Confirmed with Link: CDH and Saarela to CHI for Forsling and Anton Forsberg

[MinJaBen]

This management group is all about weaponizing cap space.

They just reloaded.

 

[MinJaBen]

He's maybe the only prospect we have (had) with legit high-end NHL shot talent. I hate losing those guys, considering historically we just never have any.

Yes, he had a great shot, but he also had enough warts that he wasn’t likely to get a chance to use that shot in the NHL.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Then it’s a 1st round pick for de Haan. Which is a good way to break up the defensive logjam.

Fair, but as Sens said, it seems odd that they dealt one of their more steady defenseman (and a left handed one at that) instead of one of the RHDs that everyone is apparently coveting and are far less consistent in their defensive play.

I’ve got to assume the injury is worse than expected, or there’s some super move being made. Because that’s the only way this deal makes a lick of sense.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Stupid ass move. Clearing cap space because you decided to leverage cap space for the Marleau trade.

So now we're down a good prospect and a reliable defenseman for a player that we're probably going to buyout and a low 1st.

Maybe this was the plan all along. Dump de Haan so that you could afford to take Marleau and get the first rounder. Last season, everyone bitched and moaned because we *didn't* get a first-rounder for Skinner. Now we make moves to get the first, and everyone is still bitching and moaning.

And Saarela was never going to play for us. He probably got passed by five of our draft picks this past weekend. He's simply not an NHL player.

I'm sorry, if this is how the team values and "maximizes" the value of their assets and prospects--how can you have any faith in the next possible move? If they wanted to get rid of DeHaan--just move him for a pick or forsberg alone. Still bad, but more explicable. Yet they dump a prospect who has at least some value for a prospect at a position the canes are supposedly the deepest. And if neither sign with the canes--they dumped DeHaan for no return. Just pitiful

Because they've been right about literally *everything* they've done and they're smarter than you.

Thank you

Welcome.

Slavin - Hamilton
Pesce - Faulk
Fleury - TVR

I mean, that’s still not bad, and Pesce was great on his off side.

I think we're criminally underrating Jake Bean. We're all sorta writing him or Fleury onto the third pairing because that's where you put rookies, but his upside is *much* higher than that. Yeah, he's only 20 and it may take some time, but Bean could easily compete for top-four ice-time very, very soon, if not this season. We talk about having five top-four defensemen, and having to trade one, but we may *still* have five top-four defensemen.

Nope, it’s for a Faulk extension, and watch everybody’s head explode.

I'd be OK with that, now that we've sorta settled the top-four out a bit. But I reserve the right to be frustrated if he's still on PP1 in October.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If we needed to trade DeHann to clear space after acquiring Marleau to make this upcoming move, wouldn’t it have been much simpler (and make more sense) to simply not acquire Marleau in the first place?

Maybe, regardless of the Marleau deal, they didn’t want to pay de Hann that much to be a 3rd pairing D, particularly one that is coming off another shoulder surgery and won’t be ready to start the season. Because of his injuries, de Hann probably didn’t have as much value around the league as we might like to think.

 

[Unsustainable]

Bean is waiver exempt. Fluery is not

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

This management group is all about weaponizing cap space.

They just reloaded.

I agree with that premise, though I think that trading CDH was an overly drastic way to go about it. However, since his contract value was fair, he did get some good young pieces in return. The outcome of the trade really depends, though, on how bad CDH's shoulder injury really was.

 

[zman77]

Anton Forsberg
Scouting Report

Owns a very projectable (6-3) frame and the ability to be a spectacular netminder when on his game. Likes to challenge shooters and can excel with the butterfly style. Is quite raw and still needs some work on his overall technique. Also, he must fill out his frame more in order to maximize his puck-stopping skills at the highest level.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2018-19	Rockford	AHL	32	15	15	-	2	1906	0	84	1039	2.64	.919	-	-	-
2017-18	Chicago	NHL	35	10	16	-	4	1715	0	85	921	2.97	.908	0	1	0
2016-17	Columbus	NHL	1	0	1	-	0	59	0	4	27	4.10	.852	0	0	0
	Cleveland	AHL	51	27	17	-	4	2977	4	113	1526	2.28	.926	-	-	-
2015-16	Columbus	NHL	4	1	3	-	0	178	0	9	97	3.03	.907	0	0	0
	Lake Erie	AHL	41	23	10	-	6	2302	2	92	1064	2.40	.914	-	-

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[NotOpie]

Otoh, if the plan was to dump dehaan why not do it before the draft for a 3rd?

