CBJ Board Summer '16 Prospect Rankings: #8

[stevo61]

I think you're valid on Peeke v. Heatherington. As for Kolesar, everything I've seen/read about him over the last year makes me think he's a headcase. I really don't think he'll pan out.

What have you read to suggest he is a headcase? Would greatly appreciate if you could track down
any articles you have read

 

[Hello Johnny]

First I've heard of any headcase issues with Kolesar.

 

[major major]

I think you're valid on Peeke v. Heatherington. As for Kolesar, everything I've seen/read about him over the last year makes me think he's a headcase. I really don't think he'll pan out.

Other than occasionally crossing the line with the rough stuff, I haven't heard of anything. He seems very mature in interviews. He grew up around dedicated professionals from different sports (like Seth Jones).

 

[stevo61]

I take it with a grain of salt because I know Milano is a headcase because he took selfies with girls instead of using all his time for autographs. He might be confident but I think people worry about that too much

 

[major major]

The youth thing isn't necessary very good thing to have analysis rising from when the other geezers have just turned 21 or 22 while being far more accomplished. Especially when you haven't still made it.

Development years from 18 to 21 are huge. In fact it's most of the growth period between the draft and prime age.

Heatherington has accomplished what, exactly? It took him three years to work himself up to AHL second pair and he doesn't have puckmoving ability or mobility to play shutdown at the NHL level. And I'm not interested in what your team did unless you were essential in putting your team at that level.

How many times have we seen D-men from the 2nd round or later come from nowhere to become NHL greats? They start out as "second pair upside at best" and then sometime between 18 and 21 they show something you didn't expect. Keith, Weber, Subban, etc... It's the hardest position to project and you have to value the players who have the development time to turn into the unexpected.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Development years from 18 to 21 are huge. In fact it's most of the growth period between the draft and prime age.

Heatherington has accomplished what, exactly? It took him three years to work himself up to AHL second pair and he doesn't have puckmoving ability or mobility to play shutdown at the NHL level. And I'm not interested in what your team did unless you were essential in putting your team at that level.

How many times have we seen D-men from the 2nd round or later come from nowhere to become NHL greats? They start out as "second pair upside at best" and then sometime between 18 and 21 they show something you didn't expect. Keith, Weber, Subban, etc... It's the hardest position to project and you have to value the players who have the development time to turn into the unexpected.

The bolded part is misleading. Makes it sound like Heatherington has been toiling in the AHL for 3 seasons and just now made it to the 2nd pairing. In reality he was on the 2nd pairing in his first season of AHL eligibility on the Calder Cup winning team.

 

[stevo61]

Development years from 18 to 21 are huge. In fact it's most of the growth period between the draft and prime age.

Heatherington has accomplished what, exactly? It took him three years to work himself up to AHL second pair and he doesn't have puckmoving ability or mobility to play shutdown at the NHL level. And I'm not interested in what your team did unless you were essential in putting your team at that level.

How many times have we seen D-men from the 2nd round or later come from nowhere to become NHL greats? They start out as "second pair upside at best" and then sometime between 18 and 21 they show something you didn't expect. Keith, Weber, Subban, etc... It's the hardest position to project and you have to value the players who have the development time to turn into the unexpected.

Defense is constantly regarded as the longest to develop. I personally think you are pretty hard on him and his skating but I guess we'll see. I know he put on a lot of muscle and went from 190ish in his draft to the 220ish he is now which slowed him down some but I still see an NHL future

 

[stevo61]

The bolded part is misleading. Makes it sound like Heatherington has been toiling in the AHL for 3 seasons and just now made it to the 2nd pairing. In reality he was on the 2nd pairing in his first season of AHL eligibility on the Calder Cup winning team.

And caused Paliotta to be expendable and sat in the playoffs

 

[Nanabijou]

And caused Paliotta to be expendable and sat in the playoffs

Yeah, I was hoping that Heatherington would progress a little faster but I think major is being a bit harsh here.

