Confirmed with Link: CBJ hire Don Waddell as President of Hockey Operations and General Manager. JD to serve as Senior Advisor

[Napoli]

You know the guy responsible for this going forward is new right?

New to what, the organization?

Not new to managing franchises.

I'm done giving people their first shot at things when it comes to major roles in this franchise.

It doesn't work.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

New to what, the organization?

Not new to managing franchises.

I'm done giving people their first shot at things when it comes to major roles in this franchise.

It doesn't work.

Don Waddell has plenty of experience outside of this organization.

 

[CBJx614]

New to what, the organization?

Not new to managing franchises.

I'm done giving people their first shot at things when it comes to major roles in this franchise.

It doesn't work.

He's literally the first GM in history who actually has experience...

 

[CBJWerenski8]

This team can't even develop prospects in the AHL and somehow they're going to develop a GM?

Idk that Bill Zito guy developed pretty well.

 

[Napoli]

Don Waddell has plenty of experience outside of this organization.

Im speaking about Nash getting an eventual GM spot.

Nash is not qualified, nor should he be "developed" as if he somehow deserves that privilege.

Idk that Bill Zito guy developed pretty well.

Hah.

Now do first time hires in Columbus.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

A lot of the current successful GMs are still in their first GM job. Do many fail? They do. But how many failures ended up as a top GM in job #2 or #3? The success stories tend to figure it out in their first opportunity. The myth that you need to have experience in the job in order to do it well is repeatedly disproven. The fact that Columbus has done a bad job identifying good GM candidates is a Columbus problem, not an indication that teams should always hire experienced GMs.

 

[Viqsi]

Im speaking about Nash getting an eventual GM spot.

Nash is not qualified, nor should he be "developed" as if he somehow deserves that privilege.


Hah.

Now do first time hires in Columbus.

Your logical fallacy is false cause

You presumed that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Im speaking about Nash getting an eventual GM spot.

Nash is not qualified, nor should he be "developed" as if he somehow deserves that privilege.

You don’t know what’s he’d be qualified for in 2-3 years. People learn new skills all the time in their careers.

 

[ColumbusTrill]

We just hired a new GM and we’re already having pages long discussion on his replacement. Like can we just focus on our actual GM smh

 

[CBJx614]

Im speaking about Nash getting an eventual GM spot.

Nash is not qualified, nor should he be "developed" as if he somehow deserves that privilege.


Hah.

Now do first time hires in Columbus.

Bro come on.

It's the new trend, more and more big name games are getting GM roles. Yzerman, Grier, Sakic, Briere, Steen...

Time will tell if it's a good idea or not.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Hah.

Now do first time hires in Columbus.

So we just move goalposts at will?

 

[Napoli]

So we just move goalposts at will?

No goal posts are being moved.
You actually moved the goal posts if we're going that route.

No one has come here in a major role for their first time and succeeded.

You don’t know what’s he’d be qualified for in 2-3 years. People learn new skills all the time in their careers.

Some people never learn.

20+ years of piss poor franchise management of either unproven/unqualified candidates but hey it could work this time!!

Good luck with that.

Let me add, this isn't an anti Rick Nash thing. This is an anti unproven candidate first time doing a major role thing.

It hasn't worked for this franchise and it's insane there's people who still entertain the thought.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Some people never learn.

20+ years of piss poor franchise management of either unproven/unqualified candidates but hey it could work this time!!

Good luck with that.

Let me add, this isn't an anti Rick Nash thing. This is an anti unproven candidate first time doing a major role thing.

It hasn't worked for this franchise and it's insane there's people who still entertain the thought.

Who are we talking about here? The guy who just got the job with tons of experience outside of this organization or do you actually think Rick Nash is running things right now today?

 

[Napoli]

Who are we talking about here? The guy who just got the job with tons of experience outside of this organization or do you actually think Rick Nash is running things right now today?

You're defending the idea of Rick Nash being able to "learn new things" and you still don't know "who we're talking about"?

No one is saying Waddell isn't qualified.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

You're defending the idea of Rick Nash being able to "learn new things" and you still don't know "who we're talking about"?

No one is saying Waddell isn't qualified.

I can't figure out why you are so certain he'll never be qualified. Of course he's not qualified today but 4-5 years down the road could be a different story once he's gets an opportunity to experience and learn things under a different GM. I don't understand why that concept is so hard to understand.

 

[Napoli]

I can't figure out why you are so certain he'll never be qualified. Of course he's not qualified today but 4-5 years down the road could be a different story once he's gets an opportunity to experience and learn things under a different GM. I don't understand why that concept is so hard to understand.

