Rumor: CBJ interested in Ryan Callahan

[Savant]

Guys like Jenner don't get thrown into rental deals. The only comparison I could think of to something like that happening was when Brayden Schenn got dealt for Mike Richards, where LA traded a young up and coming center prospect for one who was currently in their prime, but locked up long term.

Considering the Blues offer is Chris Stewart, and maybe a pick, I find it tough to believe the asking price for Callahan as a rental would include a prospect the level of Jenner. If the Rangers do actually deal him, I would think it would be for a cheaper NHL caliber guy who is obviously not as good (or expensive) as him but who still could adequately take his spot without a major hit to the team + a future asset.

Well the problem with Calvert is a similar problem with Atkinson. The Rangers want to get bigger in their top 6 not smaller. With a guy like Zuccarello in tow, it wouldn;t make a ton of sense to add Calvert or Atkinson. Yes a 1st would be nice, but Columbus' 1st round pick is not as prime of an asset as it used to be with that team really coming together.

Jenner I still think needs to be the guy. I am not saying whether it is fair value or not, but he is the only one that adds something to the Rangers that they do not have. Calvert, for example, would be a redundant player on the Rangers. Jenner is a high price, but it is an inter-division trade, and I can't imagine Columbus would be in for Callahan if they didn't intend on resigning him irregardless of his contract demands. If the Rangers traded Callahan with the division and didn't get a guy like Jenner back it would be a tremendous failure. STL's offer may not be sexy, but they are in the West, and probably intend to use Callahan purely as a rental and have internal options to replace him next season, so it is a different situation.

Not really sure how your lines work out but to me, trading Jenner would be from a position of strength considering Columbus' depth at center. Also with guys like Wennberg in the pipeline Columbus isn't exactly skint at that position. Columbus has a lot of really good young players, maybe they sacrifice a guy like Jenner to get a veteran leadership type who already has chemistry with their core. I can tell you for a fact that when Callahan and Dubinsky are on the ice together they definitely elevate each other's play. Columbus with Callahan, is in fact a pretty terrifying team.

That being said I am sure a trade involving Boone Jenner for Ryan Callahan might be a bitter pill for Columbus, I think it can definitely benefit them, and also it is probably the only way the Rangers are interested in a deal.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

While I don't have a problem with this, I think devil's advocate could say that, given the team held all three first-rounders last year, the FO values those assets and is loathe to trade them. Not necessarily arguing that, just positing it.



Noting your caveat I've bolded - This is an interesting take. I've grown to like Matty C, and you'd have to decide how important he is in making Cam go. I know you're not biog on fourth-liners but Mac and Letestu make that line go. And Boll was re-signed by the current FO to a three-year deal. I mean, if the deal were 1st/Calvert/Boll, I'd seriously consider it. I'm not sure NYR would, but...



This I find more interesting than the Callahan discussion.

Yeah I do think Buffalo could be a trade partner (I know Porty is all about trading for Steve Ott) since we have young D and young goalie prospects, and I think a Moulson-Johansen-Horton line could do serious damage and also help us roll a more legit 2nd scoring and PP lines.

Also, I'm not saying we should dump Cam or Calvert, I really like both those guys. But that said, I like to look at the Sharks deal for Brent Burns - at the time, it seemed really tough for the Sharks to give up a young guy like Setoguchi, or a prospect like Charlie Coyle. So I tend to think, especially with the young talent pool the CBJ have, as much as we like and grow attached to some of these guys and would hate to see them go, if we could do move for some more established talent it really won't be much of a loss and we'd get over it pretty quick.

 

[blahblah]

That being said I am sure a trade involving Boone Jenner for Ryan Callahan might be a bitter pill for Columbus, I think it can definitely benefit them, and also it is probably the only way the Rangers are interested in a deal.

I still think you are overstating the Rangers leverage at the bargaining table. You will get a lot, but I don't think you'll have a strong bargaining position on what those individual pieces are. Meaning your list of picks to choose from with assets will be a lot smaller than what your fan base would hope.

