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CBJWerenski8
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you’re a great follow on Twitter. Glad to see you here
Hey coming here to say i loved cbj’s last draft, goves a great boost to a franchise that needs it. I think a lot a good players will come out of that! I started watching all their games in 2015 (dubois draft) and it was really a great run but a bit tough !
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Usually I do two of these a year. But life gets in the way, and i have far less time than I used to. So maybe this will just turn into a once a year thing, or maybe I'll be able to do two still. But either way, here is this years list post draft.
Keep in mind that my criteria for who counts as a prospect might be a little different than what others might think (its explained below in the previous list in the quote below) and how I issue my judgement might also be a little different (again, its in the previous list in the quote below). So remember that when looking at my rankings.
I also want to point out that if you're looking for more explanation as to why I put the prospects where they were to click on the little arrow to take you to the post itself. Sometimes they age well, and sometimes they don't. Which is what makes these things fun to me. So without further delay, here is this years list:
As always, I use the same criteria. How good they are now, how good they can be, and the likelihood they get there. These are all, of course, in my opinion.
*Keep in mind my criteria to be a prospect might be different than others. My criteria is you are considered a prospect if you have less than 82 games played in the NHL as a skater, a full season, or 30 starts as a goalie. Also anyone at or over the age of 25 will either be considered graduated or not a true prospect anymore.*
Graduated: Bemstrom, Stenlund, Carlsson
Out: Vehvilainen, Kivlenieks (RIP), Sherwood, MacInnis, Hjorth,
In: Johnson, Sillinger, Ceulemans, Svozil, Dunne, Angle, Makarov
1. Kent Johnson
2. Kirill Marchenko
3. Cole Sillinger
4. Dmitri Voronkov
5. Liam Foudy
6. Yegor Chinakhov
7. Daniil Tarasov
8. Andrew Peeke
9. Corson Ceulemans
10. Samuel Knazko
11. Stanislav Svozil
12. Josh Dunne
13. Tyler Angle
14. Nikolai Makarov
15. Ole Julian Bjorkvik Holm
16. Trey Fix-Wolansky
17. Samuel Johannesson
18. Jacob Christiansen
19. Tim Berni
20. Mikael Pyyhtia
Before starting my explanations I would like to first clarify why I graduated all three of Bemstrom, Stenlund, and Carlsson even though they didn't meet any of the criteria in order to do so. For Carlsson and Stenlund, both will be 25 by the end of the season, and would have only made the back of the list anyway (15 for Stenlund, 18 for Carlsson) so I decided to make room for new blood. Bemstrom would have met criteria if not for injury/healthy scratches. If I kept him on the list he would have fallen from to 8 (just for reference). I still believe in the kid.
Anyway, to the list. It was really tough to pick the top 10 this year. Much harder than previous years, and I think thats a compliment to the job Jarmo and his staff did at the draft. We have a lot of interesting prospects. Some that didn't make the list (Hjorth, Malatesta, Rysavy) are still legitimate NHL prospects in my mind, especially Malatesta. Even some of our lower end prospects are starting to play in the top tier mens leagues (Johannesson, Pyyhtia, OJBH) which is encouraging even if they're not getting many minutes.
I picked Johnson over Marchenko but it was a close call. What tipped the scales to Johnson was his "likelihood" to be good. I think he's a better bet to make an impact in the NHL due to his creativity and offensive instincts. Not that Marchenko lacks either one of those, but I think Johnson is superior in that regard. Both prospects have concerns to me in regards to their skating, especially Johnson, but both are top tier prospects, a tier below blue chip territory.
Sillinger over Voronkov wasn't that tough of a call to me. But that's not a slight to Voronkov, as its more of a nod to Sillinger's offensive upside. I do think Voronkov is a better bet to make the NHL, but I think in the end both prospects are pretty likely to make an impact on the league. To me, the top 3 (Johnson, Marchenko, Sillinger) stand by themselves as our top tier prospects.
Voronkov, Foudy, and Chinakhov is no slouch of a tier either although more limited. Voronkov and Foudy are limited in their offensive output, however I think both will be impactful bottom 6 forwards when they develop. Foudy doesn't get a lot of love here due to his awful hands and overall "meh" play at the NHL level, but I think that's being a bit harsh. He might have third liner upside, but his speed gives defenses fits and if he can learn to use his body more he can be a better Eric Robinson. I see Foudy as a Matt Calvert esc player, which is always needed. Voronkov gets the nod over Foudy for overall usefulness when fully developed. He can do everything for you.
People might be curious as to why two offensively challenged prospects are ahead of Chinakhov, the KHL rookie of the year, and potential offensive force. The reason is I don't know how much Chinakhov's game will translate to the NHL level. It also concerns me that everyone around him at the KHL level said he wasn't ready and he chose to try his hand anyway. Could they just be trying to keep him on their team? Yeah, probably. But I don' recall other top Russian prospects getting that same treatment when they were deciding to come or stay. I think Chinakhov's upside is a close to top 3 prospect in our pool (above Voronkov, slightly behind Sillinger).
