Celebrini for CALDER

[CHALUPA]

My argument to that is that Celebrini’s having the most impressive season since Crosby. The underlying numbers of Celebrini as an 18 year old are unprecedented. If voters only look at stats he will lose. If they watch the games there is no argument Celebrini is having the more impressive season.

You’re underselling Hutson’s numbers. His points as a rookie d-man are eye-popping

 

[Jargon]

Watching Bedard yesterday and comparing him to Celebrini, right now, in the NHL, there’s just no contest. I think they both had whatever games against each other but Celebrini makes an impact all over the ice, so even on a bad day he’s visible. Other than call the ref something terrible, Bedard did nothing.

 

[one2gamble]

You’re underselling Hutson’s numbers. His points as a rookie d-man are eye-popping

Yea, is honestly be surprised if he doesn't win. 8 think Macklin has to outscore him by 10+

 

[KarlssonsGroin]

The years that goalies have won were also in years with no strong skaters. This year 2 skaters are having seasons that would run away with the award most years. I do think Wolf should get consideration but he likely won’t get enough.

It will be fascinating to see the East coast bias clash with the give it to the guy who will have the best career bias.

I think Celebrini will take it by hair.

its odd, the east coast bias thing exists in most years but the east coast seems more enamoured with celebrini than hutson. theres also wolf to split the canada vote, and michkov would influence the vote as well.

I think a big thing is celebrini likely is ranked 2nd at lowest where the above 4 could be mix-matched.

betting odds still have him at -190, meaning heavy favourite right now

 

[TheBeard]

its odd, the east coast bias thing exists in most years but the east coast seems more enamoured with celebrini than hutson. theres also wolf to split the canada vote, and michkov would influence the vote as well.

I think a big thing is celebrini likely is ranked 2nd at lowest where the above 4 could be mix-matched.

betting odds still have him at -190, meaning heavy favourite right now

I think the fact he may not even win the rookie scoring title, let alone to a defenseman (regardless of games missed) almost makes it a forgone conclusion that one of the two playoff players (if they make it) will win.

My argument to that is that Celebrini’s having the most impressive season since Crosby. The underlying numbers of Celebrini as an 18 year old are unprecedented. If voters only look at stats he will lose. If they watch the games there is no argument Celebrini is having the more impressive season.

At the end of the day stats count for 75% if it. 20% goes to the influence on the team’s overall improvement and 5% just on wow factor.

 

[gaucholoco3]

You’re underselling Hutson’s numbers. His points as a rookie d-man are eye-popping

He might accumulate points but they are not from him driving play. Getting secondary assists is not as impressive. He also has infinitely better teammates and easier competition than Celebrini.

So while his numbers are eye popping I’m not impressed

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[CHALUPA]

He might accumulate points but they are not from him driving play. Getting secondary assists is not as impressive. He also has infinitely better teammates and easier competition than Celebrini.

So while his numbers are eye popping I’m not impressed

I greatly prefer Macklin as a player, don’t get me wrong. I’m just won’t be surprised if Hutson wins it, because he’s hitting legendary territory for rookie point totals for a defenseman.

 

[gaucholoco3]

I think a big thing is celebrini likely is ranked 2nd at lowest where the above 4 could be mix-matched.

betting odds still have him at -190, meaning heavy favourite right now

I think this is very real and could explain why the betting markets consider him the favorite. I could see Wolf or Hudson 3rd or 4th on some ballots but I find it hard for Celebrini to get any 4th place votes. He will likely be 1 or 2 in most ballots.