CFL 2024

[Arty Spooners Bsmnt]

What's with Brady Oliviera only having 11 carries? He should have had over 20 at a minimum.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

McManis said don't ride the wave, be the wave. What a guy. You love looking at turnovers and I thought of you when Lucky made that another brutal play. Whats he even doing? Replays showed he fumbled the ball on his own. What a clown. Can't secure a ball to save his job. Doubt he'll have one and I hope not here.

Agreed that Bombers didn't make much of turnovers they did get but Collaros wasn't even running the offense. Really incredible a QB with this much experience gets this lost, repeatedly, in the big game. I'm not sure he ever was able to relax. Going longball on first drive, to me that spelled trouble. I feel for Oliviera really, and he's on the sidelines I'm sure wondering WTF with this game plan. Argos didn't really even have to stop him. His own team did.

Perhaps a "Lucky fumble" can replace an "Argo bounce" in the CFL lexicon. One and the same today. It still felt like Winnipeg was in control of the game at that point, but when that fumble happened the seed of doubt began germinating. I was surprised Lucky was in the unemployment line half the season. Now I know why.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Perhaps a "Lucky fumble" can replace an "Argo bounce" in the CFL lexicon. One and the same today. It still felt like Winnipeg was in control of the game at that point, but when that fumble happened the seed of doubt began germinating. I was surprised Lucky was in the unemployment line half the season. Now I know why.

Just to add to the surreal the Argos have now beat the Bombers in every one of 8 Grey Cups they've faced them. Uncanny. Argos have also won their last 8 GC's they've been in. A string stretching decades that defies any probability. A lot of the wins have been underdog wins. A lot of the wins have been luck wins.

Last team to beat the Argos in a GC were the Eskimos in 1987 game in a wild and wooly last second FG win. Most people here weren't even born when the Argos last lost a GC. One of those ARgo wins was such a heartbreaker in 96. I felt we got jobbed in that one. Eskimos played so well, made so many plays in tough field positions, best ever GC, and we still lost. 80pts scored GC.

 

[timekeep]

Garbage time TD gives the Bombers a respectable amount of points scored. Toronto defence crushed them twice in the regular season why expect something different today? The demolished them again today. One long bomb and a big rush by Oliveira was about all the did.

The penalty on the blocked punt was ridiculous. The players should know the rules. He could have let the Argo recover the ball and just tackled him. It would have been a Bombers' first down. Too bad, so sad.

Solid game by Arbuckle. Over 36 minutes time of possession. The first pick he threw was like a punt, the second was Willie Jefferson being Willie Jefferson.


The rule isn't a punt interference rule, it's interference on a loose ball. The guy doesn't interfere and the Bombers would have got the ball no matter who recovered.

I know what the rule is, the thinking is that the ball could be advanced by the recovering team. I was just referring to the play as that was a significant call. The score, time, field position. I don't like that you can't get in the way of another player or interfere with someone recovering a fumble. But I'm aware of that penalty due to watching, playing and coaching for 50+ years. That Bombers player needed to know that too.

 

[rboomercat90]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858342060119802341

Wasn’t this a thing at Grey Cups in the 70’s?

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858342060119802341

The Grey Double D Cup.

 

[bellagiobob]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858397970825191432

Ouch.

 

[brentashton]

How about that Toronto mojo in Grey Cups? 8 wins in a row is unbelievable considering they haven't been favoured in any of the last five. The Argos have been average for 20 years and consistently win a quarter of the championships. Just one of those CFL things lol.

It balances out with 1967. You know?

 

[Gunnersaurus Rex]

Arbuckle the MVP. Lol. What a league.

So there's still hope for Taylor Cornelius?....nice !!

 

[brentashton]

Arbuckle the MVP. Lol. What a league.

I’m a sucker for a good story though. It’s not a full redemption but everyone can catch lightning in a bottle at just the right time.

 

[Duke74]

What's with Brady Oliviera only having 11 carries? He should have had over 20 at a minimum.

Especially with Collaros' hand injury. I'm not sure why someone who apparently never wore a glove before and had an injured hand was trying downfield bombs in the biggest game of the year.

 

[K1984]

Death, taxes, and the Argos winning a random Grey Cup every 3-5 years despite almost always being mediocre.

