2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[Jargon]

He didn't say when, nor did he say how big. He said they are not gunna be aggressive or rush the process. And he definitely did not set himself up to make a legit run next year.

I'm not saying that its impossible, Just I wouldn't count on it. I think he'll be active in UFA though, but mostly all short term deal.

There’s no possible way he’s going to make a legit run next year as that’s essentially impossible.

But I think he absolutely wants (and I think honestly needs) to put together a team that can win more than 20 games a season before the life gets sucked out of guys like Eklund.

Yes, Isles fans are pushing him out the door. They're wondering if they shouldn't just re-sign Tony DeAngelo instead of committing a big contract to Dobson. Miller makes some comical defensive blunders at times but he is absolutely better than Dobson defensively on the whole. Dobson's value will be higher on the trade market purely from being a RHD, but if Dobson were a lefty or Miller were a righty, I'd value them just about the same.

I’ve said it before but something about Miller just really strikes me as a Grier-type of trade. Big, skates well, maybe needs a change of scenery…

 

[coooldude]

Magic number is 27. Roughly 14 Sharks losses OR CHI wins and we've locked up last place.

With 15 games to go, and our schedule harder than theirs, not quite but nearly a formality. A loss on Thursday drops the number to 23 and gives us near certainty.

At this point, honestly, I'd love to see us blow them out, keep Bedard off the score sheet, make Levshunov look bad. But at this point, woof, with Schuldt in and Mukh our best defender, I'm not counting on it.

 

[Jargon]

Magic number is 27. Roughly 14 Sharks losses OR CHI wins and we've locked up last place.

With 15 games to go, and our schedule harder than theirs, not quite but nearly a formality. A loss on Thursday drops the number to 23 and gives us near certainty.

At this point, honestly, I'd love to see us blow them out, keep Bedard off the score sheet, make Levshunov look bad. But at this point, woof, with Schuldt in and Mukh our best defender, I'm not counting on it.

The strange thing about the Sharks is despite being totally gutted they’ve had periods where they’ve looked good still. It’s mostly on the back of our young guys, but I can them taking out all their frustrations on Chicago and winning. And I hope they do.

 

[STL Shark]

He didn't say when, nor did he say how big. He said they are not gunna be aggressive or rush the process. And he definitely did not set himself up to make a legit run next year.

I'm not saying that its impossible, Just I wouldn't count on it. I think he'll be active in UFA though, but mostly all short term deal.

Don't be dense. He literally talked about it being the time to maybe start cashing in the 1st round picks they've acquired the last month and some of the prospects we've accumulated to try and start building this thing back up with a group ready to compete.

Sure, we're not handing out a 7 year deal at insane money to Mitch Marner, but we're going to make some significant moves to be much better next year (particularly on defense). We're not going into next year with Ferraro, Muk, Liljegren, and Vlasic as our Top 4 on defense.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

…we're not going into next year with Ferraro, Muk, Liljegren, and Vlasic as our Top 4 on defense.

Why would you put this ju ju on us?

 

[Jargon]

Don't be dense. He literally talked about it being the time to maybe start cashing in the 1st round picks they've acquired the last month and some of the prospects we've accumulated to try and start building this thing back up with a group ready to compete.

Sure, we're not handing out a 7 year deal at insane money to Mitch Marner, but we're going to make some significant moves to be much better next year (particularly on defense). We're not going into next year with Ferraro, Muk, Liljegren, and Vlasic as our Top 4 on defense.

Agreed. I think Grier is extremely honest and when he says something he very much means it.

For some strange reason I have this feeling he might already have a framework for a deal or a couple of deals with some teams for this summer (someone like Nemec, or Hamilton, or whatever). This is based on nothing other than when we heard the Sharks were going to bring in another goalie and soon after we got Askarov, which we found out Grier had had in the works for months.

Could be wrong but I think Grier has a big summer planned.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Agreed. I think Grier is extremely honest and when he says something he very much means it.

For some strange reason I have this feeling he might already have a framework for a deal or a couple of deals with some teams for this summer (someone like Nemec, or Hamilton, or whatever). This is based on nothing other than when we heard the Sharks were going to bring in another goalie and soon after we got Askarov, which we found out Grier had had in the works for months.

Could be wrong but I think Grier has a big summer planned.

I would guess Grier knows what it would take to get Hamilton or Nemec. I think Hamilton would be the better value deal especially if we’re able to dump Goodrow and Thrun back in the process. Then you only need to get one free agent middle pairing level RHD or trade for another one. But getting Hamilton will probably do the most individual good for the team this off-season.

