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OT: CF Montréal: L'Ère de Courtoisie

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1Dp, 1 Tam, everyone else is equal :o

I'm expecting the Islandic guy to be coming in still, probably a Tam too. He's injured but the first months are relatively easy on the schedule until May
 
Habnot said:
This thread has become a cesspool for the frustrated and is not a representation of the majority of the fan base. This team made the playoffs last year against all odds. They sold out most of the season. Made significant positive investments (players and coaching staff) in the offseason and yet the sky is falling.

Every move, every development only has one response. It's Joey's fault. This minority faction of the fan base will only be happy when Saputo sells the team and then they will be the first to cry that the franchise has moved.
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Looks like we found Joey's burner account
 
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Now now folks, @Habnot does have a point that the default mood about everything tends to be negative around here. I've certainly been guilty of it too! I know we've had plenty of reasons to be pessimistic about the management in the past, but we do have to judge the moves on their own merits as well. It's not ALL bad, not always at the very least.
 
Pompeius Magnus said:
Now now folks, @Habnot does have a point that the default mood about everything tends to be negative around here. I've certainly been guilty of it too! I know we've had plenty of reasons to be pessimistic about the management in the past, but we do have to judge the moves on their own merits as well. It's not ALL bad, not always at the very least.
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Agreed. Plenty of negative consistent trends in this club. ie, nepotism, drama, management churn… but this is more par for the course in football than hockey.

We got two double digit (proven mls) strikers and a veteran swiss army knife CM. The backline is always hard to predict but we kept our best ones at least. Edwards should be replaced, but we’ve have way worse offseasons, and still have a young core that should get better.

I get not having faith though… we’ve been burned too many times. I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re a playoff club again this season though
 
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Ghetto Sangria said:
Agreed. Plenty of negative consistent trends in this club. ie, nepotism, drama, management churn… but this is more par for the course in football than hockey.

We got two double digit (proven mls) strikers and a veteran swiss army knife CM. The backline is always hard to predict but we kept our best ones at least. Edwards should be replaced, but we’ve have way worse offseasons, and still have a young core that should get better.

I get not having faith though… we’ve been burned too many times. I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re a playoff club again this season though
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The team's performance depends highly on the youngsters performing at/above their potential. If they do, we win and sell them :dunno:
 
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Looks like Neymar is going to Chicago and this winter at that. I'm considering buying season tickets atp.


Then, you'll have Shillnot highfiving his bosses at the Saputo HQ in their next public relations meeting.
 
Ghetto Sangria said:
Agreed. Plenty of negative consistent trends in this club. ie, nepotism, drama, management churn… but this is more par for the course in football than hockey.

We got two double digit (proven mls) strikers and a veteran swiss army knife CM. The backline is always hard to predict but we kept our best ones at least. Edwards should be replaced, but we’ve have way worse offseasons, and still have a young core that should get better.

I get not having faith though… we’ve been burned too many times. I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re a playoff club again this season though
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So this is part of the problem. Ignorance. At no point have either of the two strikers in MLS ever gotten double digit goals. I mean if you want you to include non MLS Regular Season games like Leagues or US Open Cup then sure, Vrioni did it once. It was last year. In total, he has 16 MLS Goals in 67 Games. Owusu has only played 1 and a bit year and has 9 goals in 37 games (23 starts).

I'm going to cover this more in my reply down below but you say that stuff is part of Football, so what does that mean? That we should accept it? We should give our money and time and energy and love knowing all that and just accepting it for what it is because other low level teams do it?

Habnot said:
You completely missed my point. I don't expect bootlickers or rosy coloured glasses - just that not every comment is always the same thing - that Saputo sucks.

1. I have been around the Impact even longer than you - going back to the inception of the team. Setting aside his faults and I agree there are some blatant ones, I give him credit for all he has done for soccer in this city and province. He built this singlehandedly. He has spent a lot of money without any return (yes I understand he will recoup much of it if he ever sells). He got a MLS franchise for this city - something no one ever gives him credit for. He built a soccer facility without public funding. As for nepotism, every privately owned business/enterprise/entity is subject to this. Tell me who is the president of the New England Patriots?(That would be his son) How many of Jerry Jones's kids work for the Cowboys (3 is the right answer), who is the CEO of the Bruins? (that would be Jacobs son. How about the Chicago Black Hawks....and the list goes on and on.