 

[bone]

Toronto Sports Clown Network stays with the Grey Cup telecast Argo wins till 9pm. lol. I've seen Edmonton GC wins on TSN where they cut out to regularly scheduled programming 15mins after the Win. What a laugh. I've ever never seen this long a postgame in any but ARgos wins. TSN being TSN.

I don't think I'll ever forgive TSN for having Lawless come on in pre-game for the last EE Grey Cup and essentially declare that our current coach was signed and sealed to go to Saskatchewan the next year despite him being still under contract. Very poor taste and classless move.

 

[bone]

Sure the players should know the rules but its a damn stupid rule. When a punt is blocked and no first down is gained with where ball is recovered it should be automatic turnover on downs. Ball possession, logically speaking is determined when play is blown dead. To have a rule that reverses that and somehow results in a first down and ball being retained is ridiculous. Its a joke of a rule. By all means call a penalty on loose ball foul, but where the ball is it should still be turnover on downs with penalty applied. It shouldn't be first down for the team that had the kick blocked.

Nothing wrong in what you're saying, just a stupid rule.

Or just apply a 10 yard penalty on the play applied at the point of infraction. If they happen to get the ball within 10 yards of the 1st down marker, then fine they get to keep the ball, but more often than not the team would not be, and it would still penalize the blocking team by diminishing their field position. Heck, even make it 15 yards, but automatic first down is dumb.

 

[bone]

Especially with Collaros' hand injury. I'm not sure why someone who apparently never wore a glove before and had an injured hand was trying downfield bombs in the biggest game of the year.

On the first play with the glove even. When the game was only a 9 point difference. You could see in his eyes in the huddle that he wasn't extremely confident in the glove. They needed to work some safe high percentage plays first, but instead they basically ended the game with that decision as it became a 16 point game and they had to go agressive from there on out.

 

[bone]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858397970825191432

Ouch.

Wow. Sometimes players just have sour grapes, but this feels kind of real seeing how Dickie isn't trying to change his role this coming season despite declining results year after year and his first action of off season was to let go and scapegoat all his staff including Killam who widely considered one of the best position coaches in the league.

Any coincidence that Calgary's fall seems to follow in line with Dinwiddie leaving Calgary and taking Toronto to 4 division finals and 2 Grey Cup wins in his first 4 years, meanwhile Calgary hasn't hosted nor won a playoff game since.

And the league just rewarded that team with the Grey Cup. I'll stay pissed about that announcement unless we hear that Edmonton didn't really want it despite them declaring that they did bid or until they announce Edmonton 2027.

 

[Stoneman89]

Maas/Fajardo was at least a plausible redemption story last year. Nick Arbuckle of all people walking in off the street and winning Grey Cup MVP is a bit much for me. Like f***ing really? The line between Cinderella story and lack of league credibility feels like it's in view here.

Apparently Arbuckle was going to retire before this season, after several years and numerous jumping from team to team with nothing but losing, incompetency and uselessness. And now he's a Grey Cup champion and MVP of the game. Only in the CFL, lmfao.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I’m a sucker for a good story though. It’s not a full redemption but everyone can catch lightning in a bottle at just the right time.

Sure. But watch him standing around there posing like he's Woodcroft as if he's responsible for all the success. He didn't even play particularly well, and didn't have to. The Argos D was dominant and constantly getting him the ball and he threw picks and fumbled the ball too. His job was to play relatively mistake free football and didn't even do that. He won too because Collaros had a legendary choke game. Thing is if the Bombers were gonna come in here and lay this turd it would be better for the riders to represent the west.

The other story was special teams. The Bombers losing Grant on returns and having the lightweight Lucky Whitehead instead served just notice of why its important to not lose such a player and replace with worse. It was one of the margins of victory.

But the bombers didn't even execute the offense in this game. This looked like a nervous nellys team getting to the GC for first time. Not one that had been there for 5 straight.

Arbuckle did make some good plays and throws but not even a particularly good start. Its a solid Argos club around him. The D determined the win.

Wow. Sometimes players just have sour grapes, but this feels kind of real seeing how Dickie isn't trying to change his role this coming season despite declining results year after year and his first action of off season was to let go and scapegoat all his staff including Killam who widely considered one of the best position coaches in the league.

Any coincidence that Calgary's fall seems to follow in line with Dinwiddie leaving Calgary and taking Toronto to 4 division finals and 2 Grey Cup wins in his first 4 years, meanwhile Calgary hasn't hosted nor won a playoff game since.

