Celebrini for Calder

[BaileyMacTavish]

Uhhhhh. So...... yeah.... rough game

 

[StrawHatEklund]

Man, I swear the main board is unbelievable with the Michkov mafia as someone else originally put it. They’re quiet until Michkov has a big game and then they’re in your faces and often posting stats with 0 context. And always 2-4 guys throwing shade at Celebrini.

 

[karltonian]

Man, I swear the main board is unbelievable with the Michkov mafia as someone else originally put it. They’re quiet until Michkov has a big game and then they’re in your faces and often posting stats with 0 context. And always 1-3 guys throwing shade at Celebrini.

Here's hoping Celebrini makes it moot soon.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Man, I swear the main board is unbelievable with the Michkov mafia as someone else originally put it. They’re quiet until Michkov has a big game and then they’re in your faces and often posting stats with 0 context. And always 2-4 guys throwing shade at Celebrini.

They are exceedingly unlikable. Most Philly fans are great, but those 4 are unbearable

 

[coooldude]

They are exceedingly unlikable. Most Philly fans are great, but those 4 are unbearable

It's the same small handful of trolls that made me ignore the Michkov and Demidov threads.

 

[SjMilhouse]

Man, I swear the main board is unbelievable with the Michkov mafia as someone else originally put it. They’re quiet until Michkov has a big game and then they’re in your faces and often posting stats with 0 context. And always 2-4 guys throwing shade at Celebrini.

1. Everyone but Philly is dumb for not drafting Michkov and clearly everyone underrated him and no one talked about him as being a top 2 talent and the other GMs are just dumb (none of which is true)
2. Everything Michkov does is amazing and the only thing that matters for the calder and everything everyone else does is not important. 3v3 OT Goals > 5v5 goals.
3. Points on the 3rd line against 3rd line competition is more impressive than points on a 1st line against other teams best because 3rd line is harder or something I have no idea on this one
4. Michkov is literally jesus

You can't have a legit discussion on there. I just hope Celebrini continues to score because if it's close on points, he should take it over Michkov because the media sees the value in all the other stuff he does on the ice. And I want to see the meltdown

 

[fasterthanlight]

1. Everyone but Philly is dumb for not drafting Michkov and clearly everyone underrated him and no one talked about him as being a top 2 talent and the other GMs are just dumb (none of which is true)

This part is the most wild to me. I tried to engage in a conversation with them about michkov telling AZ and WSH to not draft him, and the implications of that for other teams who passed on him (is it possible he also told the same, e.g., to SJ?).

Huge mistake --- according to their version of history, 1) Michkov had perfect interviews, 2) never told any teams to not draft him (even the ones confirmed by his agent), and 3) he was always an underdog prospect, and now he's proving those idiot GMs who passed on him wrong.

In reality, he was the obvious number 2 in the draft and he dropped through a mix of known factors like his KHL contract, telling teams like AZ and WSH (and more?) to not draft him.

 

[coooldude]

This part is the most wild to me. I tried to engage in a conversation with them about michkov telling AZ and WSH to not draft him, and the implications of that for other teams who passed on him (is it possible he also told the same, e.g., to SJ?).

Huge mistake --- according to their version of history, 1) Michkov had perfect interviews, 2) never told any teams to not draft him (even the ones confirmed by his agent), and 3) he was always an underdog prospect, and now he's proving those idiot GMs who passed on him wrong.

In reality, he was the obvious number 2 in the draft and he dropped through a mix of known factors like his KHL contract, telling teams like AZ and WSH (and more?) to not draft him.

I posted in there the sources (Briere quoted in the Philly Examiner) that he said he wanted to play in a hockey market. Pretty obvious that he made it clear enough to ANA, CBJ, SJS, PHX, and of course WSH that he wasn't excited about them. It's just trolling to deny it.

 

[hohosaregood]

They are exceedingly unlikable. Most Philly fans are great, but those 4 are unbearable

They've always been like that. For whatever reason, Flyers prospects have always dominated the prospect boards like I have heard way too much about Morgan Frost, Aube Kubel, and Sanheim for no good reason.

 

[LilLeeroy]

I posted in there the sources (Briere quoted in the Philly Examiner) that he said he wanted to play in a hockey market. Pretty obvious that he made it clear enough to ANA, CBJ, SJS, PHX, and of course WSH that he wasn't excited about them. It's just trolling to deny it.

He likes a factor about a company in a job interview means he would have refused to go to any company that wanted to hire him. It's not trolling to deny that the "Michkov forced his way to the Flyers" conspiracy doesn't really make a lot of sense when you think about it, especially when before the draft it was "Michkov is forcing his way to the Capitals".

 

[coooldude]

He likes a factor about a company in a job interview means he would have refused to go to any company that wanted to hire him. It's not trolling to deny that the "Michkov forced his way to the Flyers" conspiracy doesn't really make a lot of sense when you think about it, especially when before the draft it was "Michkov is forcing his way to the Capitals".

If you don't think what HeadLiceHatty, FlyGuyOx, Fantomas, Kshahdoo, and even Pavel are doing in re: their posts about Michkov in every corner of HFB is trolling, I don't know what to tell you.

Michkov didn't "force" his way to Philly. There is ample proof and sources that he absolutely tried to sway the outcome. You're picking 2-4, there's no way you spend that pick on a kid who seems pretty lukewarm about signing long term and being core, even if he is as talented as Michkov.

And no, the pre draft rumors weren't that he wanted to go to the caps. It was very chaotic and I know you were following too, but it also came out pre draft that he might not want to go to Washington and that was confirmed after the draft.

I wanted us to pick him but I get why Grier didn't, and it is definitely trolling to be in multiple threads, many of which aren't the Calder thread, telling everyone else that any franchise that didn't pick him including Chicago 100% messed up, and to say it all the time and incessantly.