Honestly, spin it how you want but Jenner should be a non-starter. He's playing well enough at wing, there really isn't much of a consideration of his natural position and Jenner seems the kind of guy in which that doesn't matter.

At some point, if you can't re-sign him, your teams interest will shift from what your team wants to the best deal it can get.

 

[Viqsi]

I would be fine trading a 1st to Buffalo along with say, David Savard, to get a guy like Moulson. They get a young D for the future and a pick, our D pool is still in good shape going forward with young guys like Erixon/Prout/Murray. Or if they trade Miller, we could probably afford to trade Buffalo Forsberg instead since we are set at goalie with Bob and they could use young goalie prospects.

Buffalo's prospect depth in net makes ours look pedestrian and understocked, so I don't think that's reasonable. OTOH, I could get behind the Moulson deal, although I'd try to get that price lowered a tad.

Or, heck, we could also grab a Tallinder or similar while we're there.

 

[Savant]

I still think you are overstating the Rangers leverage at the bargaining table. You will get a lot, but I don't think you'll have a strong bargaining position on what those individual pieces are. Meaning your list of picks to choose from with assets will be a lot smaller than what your fan base would hope.

I completely agree. That's why the Rangers should be looking to trade Callahan elsewhere, and Columbus should be all over a guy like Moulson.

I said in my first post I didn't think there would be a fit unless Jenner is involved.

- No interest in defensemen or goalies.
- Gaborik, Anisimov, Dubinsky nonstarters
- Horton, Umberger, Johansen also nonstarters
- Atkinson and Calvert; Rangers want to get bigger not smaller
- Foligno and Letestu; not good enough to be a centerpiece in such a deal.

No one else is worth mentioning obviously. As I said, its Jenner or bust in my opinion. I could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time that has happened. but I am just trying to show some logic here. Dealing your captain in division costs a lot. I honestly think Callahan to Columbus could have a very similar effect to the Jeff Carter to LA trade but again I could be wrong. I would be relieved if Callahan wasn't dealt to Ohio.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Buffalo's prospect depth in net makes ours look pedestrian and understocked, so I don't think that's reasonable.

What Buffalo goalie prospect is better than Oscar Dansk?

 

[bizzz*]

As I said, its Jenner or bust in my opinion.

Then just close this thread.
It goes way off topic with other posts (let's not discuss Buffalo goaltending prospects here).
Jenner has 4 well deserved points in the last 3 games he played on the wing with Johansen and Horton. And he will be making less than a million for 2 more years. The guy is going nowhere for anyone.

- Foligno and Letestu; not good enough to be a centerpiece in such a deal.

Funny that someone puts NF and ML on the same level. The Jackets won't trade Foligno for unsigned Callahan even 1 for 1.

 

[Savant]

Funny that someone puts NF and ML on the same level. The Jackets won't trade Foligno for unsigned Callahan even 1 for 1.

Not putting them on the same level intentionally, just saying neither would, or should be a centerpiece in a Callahan deal.

Don't worry. The Rangers don't do Foligno for Callahan straight up either so you can sleep soundly tonight.

 

[bizzz*]

Not putting them on the same level intentionally, just saying neither would, or should be a centerpiece in a Callahan deal.

Don't worry. The Rangers don't do Foligno for Callahan straight up either so you can sleep soundly tonight.

I'm pretty sure the Rangers would have been happy to trade upcoming UFA for a signed guy who's younger, scored more goals, more assists and has a way better puck skills.

 

[Cash for Nash]

I completely agree. That's why the Rangers should be looking to trade Callahan elsewhere, and Columbus should be all over a guy like Moulson.

I said in my first post I didn't think there would be a fit unless Jenner is involved.

- No interest in defensemen or goalies.
- Gaborik, Anisimov, Dubinsky nonstarters
- Horton, Umberger, Johansen also nonstarters
- Atkinson and Calvert; Rangers want to get bigger not smaller
- Foligno and Letestu; not good enough to be a centerpiece in such a deal.

