loved watching Captain Rebound. He'd make some massive saves, then throw out a rebound and let it in. If he had any form of rebound control, he'd have been a solid goalie.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Actually his ES production is inflated by about 25% with Gaudreau than away from him since Monahan's sophomore season (Gaudreau's first year in the league).

He also plays in a defensive position when not with Gaudreau, rather than a score first one.

 

[Volica]

The only thing Mony has exactly like Towes is his amazing up beat personality in interviews. They both must have graduated from Darryl Sutters School of Enthusiasm .

That's not even a Darryl thing, that's a Sutter thing

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