Confirmed with Link: CBJ Fire Scott Howson, name Jarmo Kekalainen replacement

[Matthew]

I'm excited about the new guy, but are Moore, Johansen, and Murray that bad? (Howson's last 3, 1st round picks).

Asking TW if he's happy with draft picks is a dicey situation.


Personally:

Moore: so far, so good. Especially for a late 1st rounder. Probably an NHLer for years to come.
Ryjo and Murray; TBD of course.

 

[OldGoaltender]

I'm excited about the new guy, but are Moore, Johansen, and Murray that bad? (Howson's last 3, 1st round picks). Howson made his share of blunders, but those aren't bad picks imo. If you want to move down to Howson's later round drafting...well he was actually pretty good in that dept.

Also, don't forget who got us those 2 additional 1st round picks.

Scott was a good drafter, I happen to believe Jarmo is a great drafter.

Every pick has to prove himself, but when you're not the one that drafted them it makes decisions easier if you want to move them. Saying that I don't think any one of those players have a lot to worry about if they play to their potential.

 

[Nordique]

Asking TW if he's happy with draft picks is a dicey situation.


Personally:

Moore: so far, so good. Especially for a late 1st rounder. Probably an NHLer for years to come.
Ryjo and Murray; TBD of course.

Thats fair. He could have done better with the top 10 picks, but I suspect he could have done worse too.

Scott had his mistakes, big ones, but he did alright on draft day.

Filatov
the Carter trade (nice recovery though)
the Mason contract
Pahlsson/Malhotra

 

[CBJWerenski8]

My friend told me to look for this guy to atl east be in the CBJ camp this summer.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=38086

 

[jdhebner]

Love the player interviews on Jackets TV. Prospal (paraphrased): "The new GM is a hockey man. I don't care that he's from Europe, he could be from China, as long as he will help the team get better. It's not where you're from, it's what you do and how long you work"

 

[Jimmys7]

Thats fair. He could have done better with the top 10 picks, but I suspect he could have done worse too.

Scott had his mistakes, big ones, but he did alright on draft day.

Filatov
the Carter trade (nice recovery though)
the Mason contract
Pahlsson/Malhotra

I would throw in RJ's contract as another mistake.

 

[Matthew]

Love the player interviews on Jackets TV. Prospal (paraphrased): "The new GM is a hockey man. I don't care that he's from Europe, he could be from China, as long as he will help the team get better. It's not where you're from, it's what you do and how long you work"

I love that Vinny is so frank in his interviews. From day one. When he called out Arniel for running crappy practices, etc.

 

[Matt]

Bet this Moses kid that is playing in Finland knows Cam Atkinson

 

[cslebn]

Also, the Blues have a GM. His name is Doug Armstrong. He just got handed a 5-year extension.

The Blues ownership took over, vetted their front office, and then basically showed JD the door and handed Doug Armstrong a 5-year extension. I think that is a pretty clear sign of who they felt was responsible there.

Don't get me wrong - I'm happy Howson is gone and definitely like the move and hire for Jarmo.

However, for fans and for JD himself to be acting like he and Jarmo "built" the St. Louis Blues is a little sketchy, and also, the Blues so far have been mostly average and then had one great season under Hitch. This is not a situation like Dale Tallon building the Blackhawks.

JD's biggest thing with the Blues, and so far here, is getting the media to cover him favorably and getting season ticket holders and fans back in the building. That is a huge skill and he is great at giving speeches about "going north" and going "brick by brick"." getting the locals and media to buy back in is no small thing. That said, Doug Armstrong was/is still the Blues GM.

A little late, but Larry Pleau was the GM through 2010. Armstrong took that roll in 2010. Don't give credit to Armstrong for things that happened or started before his watch. It's about having the whole package of an organization to recognize talent, build it into something solid and then use it to win.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Bet this Moses kid that is playing in Finland knows Cam Atkinson

If he played 8 games for the Connecticut Whale, he would happen to know JAM as well.

But in all honesty, how many small, undersized, speedy forwards can we have and still be successful. Cam, JAM, and this guy are all under 5'9" and 175 lbs.

 

[Viqsi]

If he played 8 games for the Connecticut Whale, he would happen to know JAM as well.

But in all honesty, how many small, undersized, speedy forwards can we have and still be successful. Cam, JAM, and this guy are all under 5'9" and 175 lbs.

Just don't stock the rest of the forward corps with medium-sized guys or wallflowers and we should be fine. And by and large that's not something we're in danger of.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Just don't stock the rest of the forward corps with medium-sized guys or wallflowers and we should be fine. And by and large that's not something we're in danger of.

A long as we aren't trying to clone an entire team of Martin St. Louis.

The thought of 3 guys like that on 3 different scoring lines is pretty intriguing though if they can all develop properly. Moses seems to be a guy who fell under the radar with potential and his number from college. The description of him on the prospects site makes him sound exactly like the player attitude GMJK and PoHOJD are wanting to add to this team.

 

[18136]

A little late, but Larry Pleau was the GM through 2010. Armstrong took that roll in 2010. Don't give credit to Armstrong for things that happened or started before his watch. It's about having the whole package of an organization to recognize talent, build it into something solid and then use it to win.

Watched the video that was posted earlier re: the 2007 draft. Granted I'm not knowledgable about how NHL front offices work, but it really struck me that between Davidson, Kekalainen, and Pleau Kekalainen really seemed to be the one with the most control throughout the process. Definitely a man who is not afraid to take charge.

 

[Mara]

My friend told me to look for this guy to atl east be in the CBJ camp this summer.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=38086

I've seen Moses play quite a bit this year and he's nowhere near NHL calibre player. He can score when he gets a chance but can't create them for his line. Gets physically dominated, but the large rink is very forgiving as he is quite fast. I can't see an NHL future for him, but it's his first full season in a professional league so there's room for improvement.