No one else is worth mentioning obviously. As I said, its Jenner or bust in my opinion. I could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time that has happened. but I am just trying to show some logic here. Dealing your captain in division costs a lot. I honestly think Callahan to Columbus could have a very similar effect to the Jeff Carter to LA trade but again I could be wrong. I would be relieved if Callahan wasn't dealt to Ohio.

First 5 years in the league (not counting this year and the lockout shortened season):

Callahan- 60 goals
Foligno- 61 goals

Hmm....

They both play a rough and tumble game and block shots/fight when neccesary.

One is significantly younger and still on contract.

Yet one is regarded as this unreal player--why? Because of his "so-called" leadership abilities. We already have plenty of guys like that.

 

[Savant]

I'm pretty sure the Rangers would have been happy to trade upcoming UFA for a signed guy who's younger, scored more goals, more assists and have a way better puck skills.

I don't know ask Glen Sather.

My work here is done. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[blahblah]

- Foligno and Letestu; not good enough to be a centerpiece in such a deal.

All depends if the Jackets are willing to give up one of their top three forward prospects. No Jenner isn't a prospect in this conversation.

I still think you are taking too much stock in the size aspect with Calvert.

Keep in mind that you are probably inflating his trade value a bit as well. This is starting to look like an elite player trade, which with all due respect to Callahan - elite he is not.

No one else is worth mentioning obviously. As I said, its Jenner or bust in my opinion. I could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time that has happened. but I am just trying to show some logic here. Dealing your captain in division costs a lot. I honestly think Callahan to Columbus could have a very similar effect to the Jeff Carter to LA trade but again I could be wrong. I would be relieved if Callahan wasn't dealt to Ohio.

I don't think it's Jenner or bust. I see other deals working. Fans perception of what will work is generally much different than the front office. Having said that, I think your team will do everything it can to see him re-signed outside the division before the draft.

 

[Cash for Nash]

I completely agree. That's why the Rangers should be looking to trade Callahan elsewhere, and Columbus should be all over a guy like Moulson.

I said in my first post I didn't think there would be a fit unless Jenner is involved.

- No interest in defensemen or goalies.
- Gaborik, Anisimov, Dubinsky nonstarters
- Horton, Umberger, Johansen also nonstarters
- Atkinson and Calvert; Rangers want to get bigger not smaller
- Foligno and Letestu; not good enough to be a centerpiece in such a deal.

No one else is worth mentioning obviously. As I said, its Jenner or bust in my opinion. I could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time that has happened. but I am just trying to show some logic here. Dealing your captain in division costs a lot. I honestly think Callahan to Columbus could have a very similar effect to the Jeff Carter to LA trade but again I could be wrong. I would be relieved if Callahan wasn't dealt to Ohio.

If you're saying that Callahan would provide the same explosive impact that Carter did for LA--not only are you wrong, you are either trolling us, or overrating your players to the severe extent it makes you sound like a well "Ranger fan."

 

[blahblah]

Not putting them on the same level intentionally, just saying neither would, or should be a centerpiece in a Callahan deal.

Don't worry. The Rangers don't do Foligno for Callahan straight up either so you can sleep soundly tonight.

The Jackets would probably move Foligno straight up. I like Foligino, but he's also taken 81 shots on goal this season. If there was ever a product of his line mates, here you are.

Year by year, if healthy, Callahan will outproduce Foligno most of the time. You aren't going to consistently score 20 goals if you are relying on a 17.5% SoG percentage to get there.

What would Callahan do with Johansen? Well he'd probably score more goals while taking less shots, but he'd probably have 10-15 more goals over Foligno over the course of a season assuming he's healthy.

I know Johansen takes about 3 shots a game, but to take January as example - Foligno should have had more than 21 shots in 14 games. When you only take 21 shots, that's how you end up with a single goal for the month. He has a better shot than RJ but isn't showing as much greed.

