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Kyle McMahon

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McManis said don't ride the wave, be the wave. What a guy. You love looking at turnovers and I thought of you when Lucky made that another brutal play. Whats he even doing? Replays showed he fumbled the ball on his own. What a clown. Can't secure a ball to save his job. Doubt he'll have one and I hope not here.

Agreed that Bombers didn't make much of turnovers they did get but Collaros wasn't even running the offense. Really incredible a QB with this much experience gets this lost, repeatedly, in the big game. I'm not sure he ever was able to relax. Going longball on first drive, to me that spelled trouble. I feel for Oliviera really, and he's on the sidelines I'm sure wondering WTF with this game plan. Argos didn't really even have to stop him. His own team did.

Perhaps a "Lucky fumble" can replace an "Argo bounce" in the CFL lexicon. One and the same today. It still felt like Winnipeg was in control of the game at that point, but when that fumble happened the seed of doubt began germinating. I was surprised Lucky was in the unemployment line half the season. Now I know why.
 
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Perhaps a "Lucky fumble" can replace an "Argo bounce" in the CFL lexicon. One and the same today. It still felt like Winnipeg was in control of the game at that point, but when that fumble happened the seed of doubt began germinating. I was surprised Lucky was in the unemployment line half the season. Now I know why.
Just to add to the surreal the Argos have now beat the Bombers in every one of 8 Grey Cups they've faced them. Uncanny. Argos have also won their last 8 GC's they've been in. A string stretching decades that defies any probability. A lot of the wins have been underdog wins. A lot of the wins have been luck wins.

Last team to beat the Argos in a GC were the Eskimos in 1987 game in a wild and wooly last second FG win. Most people here weren't even born when the Argos last lost a GC. One of those ARgo wins was such a heartbreaker in 96. I felt we got jobbed in that one. Eskimos played so well, made so many plays in tough field positions, best ever GC, and we still lost. 80pts scored GC.
 
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timekeep

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Garbage time TD gives the Bombers a respectable amount of points scored. Toronto defence crushed them twice in the regular season why expect something different today? The demolished them again today. One long bomb and a big rush by Oliveira was about all the did.

The penalty on the blocked punt was ridiculous. The players should know the rules. He could have let the Argo recover the ball and just tackled him. It would have been a Bombers' first down. Too bad, so sad.

Solid game by Arbuckle. Over 36 minutes time of possession. The first pick he threw was like a punt, the second was Willie Jefferson being Willie Jefferson.


The rule isn't a punt interference rule, it's interference on a loose ball. The guy doesn't interfere and the Bombers would have got the ball no matter who recovered.
I know what the rule is, the thinking is that the ball could be advanced by the recovering team. I was just referring to the play as that was a significant call. The score, time, field position. I don't like that you can't get in the way of another player or interfere with someone recovering a fumble. But I'm aware of that penalty due to watching, playing and coaching for 50+ years. That Bombers player needed to know that too.
 
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brentashton

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How about that Toronto mojo in Grey Cups? 8 wins in a row is unbelievable considering they haven't been favoured in any of the last five. The Argos have been average for 20 years and consistently win a quarter of the championships. Just one of those CFL things lol.
It balances out with 1967. You know?
 

Duke74

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What's with Brady Oliviera only having 11 carries? He should have had over 20 at a minimum.
Especially with Collaros' hand injury. I'm not sure why someone who apparently never wore a glove before and had an injured hand was trying downfield bombs in the biggest game of the year.
 

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Death, taxes, and the Argos winning a random Grey Cup every 3-5 years despite almost always being mediocre.
 

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Toronto Sports Clown Network stays with the Grey Cup telecast Argo wins till 9pm. lol. I've seen Edmonton GC wins on TSN where they cut out to regularly scheduled programming 15mins after the Win. What a laugh. I've ever never seen this long a postgame in any but ARgos wins. TSN being TSN.
I don't think I'll ever forgive TSN for having Lawless come on in pre-game for the last EE Grey Cup and essentially declare that our current coach was signed and sealed to go to Saskatchewan the next year despite him being still under contract. Very poor taste and classless move.
 

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Sure the players should know the rules but its a damn stupid rule. When a punt is blocked and no first down is gained with where ball is recovered it should be automatic turnover on downs. Ball possession, logically speaking is determined when play is blown dead. To have a rule that reverses that and somehow results in a first down and ball being retained is ridiculous. Its a joke of a rule. By all means call a penalty on loose ball foul, but where the ball is it should still be turnover on downs with penalty applied. It shouldn't be first down for the team that had the kick blocked.

Nothing wrong in what you're saying, just a stupid rule.

Or just apply a 10 yard penalty on the play applied at the point of infraction. If they happen to get the ball within 10 yards of the 1st down marker, then fine they get to keep the ball, but more often than not the team would not be, and it would still penalize the blocking team by diminishing their field position. Heck, even make it 15 yards, but automatic first down is dumb.
 
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Especially with Collaros' hand injury. I'm not sure why someone who apparently never wore a glove before and had an injured hand was trying downfield bombs in the biggest game of the year.
On the first play with the glove even. When the game was only a 9 point difference. You could see in his eyes in the huddle that he wasn't extremely confident in the glove. They needed to work some safe high percentage plays first, but instead they basically ended the game with that decision as it became a 16 point game and they had to go agressive from there on out.
 
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Wow. Sometimes players just have sour grapes, but this feels kind of real seeing how Dickie isn't trying to change his role this coming season despite declining results year after year and his first action of off season was to let go and scapegoat all his staff including Killam who widely considered one of the best position coaches in the league.

Any coincidence that Calgary's fall seems to follow in line with Dinwiddie leaving Calgary and taking Toronto to 4 division finals and 2 Grey Cup wins in his first 4 years, meanwhile Calgary hasn't hosted nor won a playoff game since.

And the league just rewarded that team with the Grey Cup. I'll stay pissed about that announcement unless we hear that Edmonton didn't really want it despite them declaring that they did bid or until they announce Edmonton 2027.
 
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