It's not hard to understand.

I just don't want him to learn here, there's a difference.

Hire proven and valid candidates throughout the organization and it will improve.

It's really not a wild concept either considering the other route hasn't been going great.

 

[ColumbusTrill]

It's not hard to understand.

I just don't want him to learn here, there's a difference.

Hire proven and valid candidates throughout the organization and it will improve.

It's really not a wild concept either considering the other route hasn't been going great.

What if Waddell does great things here and Nash plays a big part of it? Still a no?

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

It's not hard to understand.

I just don't want him to learn here, there's a difference.

Hire proven and valid candidates throughout the organization and it will improve.

It's really not a wild concept either considering the other route hasn't been going great.

OK, but Waddell is the first expereinced GM hire we've ever had and he's going to bring in his own coach as a part of it. They are doing new things now. Perhaps give it a chance that he might actually be a viable experienced guy to learn from.

This isn't the old CBJ doing old CBJ things.

 

[Napoli]

OK, but Waddell is the first expereinced GM hire we've ever had and he's going to bring in his own coach as a part of it. They are doing new things now. Perhaps give it a chance that he might actually be a viable experienced guy to learn from.

This isn't the old CBJ doing old CBJ things.

I have faith in Waddell and will give anyone a chance but truthfully I've seen enough with first time hires in major roles.

What if Waddell does great things here and Nash plays a big part of it? Still a no?

I would happily eat crow, just don't see it happening and I rather not see that experiment.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Not every assistant anything is an experienced assistant whatever-that-thing-is. That's actually how it works. It's not an "experiment" to have bright, teachable, capable people in support roles, learning what it takes to move beyond being in a support role. It's normal.

 

[Crede777]

My issue with considering Nash to be the heir apparent for GM is not because of Nash's qualities or bona fides. I take issue with the process itself.

This would be like Calgary saying a year ago that they will draft Tij Iginla with their 1st round pick regardless of how he does as long as he's available. Sure, he might prove to be a 1st round talent. Sure, he might end up being a good player. But that's not how teams that are good run things. Good teams draft the best player available. Good teams hire the best GM candidate available. They don't play favorites and they don't forecast or make promises.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

My issue with considering Nash to be the heir apparent for GM is not because of Nash's qualities or bona fides. I take issue with the process itself.

This would be like Calgary saying a year ago that they will draft Tij Iginla with their 1st round pick regardless of how he does as long as he's available. Sure, he might prove to be a 1st round talent. Sure, he might end up being a good player. But that's not how teams that are good run things. Good teams draft the best player available. Good teams hire the best GM candidate available. They don't play favorites and they don't forecast or make promises.

It's not like that. It's more like if the Jackets drafted Adam Fantilli with the expectation that he will become their top line center but don't immediately play him at top line center but rather sometimes at wing and other times lower in the lineup as he learns how to be a top line center.

 

[Crede777]

It's not like that. It's more like if the Jackets drafted Adam Fantilli with the expectation that he will become their top line center but don't immediately play him at top line center but rather sometimes at wing and other times lower in the lineup as he learns how to be a top line center.

I don't think getting Nash front office experience is the issue though. It's the idea that they will name Nash the GM at some point in the future regardless of his performance or qualifications. It would be like drafting Fantilli to be the 1C, letting him play wing and lower in the lineup to get experience, but after 2 seasons or so just promoting him to 1C regardless of if he is the most qualified person or not.

I think a competitive team would tell Nash that they won't make any promises and if he wants to be a GM then when an opening comes along he needs to be better than all the other candidates.

 

[Fred Glover]

I don't think getting Nash front office experience is the issue though. It's the idea that they will name Nash the GM at some point in the future regardless of his performance or qualifications. It would be like drafting Fantilli to be the 1C, letting him play wing and lower in the lineup to get experience, but after 2 seasons or so just promoting him to 1C regardless of if he is the most qualified person or not.

I think a competitive team would tell Nash that they won't make any promises and if he wants to be a GM then when an opening comes along he needs to be better than all the other candidates.

How do we know Nash was promised anything? We don’t
It’s pure speculation because no one has said anything officially

 

[Crede777]

How do we know Nash was promised anything? We don’t
It’s pure speculation because no one has said anything officially

That's true. This is based upon the speculation that they're grooming Nash to be a GM in the future as well as the assumption that Columbus wouldn't then deny him the role if somebody better came along.