Tarasov falls a bit in stature (although retaining his spot) than in previous years but its really not due to his play but rather than the pool strengthening around him. He was pretty meh at the AHL level but it was his first taste of NA hockey so I give it a pass. He has ultra talent, we just need to be patient.
Peeke falls, and largely due to the organizations failure on the prospect. I have continued to read that Peeke suffers from confidence issues and it impacted why he didn't play much last year. I don't think shielding the kid and never playing him was the right call. You don't throw him in the deep end and continue to manifest his confidence issues either, but the team did him no favors. He just got a two year contract and is only 23, but time is running out on him. This season is nearly make of break for his future projections. At most, hes a 2nd pairing solid defenseman, at his worst he's an AHL player. Time to figure out where he lands. No excuses.
Ceulemans lands below Peeke because I'm not sure how much he's willing to use his big frame to do things NHL defenseman need to do. He's a good skater, but I don't see him use his skating or his size to close gaps on the defensive end. He joins the rush well and has offensive upside, and he's a candidate to be the breakout prospect, but I remain cautious on him.
I picked Knazko over Svozil because I think his game is just so solid. Both are good prospects, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see one traded down the line (2-3 years) in a trade. Likely to bring in additional talent to the NHL team.
Angle exploded onto the scene and had a monster AHL season. Was that due to a less competitive AHL (due to the taxi squad) or Angle? We will see, but either way I felt a bump was fair for him due to his massive season even if I am pessimistic at his NHL odds. TFW is in the same boat, although falling slightly in the rankings due to his injury.
Short and simple, Nikolai Makarov will be the next Gavrikov. We'll see him in 4 years.
Samuel Johannsson is my prospect to break out. I think he's got a lot of upside offensively from the back end, especially important that he's a RHD. Nearly PPG in Sweden's second league is nothing to take lightly, and I wish I could put him higher. I think by next year you will see him near the top 10 of our prospect list.
Keep in mind that my criteria for who counts as a prospect might be a little different than what others might think (its explained below in the previous list in the quote below) and how I issue my judgement might also be a little different (again, its in the previous list in the quote below). So remember that when looking at my rankings.
I also want to point out that if you're looking for more explanation as to why I put the prospects where they were to click on the little arrow to take you to the post itself. Sometimes they age well, and sometimes they don't. Which is what makes these things fun to me. So without further delay, here is this years list:
As always, I use the same criteria. How good they are now, how good they can be, and the likelihood they get there. These are all, of course, in my opinion.
*Keep in mind my criteria to be a prospect might be different than others. My criteria is you are considered a prospect if you have less than 82 games played in the NHL as a skater, a full season, or 30 starts as a goalie. Also anyone at or over the age of 25 will either be considered graduated or not a true prospect anymore.*
Graduated: Bemstrom, Stenlund, Carlsson
Out: Vehvilainen, Kivlenieks (RIP), Sherwood, MacInnis, Hjorth,
In: Johnson, Sillinger, Ceulemans, Svozil, Dunne, Angle, Makarov
1. Kent Johnson
2. Kirill Marchenko
3. Cole Sillinger
4. Dmitri Voronkov
5. Liam Foudy
6. Yegor Chinakhov
7. Daniil Tarasov
8. Andrew Peeke
9. Corson Ceulemans
10. Samuel Knazko
11. Stanislav Svozil
12. Josh Dunne
13. Tyler Angle
14. Nikolai Makarov
15. Ole Julian Bjorkvik Holm
16. Trey Fix-Wolansky
17. Samuel Johannesson
18. Jacob Christiansen
19. Tim Berni
20. Mikael Pyyhtia
Before starting my explanations I would like to first clarify why I graduated all three of Bemstrom, Stenlund, and Carlsson even though they didn't meet any of the criteria in order to do so. For Carlsson and Stenlund, both will be 25 by the end of the season, and would have only made the back of the list anyway (15 for Stenlund, 18 for Carlsson) so I decided to make room for new blood. Bemstrom would have met criteria if not for injury/healthy scratches. If I kept him on the list he would have fallen from to 8 (just for reference). I still believe in the kid.
Anyway, to the list. It was really tough to pick the top 10 this year. Much harder than previous years, and I think thats a compliment to the job Jarmo and his staff did at the draft. We have a lot of interesting prospects. Some that didn't make the list (Hjorth, Malatesta, Rysavy) are still legitimate NHL prospects in my mind, especially Malatesta. Even some of our lower end prospects are starting to play in the top tier mens leagues (Johannesson, Pyyhtia, OJBH) which is encouraging even if they're not getting many minutes.
I picked Johnson over Marchenko but it was a close call. What tipped the scales to Johnson was his "likelihood" to be good. I think he's a better bet to make an impact in the NHL due to his creativity and offensive instincts. Not that Marchenko lacks either one of those, but I think Johnson is superior in that regard. Both prospects have concerns to me in regards to their skating, especially Johnson, but both are top tier prospects, a tier below blue chip territory.
