Confirmed with Link: CDH and Saarela to CHI for Forsling and Anton Forsberg

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Lots of times, I just quote posts to provide additional context for my "extreme statements" and don't intend to disparage the person who posted it. Sorry.

I’ve taken it personally and irreparable damage has been done.

Jk my feelings got better it’s cool.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

WE GOT A FIRST-ROUND PICK. Again, why are we ignoring this like it's not a huge deal?!?

Because I don’t think it’s as big of a deal as you’re making it out to be? It’s a lottery protected pick of a team that’s (at the very least) expected to make the playoffs this upcoming year.

The Leafs picked 22nd this year (or would have, had they had the pick). Let’s assume they’re in that low 20s range next year as well. So we draft a young prospect that may or may not contribute to the team 3-5 years down the line.

And that’s fine and dandy, and I’m all for nabbing as many of those as we can, but I’m kind of tired of being excited for the future. I’d much rather be excited for the present, and this offseason has made that kind of difficult.

 

[zman77]

 

[Blueline Bomber]

 

[Roboturner913]

Forsling comes in to compete with Fleury and Bean. Still a glut of dmen.

All of those guys are making $800-900K though.

I liked having premium 3rd pairing d-men. It got us out of some jams. But if Bean anywhere near meets expectations and TVR is good to go, we're still in better shape than 90% of the league on D.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Hello Caniacs.



The timing of this trade is certainly interesting. VGK is waiting to clear cap for a Karlsson extension in the next day or so.

I wonder if Carolina would move out Faulk and bring in Miller, and possibly a forward from VGK.

Only if his name is Marchessault.

honestly I think they signed him because the number was in the go zone a couple days into free agency. value in the transaction, ka-ching went the cash drawer.

de Haan's signing was a bit unexpected in its own right, about a week or two shy of a year ago, if I recall correctly.

The de Haan signing did come out of nowhere last season, and makes a *ton* of sense if Faulk was gone. It's fairly obvious that the reason we traded for Hamilton was to *replace* Faulk, and when Faulk didn't go, it made less sense. Maybe we showed interest in de Haan on the same contingency (that Faulk was going to get traded). It's starting to feel that we did a lot of things last summer based on the expectation that Faulk would get moved, only to have to "undo" some of them now that he's still around.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

All of those guys are making $800-900K though.

I liked having premium 3rd pairing d-men. It got us out of some jams. But if Bean anywhere near meets expectations and TVR is good to go, we're still in better shape than 90% of the league on D.

No doubt, I just mean the roster/lineup still isn’t clear. It’s actually nice to say “best one out of Forsling, Fleury, and Bean gets the roster spot”, similar to the competitions at forward that Brind’Amour likes so much.

 

[zman77]

 

[Dishface]

f***. DW is bipolar. He either fleeces or gets fleeced.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Only if his name is Marchessault.



The de Haan signing did come out of nowhere last season, and makes a *ton* of sense if Faulk was gone. It's fairly obvious that the reason we traded for Hamilton was to *replace* Faulk, and when Faulk didn't go, it made less sense. Maybe we showed interest in de Haan on the same contingency (that Faulk was going to get traded). It's starting to feel that we did a lot of things last summer based on the expectation that Faulk would get moved, only to have to "undo" some of them now that he's still around.

And now we’re making moves on the assumption that Faulk will stick around, while simultaneously being far apart in negotiations with him? We really couldn’t be that stupid, right?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Why couldn't it be a 1st and a 3rd for de Haan?

I’m not following. Are you suggesting that the Canes could have gotten a 1st and 3rd for de Hann, who is having shoulder surgery for the 2nd straight season and won’t be ready to start the season? If that is what you are saying, then I disagree with your valuation.

Was there some condition to the marleau trade that de Haan needed to be dumped within a week? It is just bad asset management. If cost is the only reason, why pick up any contract? Hell, just put him on waivers and let him get claimed.

Maybe they wanted to control where he went (ie, not in the Metro) .

 

[Roboturner913]

If we still end up trading Faulk I would not be that shocked. It kind of depends on how good they think Bean is jumping right into a top-4 role.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Because I don’t think it’s as big of a deal as you’re making it out to be? It’s a lottery protected pick of a team that’s (at the very least) expected to make the playoffs this upcoming year.

The Leafs picked 22nd this year (or would have, had they had the pick). Let’s assume they’re in that low 20s range next year as well. So we draft a young prospect that may or may not contribute to the team 3-5 years down the line.

And that’s fine and dandy, and I’m all for nabbing as many of those as we can, but I’m kind of tired of being excited for the future. I’d much rather be excited for the present, and this offseason has made that kind of difficult.

I'd like to revisit this post later, where you mitigate the importance of first-round draft picks, even those in the 20s. That's a lot of mental gymnastics to make a trade look bad. We *didn't* get a first for Skinner and this board almost imploded.