 

[OverTheLine]

Man, I swear the main board is unbelievable with the Michkov mafia as someone else originally put it. They’re quiet until Michkov has a big game and then they’re in your faces and often posting stats with 0 context. And always 2-4 guys throwing shade at Celebrini.

I am unfortunately addicted to engaging with them. The few worst offenders are showing up in threads that don't even have anything to do with Michkov (like the Bedard v Celebrini poll) and making it about him. I understand loving your guy (I like him too, most because I have a huge soft-spot for talented Russian wingers), but the obsession with denigrating the competition is... absurd.

Reminds me a lot of Ovechkin fans deluding themselves into thinking Crosby was a lesser player back in the day. I loved Ovechkin, still do (his politics bother me though), so I kind of get it, but the way in which people support their man by hating on the rival feels so unintuitive to me. Like... why love one guy and hate the other when you can just appreciate transcendent hockey and enjoy both?

 

[fasterthanlight]

I posted in there the sources (Briere quoted in the Philly Examiner) that he said he wanted to play in a hockey market. Pretty obvious that he made it clear enough to ANA, CBJ, SJS, PHX, and of course WSH that he wasn't excited about them. It's just trolling to deny it.

Thank you for that post there, I felt much less gas lit after you posted it! But really, I should just block those threads, what happens on hfboards does not matter much ha

 

[matt trick]

Loved Michkov (saw ‘23 draft as a clear big 4 that Smith made an excellent top 5), but I totally respected Grier’s choice to pass (center, Russian, invasion of Ukraine and it’s impact, size, speed, and Grier’s comments on ‘interviewing everyone we wanted to’), but his hockey sense is unreal.

I also liked Demidov, particularly once it came out he’s 6’1, but I was desperate for Celebrini- thank God! All this to say while I’m not hoping for Demidov to fail, please God, don’t let him be the second coming. Michkov hype multiplied by Habs fanaticism would make this place a nightmare, particularly if he plays at Michkov’s level (as Celebrini will become public enemy #1).

 

[Timo Time]

Michkov is on a tear

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Another donut. I'm sad...

 

[The Nemesis]

Another donut. I'm sad...

He's a bust. Bedard is clearly better.

 

[karltonian]

Another donut. I'm sad...

He's still making plays that have chances. Hard to ask much more given how bad the team was outclassed in the past 2. The need for some size and physicality on the top line is evident against these teams.

 

[Levie]

He's a bust. Bedard is clearly better.

Wouldn't go 1st overall in an average year.

 

[The Nemesis]

Wouldn't go 1st overall in an average year.

He'd be lucky to be a 1st rounder in a decent draft year.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Next week opponents are much easier, so let's hope for some entertaining hockey. Florida byeee

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

I subbed to Evolving hockey for the cards. Mack's is as good as ever. God like 5v5. PP being a teamwide issue is why his PP metrics are "bad". But a shit system will stifle even the greatest of players

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

Loved Michkov (saw ‘23 draft as a clear big 4 that Smith made an excellent top 5), but I totally respected Grier’s choice to pass (center, Russian, invasion of Ukraine and it’s impact, size, speed, and Grier’s comments on ‘interviewing everyone we wanted to’), but his hockey sense is unreal.

I also liked Demidov, particularly once it came out he’s 6’1, but I was desperate for Celebrini- thank God! All this to say while I’m not hoping for Demidov to fail, please God, don’t let him be the second coming. Michkov hype multiplied by Habs fanaticism would make this place a nightmare, particularly if he plays at Michkov’s level (as Celebrini will become public enemy #1).

Grier’s done a hell of a job, but unless Michkov flat out said he didn’t want play for SJ, you take him at #4 10 times out of 10. And to not even interview him (if that was the case) is even more bizarre. The Russia/Ukraine stuff was silly, xenophobic nonsense. Fedotov came over from the KHL, right in the middle of the invasion, well before that draft.

That said, I am obviously very pleased we have Mack and I think he will be at least as good a player.

 

[coooldude]

Grier’s done a hell of a job, but unless Michkov flat out said he didn’t want play for SJ, you take him at #4 10 times out of 10. And to not even interview him (if that was the case) is even more bizarre. The Russia/Ukraine stuff was silly, xenophobic nonsense. Fedotov came over from the KHL, right in the middle of the invasion, well before that draft.

That said, I am obviously very pleased we have Mack and I think he will be at least as good a player.

I think they interviewed him, I don't think he was positive in the interview. Has been confirmed:
- he didn't want ARI or WSH
- he told Philly he wanted to be in a "hockey market" and that he specifically wanted Philly
- met in secret before the draft with Philly by traveling there

My bet is he was extremely lukewarm with his interview with SJS and they decided, even if he hits his ceiling, he's going to either slow roll leaving Russia or will not want to sign with us long term, so, why not grab a player who could be a huge part of the rebuild at a more important position who also is very enthusiastic about joining our franchise.

I may not like it, but I understand it.

 

[Jargon]

I think they interviewed him, I don't think he was positive in the interview. Has been confirmed:
- he didn't want ARI or WSH
- he told Philly he wanted to be in a "hockey market" and that he specifically wanted Philly
- met in secret before the draft with Philly by traveling there

My bet is he was extremely lukewarm with his interview with SJS and they decided, even if he hits his ceiling, he's going to either slow roll leaving Russia or will not want to sign with us long term, so, why not grab a player who could be a huge part of the rebuild at a more important position who also is very enthusiastic about joining our franchise.

I may not like it, but I understand it.

Grier does not strike me as a GM that drafts players who clearly do not want to be drafted by him. It's also very fairly entitled and when your job is to build a *team* for the future (not a collection of superstars), having personalities that work together and want to play for each other is just as important as skill.