2. Regarding Nancy - president's going to the players room after a game is part of soccer culture. Nancy wanted out and used it as an excuse. Saputo clearly wanted him back and I lost a little respect for Nancy the way he navigated his exit. Not saying the Saputo is not responsible - but context is important.

3. As for investments - you can be against the new track CF Montreal has taken (youngsters, development, sell) but how can you call Saputo cheap without mentioning all the top players/coaches he brought to Montreal (Drogba, DiViao, Piatti, Nesta, Henry to name a few) in the previous decade at a significant cost to the bottom line? He has proven in the past a willingness to spend in the past. Also, as Toronto has proven, spending does not equate to success.

4. I was against the rebranding big time and I blamed Saputo for that because ultimately this goes to the top. That being said, this was a Gilmore project and Gilmore was hired in response to many of the fanbase/media wanting Saputo with a hands off approach. He also somewhat admitted error and rectifies as best he could.

Now would I prefer some deep pocket Quebec owner to buy the team from Saputo? If you can guarantee that the team will not move, then yes. Do I believe that entity/owner exists? Not sure. Peladeau - probably the richest man in Quebec bought the ALs and still has not significantly spent a lot of money given that he bought he team for the debt. His still playing in a dilapidated. embarrassment of a stadium with no solution in sight. In terms of professionalism and investment, CF Montreal is light years ahead. The have their own stadium, not spectacular but acceptable and a state of the art training facility that again Saputo invested in.
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I don't care what Saputo did 20 years ago. That was then, this is now. He doesn't get a lifetime of love so that we can ignore all the bullshit because of something back then. I like how you say that he did it without public funding but ignore the fact that he got the land for free and that's the only reason he built there instead of somewhere else. And let's be honest here, our stadium is not state of the art and never has been. It's pretty bare bones and it cost 17 million back then which would be about 24 million today.

Now the nepotism angle because I love it. Dallas Cowboys - Irrelevant and a disaster every year since the 90's. The other examples that you use, I really don't know why you use them, as none of them have family members working in hockey operation. That's the issue. The family is constantly involved in the decision making of the team from a soccer perspective, similar to Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. The other ones aren't. This is a toy for him and his family to play with. It's not a professional soccer team.

You also say that he's invested a lot of money but he hasn't gotten the return. Why is that? First off all, of those names, only Drogba would be relevant. Henry was the coach. Nesta was well known but a defender and not exciting. Di Vaio and Piatti became stars. But regardless, it also proves the point that the team and family were not capable of capitalizing while having on field success. From a marketing perspective and corporate perspective, they've always been shit. And that's on them, not the fans, not the players, not the market. The owners ran things poorly. I'm pretty sure Joey has openly stated that he wants to keep ticket prices low so that it's affordable for families. While that's admirable in some way, doesn't help the bottom line or treat this team like a professional sports team.

Even this year, we "went out and got a DP right"? Nope. The expectation was that New England was going to buy him out until they basically gave him away for free (barely any GAM), and are covering a portion of his salary. My guess is that it's a lot.

Look at some of the signings in the past few weeks. We are regularly seeing teams spending more on an individual player than the entire team of CFMTL. Biggest reason is because they decided to invest a while ago and got good players that they sold and are starting the cycle over.

But look at those cities. You're trying to tell me that professional soccer can work financially in places like Columbus, Cincinnati, Charlotte, Atlanta, San Diego, Portland, San Jose, and others, but a city like Montreal has to be run like a team that should be relegated? Our budget actually decreased this year. Think about that.

You need to take the blue and black colored goggles off and really look at the big picture of the team. It is not pretty, and the belief that it's run more professionally than the Als, despite how you said there's so much nepotism already, is scary, and why this team can do what it does, because the majority of fans have blinders on their face.
 
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This is my last comment on this because I know it is futile.

You are more invested in your hate of Saputo than being fan of the team. I love soccer, this is my home team - I support through thick and thin.

Is Saputo the best owner possible? At this point no - he seems more invested in Bologna. That being said, this is the team and my choices are to enjoy the team as is or let the negative cloud my experience. To each his own.

Respectfully.
 
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