 

[zman77]

 

[ONO94]

No--I didn't mind the draft or draft picks. I didn't like the strategy of trading down to get more picks in rounds where impact players are more rare. The canes currently have a good farm system and had 10 picks in this draft and I believe 10 next year. They have, I hope, a good scouting staff and should be able to keep the farm strong with those numbers. What the canes lack are impact offensive players and history shows those players are harder to find after the 3rd round especially. So a strategy that gains more darts thrown at dartboards with ever decreasing scoring areas--I just see the point.

Maybe the canes are smarter than the rest of the NHL, let's hope that they are. But history isn't on their side. And looking at trades like this--I don't hold out great hope that management will convert prospects into impact offensive players.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I’d much rather be excited for the present, and this offseason has made that kind of difficult.

This off-season has barely begun. And I’d much rather be excited for the present AND the future.

 

[bleedgreen]

If we had to clear cap because of the Marleau trade then eff the Marleau trade. A late first isn’t worth moving DeHaan for to me. Not at all. We will miss him.

 

[My Special Purpose]

And now we’re making moves on the assumption that Faulk will stick around, while simultaneously being far apart in negotiations with him? We really couldn’t be that stupid, right?

Faulk is signed for this season. Again, we traded Skinner for a second- and third- and didn't keep him as an "own rental" and the board couldn't hate it any more. Now, we got a first for de Haan and (seemingly) kept Faulk as an "own rental" and you're still not happy?

Faulk stays for the season, Bean works his way in, then we have a Slavin-Hamilton, Bean-Pesce top four in 2020-21.

AND the first-rounder for de Haan and maybe we trade Faulk at the deadline or trade his rights next summer.

 

[SvechneJerk]

I think everyone is completely missing the important takeaway here - we picked up a Swede for @Lucky Lindy.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I'd like to revisit this post later, where you mitigate the importance of first-round draft picks, even those in the 20s. That's a lot of mental gymnastics to make a trade look bad. We *didn't* get a first for Skinner and this board almost imploded.

Surely you can recognize the difference between a protected 1st round pick of an expected playoff team and a 1st round pick of an expected basement dweller, yeah?

Regardless, as I said, I’m all for acquiring 1st round picks. However, I don’t want them to come at a cost of building a successful team NOW. Unless the plan is to kickstart another rebuild (God, please no), shouldn’t we be the ones leveraging picks and prospects for “win now” players instead of the opposite?

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

If we had to clear cap because of the Marleau trade then eff the Marleau trade. A late first isn’t worth moving DeHaan for to me. Not at all. We will miss him.

What's your take on forsling?

 

[My Special Purpose]

No--I didn't mind the draft or draft picks. I didn't like the strategy of trading down to get more picks in rounds where impact players are more rare. The canes currently have a good farm system and had 10 picks in this draft and I believe 10 next year. They have, I hope, a good scouting staff and should be able to keep the farm strong with those numbers. What the canes lack are impact offensive players and history shows those players are harder to find after the 3rd round especially. So a strategy that gains more darts thrown at dartboards with ever decreasing scoring areas--I just see the point.

Maybe the canes are smarter than the rest of the NHL, let's hope that they are. But history isn't on their side. And looking at trades like this--I don't hold out great hope that management will convert prospects into impact offensive players.

No, those players are harder to find *outside the top 10.*

You just don't understand what the analytics say about drafting. Yes, the "scoring areas" get smaller as you get deeper into the draft. But it does so *very* slowly. The big dropoffs are at the top of the first round. Once you get into the 25-to-200 range, the dropoff from pick-to-pick is tiny, so more darts is the way to go.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Faulk is signed for this season. Again, we traded Skinner for a second- and third- and didn't keep him as an "own rental" and the board couldn't hate it any more. Now, we got a first for de Haan and (seemingly) kept Faulk as an "own rental" and you're still not happy?

Faulk stays for the season, Bean works his way in, then we have a Slavin-Hamilton, Bean-Pesce top four in 2020-21.

AND the first-rounder for de Haan and maybe we trade Faulk at the deadline or trade his rights next summer.

Oh good, now we’re penciling in a guy that’s played 2 NHL games into our Top 4 in two years. Surely that’ll go exactly as planned.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Surely you can recognize the difference between a protected 1st round pick of an expected playoff team and a 1st round pick of an expected basement dweller, yeah?

Regardless, as I said, I’m all for acquiring 1st round picks. However, I don’t want them to come at a cost of building a successful team NOW. Unless the plan is to kickstart another rebuild (God, please no), shouldn’t we be the ones leveraging picks and prospects for “win now” players instead of the opposite?

This is a *massive* overreaction. WE TRADED CALVIN FREAKIN' DE HAAN. How on earth does that signal kicking off another rebuild?

 

[My Special Purpose]

Oh good, now we’re penciling in a guy that’s played 2 NHL games into our Top 4 in two years. Surely that’ll go exactly as planned.

I'd rather pencil Bean into our top four in 2020-21 than de Haan.