Sillinger over Voronkov wasn't that tough of a call to me. But that's not a slight to Voronkov, as its more of a nod to Sillinger's offensive upside. I do think Voronkov is a better bet to make the NHL, but I think in the end both prospects are pretty likely to make an impact on the league. To me, the top 3 (Johnson, Marchenko, Sillinger) stand by themselves as our top tier prospects.
Voronkov, Foudy, and Chinakhov is no slouch of a tier either although more limited. Voronkov and Foudy are limited in their offensive output, however I think both will be impactful bottom 6 forwards when they develop. Foudy doesn't get a lot of love here due to his awful hands and overall "meh" play at the NHL level, but I think that's being a bit harsh. He might have third liner upside, but his speed gives defenses fits and if he can learn to use his body more he can be a better Eric Robinson. I see Foudy as a Matt Calvert esc player, which is always needed. Voronkov gets the nod over Foudy for overall usefulness when fully developed. He can do everything for you.
People might be curious as to why two offensively challenged prospects are ahead of Chinakhov, the KHL rookie of the year, and potential offensive force. The reason is I don't know how much Chinakhov's game will translate to the NHL level. It also concerns me that everyone around him at the KHL level said he wasn't ready and he chose to try his hand anyway. Could they just be trying to keep him on their team? Yeah, probably. But I don' recall other top Russian prospects getting that same treatment when they were deciding to come or stay. I think Chinakhov's upside is a close to top 3 prospect in our pool (above Voronkov, slightly behind Sillinger).
Tarasov falls a bit in stature (although retaining his spot) than in previous years but its really not due to his play but rather than the pool strengthening around him. He was pretty meh at the AHL level but it was his first taste of NA hockey so I give it a pass. He has ultra talent, we just need to be patient.
Peeke falls, and largely due to the organizations failure on the prospect. I have continued to read that Peeke suffers from confidence issues and it impacted why he didn't play much last year. I don't think shielding the kid and never playing him was the right call. You don't throw him in the deep end and continue to manifest his confidence issues either, but the team did him no favors. He just got a two year contract and is only 23, but time is running out on him. This season is nearly make of break for his future projections. At most, hes a 2nd pairing solid defenseman, at his worst he's an AHL player. Time to figure out where he lands. No excuses.
Ceulemans lands below Peeke because I'm not sure how much he's willing to use his big frame to do things NHL defenseman need to do. He's a good skater, but I don't see him use his skating or his size to close gaps on the defensive end. He joins the rush well and has offensive upside, and he's a candidate to be the breakout prospect, but I remain cautious on him.
I picked Knazko over Svozil because I think his game is just so solid. Both are good prospects, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see one traded down the line (2-3 years) in a trade. Likely to bring in additional talent to the NHL team.
Angle exploded onto the scene and had a monster AHL season. Was that due to a less competitive AHL (due to the taxi squad) or Angle? We will see, but either way I felt a bump was fair for him due to his massive season even if I am pessimistic at his NHL odds. TFW is in the same boat, although falling slightly in the rankings due to his injury.
Short and simple, Nikolai Makarov will be the next Gavrikov. We'll see him in 4 years.
Samuel Johannsson is my prospect to break out. I think he's got a lot of upside offensively from the back end, especially important that he's a RHD. Nearly PPG in Sweden's second league is nothing to take lightly, and I wish I could put him higher. I think by next year you will see him near the top 10 of our prospect list.
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I think Voronkov is more likely to adapt to the NHL style of play but Chinakhov has a higher ceiling
NHL top 50 prospects, 2021 edition: Byfield, Caufield and Power headline Wheeler’s drafted skaters ranking
NHL top 50 prospects, 2021 edition: Byfield, Caufield and Power headline Wheeler’s drafted skaters ranking
Johnson and Sillinger with some pretty good ranking, but complete hatred towards Columbus Russians
NHL top 50 prospects, 2021 edition: Byfield, Caufield and Power headline Wheeler’s drafted skaters ranking
Johnson and Sillinger with some pretty good ranking, but complete hatred towards Columbus Russians
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While I was hoping for McT, Wheeler had Johnson at 6 overall and ahead of Beniers. Also said if he could turn out more productive than the 5 above him. I hope he is right.
It seems like Wheeler weighs far more heavily prospects' ceilings than their ability to get to those ceilings, based on the little of his stuff I've read.
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Maybe I will be in Bratislava on the game with Belarus. It`s the key game.
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I watched him a few times when UConn played UMass. Big kid but doesn't use it, on the slow side, not a scorer. Admittedly my eye was a little drawn away by Cale Makar.
Maybe there was some positive news about Howarth and I missed it, but it seems like he hasn't been on an NHL track in a while.
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Not really surprising. Was uninspiring as a college player and no trait (beyond size) that would get him signed. Can't even say he's a late bloomer as he's already like 30 years old
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