 

[BluejacketNut]

I would throw in RJ's contract as another mistake.

Commodore anyone?

 

[NotWendell]

I would throw in RJ's contract as another mistake.

And Vermette's

In other words, "capologist" my arse!

 

[Mayor Bee]

Well said

Quick question for you.

Back in the 1970s, the Baseball HOF decided that Negro League players would be eligible for induction if a special committee (Committee on Negro Baseball Leagues) selected them. In seven years, the committee elected nine men; they are Cool Papa Bell, Oscar Charleston, Martin Dihigo, Josh Gibson, Monte Irvin, Judy Johnson, Buck Leonard, Pop Lloyd, and Satchel Paige. After the 1977 election, the committee announced that it had done its job and disbanded. It refused to allow itself to be taken over by a different element, or to take actions that would serve to dilute what it had done. After all, these nine men are legends and are known to even casual baseball fans; the committee could have stuck around and then inducted several more, but they decided not to. It was a remarkable act of restraint that, in baseball terms, was right there with Cincinnatus and George Washington.

My question is, slightly over a year after a protest that demanded changes, what is the future of FANS with those changes actually taking place? Does it transition into an actual separate organization with a different mission, does it continue to serve as an unofficial watchdog of sorts, or does it simply cease to exist?

 

[NotWendell]

Quick question for you.

Back in the 1970s, the Baseball HOF decided that Negro League players would be eligible for induction if a special committee (Committee on Negro Baseball Leagues) selected them. In seven years, the committee elected nine men; they are Cool Papa Bell, Oscar Charleston, Martin Dihigo, Josh Gibson, Monte Irvin, Judy Johnson, Buck Leonard, Pop Lloyd, and Satchel Paige. After the 1977 election, the committee announced that it had done its job and disbanded. It refused to allow itself to be taken over by a different element, or to take actions that would serve to dilute what it had done. After all, these nine men are legends and are known to even casual baseball fans; the committee could have stuck around and then inducted several more, but they decided not to. It was a remarkable act of restraint that, in baseball terms, was right there with Cincinnatus and George Washington.

My question is, slightly over a year after a protest that demanded changes, what is the future of FANS with those changes actually taking place? Does it transition into an actual separate organization with a different mission, does it continue to serve as an unofficial watchdog of sorts, or does it simply cease to exist?

Mission accomplished. We disband... for now.

 

[bizzz*]

Commodore anyone?

The Jackets made playoffs with Commodore on the top-4 along with Klesla, Tyutin and Methot. He played 20+ minutes and everyone was glad to have him. Then something broke down, but it happened way too late to make that signing look bad. Howson was a GM, not a clairvoyant

 

[BluejacketNut]

The Jackets made playoffs with Commodore on the top-4 along with Klesla, Tyutin and Methot. He played 20+ minutes and everyone was glad to have him. Then something broke down, but it happened way too late to make that signing look bad. Howson was a GM, not a clairvoyant

From someone who was suppose to be a "capologist", he was probably the worst signing in Bluejackets history. He's been gone for 3 years and will still be on our books until 2014/2015...ouch. Granted, Commodore thinks Howson is the greatest man in the world

 

[Mayor Bee]

From someone who was suppose to be a "capologist", he was probably the worst signing in Bluejackets history. He's been gone for 3 years and will still be on our books until 2014/2015...ouch. Granted, Commodore thinks Howson is the greatest man in the world

Worse:
- Scott Lachance
- Luke Richardson
- Derrick Walser (if only because he was always the go-to callup guy)

If we're going by re-signings, the absolutely idiotic re-signing of Duvie Westcott is probably at the top of the list.

 

[Matthew]

Quick question for you.

and then two long paragraphs. I think there's a question in there, somewhere.

 

[Mayor Bee]

and then two long paragraphs. I think there's a question in there, somewhere.

For me, that is a quick question.

 

[Robert]

Mission accomplished. We disband... for now.

As for me, the two requests have been met.... The future will depend on the CBJ and the fans... That said, this fan thinks the CBJ are in good hands now, finally!

Rally behind John Davidson.....

 

[Ainec]

Just checked out the NHL drafts during the "Jarmo era" in St. Louis (2002 - 2010)...not sure why this guy is being treated like some amazing draft guru..his 1st round record is pretty poor outside of Petro.

(pre-howson)
2002: CBJ select Rick Nash, STL no 1st round pick
2003: CBJ select Nik Zherdev , STL select Shawn Belle (but selected David Backes in the 2nd round)
2004: CBJ select Alex Picard, STL select Marek Schawrz
2005: CBJ select Gilbert Brule, STL select TJ Oshie
2006: CBJ Derick Brassard, STL select ERIK JOHNSON 1st OVERALL (Ahead of Toews, Kessel, Staal, Backstrom, Grioux) and Patrik Berglund (25th)

(howson-era)

2007: CBJ select Jakub Voracek, STL select Lars Eller (13th) Ian Cole (18th) and David Perron (26th) (I sure hope Jarmo spends our 3 first rounders in 2013 a lot better)

2010: CBJ select Ryan Johansen, STL select Vladamir Tarasenko (16th) and Jaden Schwartz (14th)

Okay... You should look at the whole 2007 draft and the first round before you say something like that. That was the worst draft in a long long time, and guess what? The blues 3 picks are ALL in the NHL, with one (Perron), being regarded as a top 5-8 selection in the ENTIRE draft.

To call it a poor performance by him and his draft crew is incredibly wrong


Being the GM of the Blue Jackets at this time is a perfect opportunity for any new GM to prove themselves. Especially with all the up and coming kids and 3 draft picks in a draft like 2013