I think Forsberg was the key here. He brings "capable back up" status. He can compete w/Ned and if he doesn't beat him out we either trade him or send him down (or lose him to waivers).

 

[spockBokk]

A retired NHL scout reported yesterday that we were one of three teams with in person meetings with Duchene, the others being Nashville and Montreal (also that Columbus wasn't out of the running, but they've had the chance to make their pitch already). We are absolutely in the running for him. Negotiating period is already open- management knows things that we do not about UFA intent. They might already have a firm agreement with somebody, and everyone is just waiting for July 1 to roll around to hold the party.

He may have quoted it, but I still don’t believe the Canes have a snowball’s chance in hell at Duchene. I’d love to be wrong...

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

He may have quoted it, but I still don’t believe the Canes have a snowball’s chance in hell at Duchene. I’d love to be wrong...

Particularly with the comments from Waddell about paying what works in our market.

 

[TheBigKahuna]

Yes, he had a great shot, but he also had enough warts that he wasn’t likely to get a chance to use that shot in the NHL.

Brindy supposedly, did not like Saarela.

 

[My Special Purpose]

The problem with trading Faulk instead of CDH is that trade could end up really looking bad (El Nino Trade) if Faulk refound his offensive game .

DeHaan is a more known commodity with less upside.

And two surgically-repaired shoulders.

It makes sense. You convert 3 years of de haan into one of marleau buyout and two of expensive faulk.

AND A FIRST-ROUND PICK. Why do we keep ignoring this? Imagine adding Philip Tomasino to our draft class this year. *That's* what we just got.

To expand on this a bit: some fans are highly emotional, and some are more analytical.

The emotional ones are gonna have a rough ride in the Dundon years, I suspect.

I liked CDH. What's not to like? But this is business.

It's our turn, I guess.

If we needed to trade DeHann to clear space after acquiring Marleau to make this upcoming move, wouldn’t it have been much simpler (and make more sense) to simply not acquire Marleau in the first place?

Everyone’s waiting for the other shoe to fall, but what if this is simply it? What if this is the other shoe to the Marleau trade?

WE GOT A FIRST-ROUND PICK. Again, why are we ignoring this like it's not a huge deal?!?

Yep. After listening to 31 Thoughts I got a Marner offer sheet stuck in my head after work today - if any team could afford to give up 4 1sts it may be us. Was wondering if 7x$11m would do it. Then I thought better of it.

But a Tkachuk, Meier, Laine, or Connor under the 4 1sts threshold? It might not be a terrible idea.

Anybody expecting us to overpay a player, *and* give up draft picks does not understand the analytic-based decision-making of the Dundon Era *at all*. We will offer no sheets.

Bean is waiver exempt. Fluery is not

Bean is really, really good. Fleury is not.

 

[zman77]

Gustav Forsling
Left-DMan
2014 (5-126)
6' 0" 183lbs., Sweden
Played in 122 NHL Games.

122Gms

8G

19A

27Pts

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2018-19	Chicago	NHL	43	3	6	9	-9	30	0	0	0	17:05	57	0.21
	Rockford	AHL	5	0	2	2	1	2	0	0	0	-	9	0.40
2017-18	Chicago	NHL	41	3	10	13	-2	8	1	0	1	19:09	82	0.32
	Rockford	AHL	18	2	3	5	-4	6	0	0	0	-	50	0.28
2016-17	Chicago	NHL	38	2	3	5	3	4	0	0	0	14:49	48	0.13
	Rockford	AHL	30	1	7	8	-13	12	0	0	0	-	62	0.27

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Scouting Report

A 'new-breed' type of undersized defenseman who excels in puck possession and puck movement, he can produce points too. Does not panic with the puck on his stick. Needs to prove he can play at a high level against tougher competition, and he will need to add more bulk in order to accomplish that--especially if he is to be a physical player.

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[vorbis]

He has a 3 mil signing bonus we're paying in full unless we trade him in the next week.

If it's purely about money, that's why
The other part is i dount his contacts insured. Paying a guy a full salary to play only ~60-70% of games when he's redundant? Scary for a small market team.