Foligno is a great teammate and great bargain, but he's probably not our future captain and he's not the same player Callahan is.

 

[bizzz*]

The Jackets would probably move Foligno straight up. I like Foligino, but he's also taken 81 shots on goal this season. If there was ever a product of his line mates, here you are.

Foligno was moved from Joey's wing 3 games ado. And he scored 3 goals in those 3 games. Therefore the linemates argument is just a bull**.

Year by year, if healthy, Callahan will outproduce Foligno most of the time. You aren't going to consistently score 20 goals if you are relying on a 17.5% SoG percentage to get there.
What would Callahan do with Johansen? Well he'd probably score more goals while taking less shots, but he'd probably have 10-15 more goals over Foligno over the course of a season assuming he's healthy.

Lets leave alone the bolded part, I just hope GMJK is not that ignorant to do so.
The poster got lost in his own argumentation.
Foligno scored so many goals because his shooting percentage was hight and he benefited from playing with Johansen, but yet Callahan would have had 10-15 goals more while taking less shots?!!! Can anyone remind me of all the wasted by Foligno scoring chances that Joey has created for him? Or Callahan would have been shooting at 30%? Since when he became an elite goal scorer? Are we still talking about Ryan frikin Callahan?
And I won't go further onto this drivel. He's just arguing without any argumentation too much over here recently.

Is here any anyone else who would have traded Foligno and his contract for Callahan?
Anyone else thinks that replacing Foligno with Callahan would have improved this Jackets team?

 

[XLJ]

You don't trade Boone Jenner for a rental player imo.

I always thought Edmonton and Columbus would make good trade partners. Edmonton needs d help and grit, something Columbus has a lot of. I'd try to do something like Foligno or Jenner and Erixon and a 1st for Yakupov... Its tough to gauge Yakupov's trade value, I don't know if that is too much or too little for him, but that is the type of player Jarmo should be looking for. Get a young player that can grow with the team, not a rental.

 

[bizzz*]

You don't trade Boone Jenner for a rental player imo.

I always thought Edmonton and Columbus would make good trade partners. Edmonton needs d help and grit, something Columbus has a lot of. I'd try to do something like Foligno or Jenner and Erixon and a 1st for Yakupov... Its tough to gauge Yakupov's value, I don't know if that is too much or too little for him, but that is the type of player Jarmo should be looking for. Get a young player that can grow with the team, not a rental.

Russian national team head scout recently stated that Yakupov might not be in the league pretty soon if he doesn't change his game. The Filatov story is probably forgotten.

 

[hardkorejackets]

You don't trade Boone Jenner for a rental player imo.

I always thought Edmonton and Columbus would make good trade partners. Edmonton needs d help and grit, something Columbus has a lot of. I'd try to do something like Foligno or Jenner and Erixon and a 1st for Yakupov... Its tough to gauge Yakupov's trade value, I don't know if that is too much or too little for him, but that is the type of player Jarmo should be looking for. Get a young player that can grow with the team, not a rental.

I agree you don't trade Boone Jenner for a rental. But, I'm not about ready to mess with the chemistry we have right now for Nail Yakupov. He's definitely offensively talented, the Oiler's suck, and the plus/minus statistic is bogus for some, but he does have a -30 there, way worse than a majority of that team. 2nd worst is Gagner with -20. He may not be the headache that Filatov was, but if he is a headache issue here, he'd be on the first plane out towards Russia, because for once I feel like the CBJ have good chemistry.

 

[alphafox]

You don't trade Boone Jenner for a rental player imo.

I always thought Edmonton and Columbus would make good trade partners. Edmonton needs d help and grit, something Columbus has a lot of. I'd try to do something like Foligno or Jenner and Erixon and a 1st for Yakupov... Its tough to gauge Yakupov's trade value, I don't know if that is too much or too little for him, but that is the type of player Jarmo should be looking for. Get a young player that can grow with the team, not a rental.