 

[StanleyCup2035]

We're back! G-d help our lottery odds

 

[Friday]

We're back! G-d help our lottery odds

Haha I was getting nervous tbh

 

[sharski]

if the league isn't gonna adopt the standings-after-eliminated-from-playoffs idea, i think they should at LEAST do a best-of-7 between the bottom 2 teams for the top pick

 

[TheBeard]

if the league isn't gonna adopt the standings-after-eliminated-from-playoffs idea, i think they should at LEAST do a best-of-7 between the bottom 2 teams for the top pick

So does the winner get top pick or the loser?

 

[sharski]

So does the winner get top pick or the loser?

winner

probably not the best idea in terms of fairness, but i desperately want to see a league try something where teams are either trying to win games in order to make the playoffs, or once they've been eliminated from that race, trying to win games in order to win the top draft pick

simply having the bottom 2 teams play for it is a simpler idea though and I think would be maybe easier to get buy in from all the teams

 

[TheBeard]

winner

probably not the best idea in terms of fairness, but i desperately want to see a league try something where teams are either trying to win games in order to make the playoffs, or once they've been eliminated from that race, trying to win games in order to win the top draft pick

simply having the bottom 2 teams play for it is a simpler idea though and I think would be maybe easier to get buy in from all the teams

The only drawback is this actually increases the chances for both last place teams. I like how it is now personally where even finishing dead last doesn’t give you more than a 25% chance.

 

[Cas]

Frankly I think they're all gimmicks that don't really change anything and believe in strict reverse standings drafting.

 

[sampler]

The only drawback is this actually increases the chances for both last place teams. I like how it is now personally where even finishing dead last doesn’t give you more than a 25% chance.

I agree. Finishing dead last does help, but only moderately. that said, I kinda like the idea of something that makes the last games important for non-PO teams. I think whatever you make is likely to have ways that it too can be gamed, so the current system may be the best. I also like that they have the lottery for the first TWO picks, so a tanking team still has better than 50/50 to end up picking 3rd.

Of course, I reallllllllly wanna win the lottery and get schaefer. I think one more bona fide top pair D to compliment dick and mukh will complete the future team for the next 10-15 years...

I am already counting the days to early May when the lottery happens.

 

[CaptainShark]

If we can’t get Schaefer, that kind of puts us in a pickle…

That’s why I created the poll (now merged)…. What do you do in that case?

 

[sampler]

If we can’t get Schaefer, that kind of puts us in a pickle…

Well, it likely means having to package Eklund+Futures to bring in a young NHL D. It's not an ideal scenario, though no Schaefer doesnt mean no one comes. We would get Misa or martone (I doubt hagens) as a nice consolation prize. Such a pick makes trading Eklund far more palatable, since its fair to assume Misa is on par with Smith or the like.

And on Defense, in addition to mukh who looks like a solid top 4 NHL D, I mean we do have a top 5 scoring AHL scoring Dman at 20 years old. Arguably the top Dman in the entire CHL (2nd in pts, first in +/-, and 6'3, 210 size), and a top pairing D on a top program in Denver going nearly point per game and +23. We also have two teenagers in the SHL/Allsvenskan. So, the cupboard isnt bare or anything, but, man, Schaefer would sure be an amazing add.

 

[CaptainShark]

I know it’s very reasonable to consider trading Ekky + for a great young d, but given that he was the first real glimpse of hope during the darkest days and given his great development + personality, I just don’t want to go there (irrational, I know)

 

[Patty Ice]

If we can’t get Schaefer, that kind of puts us in a pickle…

Of what? Drafting another high impact forward?

First world problems.

 

[The Nemesis]

If we can’t get Schaefer, that kind of puts us in a pickle…

That’s why I created the poll (now merged)…. What do you do in that case?

It's not really a pickle. If the Sharks fall out of 1st they still probably come away with Misa or Hagens. It's not the ideal fit, but having too many strong forward prospects is a great "problem" to have.

 

[Roasted Nuts]

If we can’t get Schaefer, that kind of puts us in a pickle…

That’s why I created the poll (now merged)…. What do you do in that case?

Easy, we’ll just start the 2026 tank thread “Fall off for Verheoff”

 

[Roasted Nuts]

I know it’s very reasonable to consider trading Ekky + for a great young d, but given that he was the first real glimpse of hope during the darkest days and given his great development + personality, I just don’t want to go there (irrational, I know)

We won’t like it, but that’s Griers plan going forward. Everyone under 6 foot is gonna get shipped out for grinders like Ostapchuks. We’re not gonna win with a team full of Smurfs.

 

[Jargon]

I know it’s very reasonable to consider trading Ekky + for a great young d, but given that he was the first real glimpse of hope during the darkest days and given his great development + personality, I just don’t want to go there (irrational, I know)

Same here. I’d get it (though the return would really have to count) but it would hurt a lot. I’d hate to see Ek go.