But fleury was here past year too, so why sign him in the 1st place??

honestly I think they signed him because the number was in the go zone a couple days into free agency. value in the transaction, ka-ching went the cash drawer.

de Haan's signing was a bit unexpected in its own right, about a week or two shy of a year ago, if I recall correctly.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

It still doesn’t really provide any clarity to the goaltending, and there’s still kind of a logjam at defense (just a “worse” one). Forsling comes in to compete with Fleury and Bean. Still a glut of dmen.

 

[Unsustainable]

Forsling and Forsburg are misspelling of Forslund

 

[KWP]

Hawk fan in peace (still miss Teuvo too.)

Wouldn't blow off this trade at all.
Forsling can move the puck out, has a good accurate sneaky fast LHD shot, & can cover coming back. That said, he doesn't like going into the corners if he can avoid it.

Forsberg tho, I think can surprise to the upside - when Crawford went down 2 seasons back now, Forsberg was his b/u but Quenneville F'd w/ the guy's head (confidence) giving the net to an AHL call up (who was a feel good marketing story, too. I'm still annoyed by that BS.)

Will say, I'm in the minority re most HFawks posters' take on these guys and for sure both have been inconsistent, but iirc Forsberg's Sv% was 2nd in the AHL this past season. So there's that too.

Just my two cents & worth as much but ...
I'm a closet Cane-iac & had fun cheering your guys on this past playoff run.
I think both will make your club and if things break right (get a good start, stay healthy (an issue w/ Forsling) could really contribute.

PS - Fwiw, I wanted CHI to sign "Mr Azek" but our GM went w/ Ward. Just trying to "sell" my scouting report to you guys. ;-)

 

[ONO94]

Then it’s a 1st round pick for de Haan. Which is a good way to break up the defensive logjam.

Why couldn't it be a 1st and a 3rd for de Haan? Was there some condition to the marleau trade that de Haan needed to be dumped within a week? It is just bad asset management. If cost is the only reason, why pick up any contract? Hell, just put him on waivers and let him get claimed.

It doesn't matter if the writing was on the wall after the marleau trade--do you through away a $5 dollar bill just because you signed a $20? And to throw in a player that can play on the AHL team, if nowhere else, for a player that may never play at any level for the canes?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

What’s the latest update on the Faulk situation?

We can talk about DeHann playing the 3rd pairing, but that would only be true if we bring back Faulk, and I thought the last update we got was that they were so far apart they were moving toward trading him.

Was there a more recent (hopefully positive) update?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Anybody expecting us to overpay a player, *and* give up draft picks does not understand the analytic-based decision-making of the Dundon Era *at all*. We will offer no sheets.

You make a lot of disparaging and extreme statements about people that you agree with 95% of the time. Just throwing fun stuff out there. No “expectation”.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Why couldn't it be a 1st and a 3rd for de Haan? Was there some condition to the marleau trade that de Haan needed to be dumped within a week? It is just bad asset management. If cost is the only reason, why pick up any contract? Hell, just put him on waivers and let him get claimed.

It doesn't matter if the writing was on the wall after the marleau trade--do you through away a $5 dollar bill just because you signed a $20? And to throw in a player that can play on the AHL team, if nowhere else, for a player that may never play at any level for the canes?

Didn’t you “hate” our draft?

 

[My Special Purpose]

You make a lot of disparaging and extreme statements about people that you agree with 95% of the time. Just throwing fun stuff out there.

Lots of times, I just quote posts to provide additional context for my "extreme statements" and don't intend to disparage the person who posted it. Sorry.

 

[zman77]

Don Wadell do their due diligence with players they may have liked 5-6 years ago.
Shoulder injuries can be tricky with a player's overall confidence and healing.
This could be a very good 'depth type of trade.'
Also clearing some Cap Space for them.
Bean and Ned will get a fair chance.

 

[CupInSIX]

Hello Caniacs.

What’s the latest update on the Faulk situation?

We can talk about DeHann playing the 3rd pairing, but that would only be true if we bring back Faulk, and I thought the last update we got was that they were so far apart they were moving toward trading him.

Was there a more recent (hopefully positive) update?

The timing of this trade is certainly interesting. VGK is waiting to clear cap for a Karlsson extension in the next day or so.

I wonder if Carolina would move out Faulk and bring in Miller, and possibly a forward from VGK.