I wouldn't touch yakupov for anything more than a second. I agree that edm and the cbj theoretically make excellent trade partners however the issue is that the value that edm puts on the two players that we would target (hall, eberle) basically makes them untouchable (I.e. would cost us Murray, johansen, or a group of important players.)

 

[SuperGenius]

You don't trade Boone Jenner for a rental player imo.

I always thought Edmonton and Columbus would make good trade partners. Edmonton needs d help and grit, something Columbus has a lot of. I'd try to do something like Foligno or Jenner and Erixon and a 1st for Yakupov... Its tough to gauge Yakupov's trade value, I don't know if that is too much or too little for him, but that is the type of player Jarmo should be looking for. Get a young player that can grow with the team, not a rental.

Yak sucks. Had a nice conversation with a veteran NHL captain a few years back and Filatov was brought up. "He has all this skill but can't put it together - what do you think the problem is? Coaching? Linemates?" - we asked..."Maybe he just sucks" the NHL vet said...

Sometimes a guy just isn't what he's billed to be.

I've no doubt Yak is better than he seems right now, but he's no superstar, IMO. Those types find a way to shine. He's lost and/or unmotivated. It's sad, and unless something dramatic happens, he'll be just another Russian who ends up in the KHL having spectacularly failed in the NHL. Hope I'm wrong for his sake, but I wouldn't trade nearly that kind of package for him. Erixon + 2nd, tops. If that doesn't get it done, fine, but that's all I'd give.

 

[CBJx614]

Ryan Callahan is not what this team needs right now and neither is trading away our future(Jenner/prospects) for Yakupov. I really think Jarmo needs to roll the dice on Marion Gaborik. Let him heal up and take a chance on him being able to have a impact once he returns. I mean look at the impact Horton had. And Horton and Gaborik have yet to be on the ice together so who knows what kind of impact the may really have when both dressed at the same time. And now that Johansen has really emerged and other players are stepping up from Umberger and Letestu, to Nikitin and Savard the team really has accountability between each other and the coaching staff. I can see Gaborik doing well even if its just from his teammates picking up their own play. Ive said it a thousand times it feels like but Gaborik more than anyone knows he has to put on a performance of a lifetime if he wants to really get paid after this season.

 

[major major]

You don't trade Boone Jenner for a rental player imo.

I always thought Edmonton and Columbus would make good trade partners. Edmonton needs d help and grit, something Columbus has a lot of. I'd try to do something like Foligno or Jenner and Erixon and a 1st for Yakupov... Its tough to gauge Yakupov's trade value, I don't know if that is too much or too little for him, but that is the type of player Jarmo should be looking for. Get a young player that can grow with the team, not a rental.

I agree, Edmonton desperately needs what we have an abundance of. Replace Yakupov with Eberle and I think there's a good deal to be made. (Yak is not welcome)

 

[bizzz*]

Seems like every recently traded Edmonton player was accused in having a bad habits. That's what Tortz said about Dubnyk, Hitch about Paajarvi, Smid said something about practices being a lot harder in Calgary.
I'm not sure if replacing a hard working guy with someone more talented, but infected by being an Oiler for a while would do anything good for the Jackets.

 

[The Jones Zone]

It amazes me to see any BlueJacket fan even discussing Jenner in any deal

His shift which led to the first goal Monday night was off the charts

The new line He is on with Horton and Ryan Jo has been electric

Jenner is not even in any discussion...None!

 

[Mayor Bee]

Seems like every recently traded Edmonton player was accused in having a bad habits. That's what Tortz said about Dubnyk, Hitch about Paajarvi, Smid said something about practices being a lot harder in Calgary.
I'm not sure if replacing a hard working guy with someone more talented, but infected by being an Oiler for a while would do anything good for the Jackets.

It's what every team that acquired a Jacket said for about five years as well. Guys out of shape, clueless in general, and lazy as well.