And the league just rewarded that team with the Grey Cup. I'll stay pissed about that announcement unless we hear that Edmonton didn't really want it despite them declaring that they did bid or until they announce Edmonton 2027.

I dunno. Classless of the player. Not defending anybody but whats the need to even go there in such a moment. Just enjoy the win without burying the past. Seems like bad karma and what team wants somebody saying stuff like this? Loose lips sink ships?

 

[brentashton]

Sure. But watch him standing around there posing like he's Woodcroft as if he's responsible for all the success. He didn't even play particularly well, and didn't have to. The Argos D was dominant and constantly getting him the ball and he threw picks and fumbled the ball too. His job was to play relatively mistake free football and didn't even do that. He won too because Collaros had a legendary choke game. Thing is if the Bombers were gonna come in here and lay this turd it would be better for the riders to represent the west.

The other story was special teams. The Bombers losing Grant on returns and having the lightweight Lucky Whitehead instead served just notice of why its important to not lose such a player and replace with worse. It was one of the margins of victory.

But the bombers didn't even execute the offense in this game. This looked like a nervous nellys team getting to the GC for first time. Not one that had been there for 5 straight.

Arbuckle did make some good plays and throws but not even a particularly good start. Its a solid Argos club around him. The D determined the win.


I dunno. Classless of the player. Not defending anybody but whats the need to even go there in such a moment. Just enjoy the win without burying the past. Seems like bad karma and what team wants somebody saying stuff like this? Loose lips sink ships?

C’mon. He quarterbacked the winning team to the championship.

 

[Drivesaitl]

C’mon. He quarterbacked the winning team to the championship.

Harris could've won yesterday. heh

Gonna be a lot of soul searching on the bus ride back to the peg. Would make me laugh if the expected monkeywrench happens and Bombers host GC next year with their team suddenly not in it. Would be such a CFL thing. Lots of long looks on the Bombers fans faces. You probably didn't mind seeing that.

Bombers imploded good and proper. Even at 10-9 I could smell the choke.

Anyway it just got colder in Winnipeg yesterday even without winter coming yet.

Then we get to see the Winnipeg Pegs coming down to Earth in NHL. Rites of Winter I guess.

 

[brentashton]

Harris could've won yesterday. heh

ok. Now your just trying to provoke me…

 

[Stoneman89]

Wow. Sometimes players just have sour grapes, but this feels kind of real seeing how Dickie isn't trying to change his role this coming season despite declining results year after year and his first action of off season was to let go and scapegoat all his staff including Killam who widely considered one of the best position coaches in the league.

Any coincidence that Calgary's fall seems to follow in line with Dinwiddie leaving Calgary and taking Toronto to 4 division finals and 2 Grey Cup wins in his first 4 years, meanwhile Calgary hasn't hosted nor won a playoff game since.

And the league just rewarded that team with the Grey Cup. I'll stay pissed about that announcement unless we hear that Edmonton didn't really want it despite them declaring that they did bid or until they announce Edmonton 2027.

He was just the QB coach there though, so not a major role. His QB to work with was Bo-Levi Mitchell in his prime, so that would explain some success. I think Calgary running out of good QBs to plug in from their factory has proven more to their demise than anything else.

 

[Stoneman89]

C’mon. He quarterbacked the winning team to the championship.

He seems like a really nice guy and his interview after was touching. As you said, some people get their 15 minutes of fame and he ran with his, so good for him, now he really can retire in peace, and hopefully he does, as a champion. However, still stand by my comments and others that it is such a CFL thing for a kicked around journeyman non-descript QB can be the starter in the biggest game of the year and win and be named CFL. Cinderella Story!

 

[bone]

He was just the QB coach there though, so not a major role. His QB to work with was Bo-Levi Mitchell in his prime, so that would explain some success. I think Calgary running out of good QBs to plug in from their factory has proven more to their demise than anything else.

You're probably right. But just an interesting observation nonetheless.

I think it's a bit more than just their QB though, that team looked thoroughly disinterested often times this year. I mean they didn't even appear pissed at being swept by Edmonton. In Calgary that's a cardinal sin and suggestive something is up with the room and leadership which Dave is very much an important part of as GM/HC and I'd suspect he's more than just a little involved with the offense.