 

[The Wheelchair]

I think you're valid on Peeke v. Heatherington. As for Kolesar, everything I've seen/read about him over the last year makes me think he's a headcase. I really don't think he'll pan out.

This is a hell of a thing to say about a teenager without backing it up in any way.

 

[major major]

My assessment of Heatherington is based on watching him play and seeing how unforgiving his mobility is.

I didn't mean to imply that being second pair in the AHL is a bad thing at his age. I was replying to a comment that suggested he was far more accomplished than Peeke, which is maybe true in some sense but in my opinion nothing special.

 

[Viqsi]

Kolesar add Gavrikov



Would love to see that list. Viqsis too.

http://nwcs.com/~jvc/haqi/2016summerprospectranking.txt

Past rankings are there as well; just change the year. (2014 is the exception; I don't know what I did with that one.)

 

[NotWendell]

Forsberg add Zaar

Ditto that!

 

[major major]

http://nwcs.com/~jvc/haqi/2016summerprospectranking.txt

Past rankings are there as well; just change the year. (2014 is the exception; I don't know what I did with that one.)

I'm baffled by Tynan ahead of Nuti and Gavi, but naturally I like that you put Peeke ahead of Heatherington.

 

[Viqsi]

I'm baffled by Tynan ahead of Nuti and Gavi, but naturally I like that you put Peeke ahead of Heatherington.

I have a very high opinion of Tynan. Always have.

And, admittedly, Garvikov would be noticably higher if I wasn't worried about his contract situation.

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

...And Nutivaara would be at the top if you had the competence which apparently can only develop inside the reach of what is the Eurasian state of the art ice hockey environment.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

...And Nutivaara would be at the top if you had the competence which apparently can only develop inside the reach of what is the Eurasian state of the art ice hockey environment.

So competence can only be developed within one's geographic confines?

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

So competence can only be developed within one's geographic confines?

Yes it appears that in order to acquire the necessary low-level, under the hood requirements for competence you would very much have to be geographically located somewhere North-West of the Trieste/St. Petersburgh line. This is after all only the second decade of this movement in terms of broader ice hockey awareness hence why the new, superior culture seems foreign at glance.

Of course you can verify by first asking yourself whether you have the adequate competence? That enquiry was established by the Leading One in YLE's World Championship studio discussion which soon went off the air when the resistance forces of Finnish Ice Hockey Federation swiftly struck the playbook talk down. Somewhat ironically every major victory for Finnish national teams ever since has come with meidän peli, the total control way of play Leading One has identified as the one and only possible for Finland's success as underdogs, despite the common wisdom of letting go of the puck, wielded dominantly here also.

That example perhaps highlights the incredible weakness of a overachieving ice hockey culture when it comes to looking under the hood and identifying how and why. Now open the hood. What do you see? Do you see nothing like the Finnish Ice Hockey Federation? Or is there something in the works, something which takes effort to learn, skill and in the end competence.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Yes it appears that in order to acquire the necessary low-level, under the hood requirements for competence you would very much have to be geographically located somewhere North-West of the Trieste/St. Petersburgh line. This is after all only the second decade of this movement in terms of broader ice hockey awareness hence why the new, superior culture seems foreign at glance.

Of course you can verify by first asking yourself whether you have the adequate competence? That enquiry was established by the Leading One in YLE's World Championship studio discussion which soon went off the air when the resistance forces of Finnish Ice Hockey Federation swiftly struck the playbook talk down. Somewhat ironically every major victory for Finnish national teams ever since has come with meidän peli, the total control way of play Leading One has identified as the one and only possible for Finland's success as underdogs, despite the common wisdom of letting go of the puck, wielded dominantly here also.

That example perhaps highlights the incredible weakness of a overachieving ice hockey culture when it comes to looking under the hood and identifying how and why. Now open the hood. What do you see? Do you see nothing like the Finnish Ice Hockey Federation? Or is there something in the works, something which takes effort to learn, skill and in the end competence.

So how can someone geographically located in Europe be anywhere near competent to assess the status and ability of prospects in North America?

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

So how can someone geographically located in Europe be anywhere near competent to assess the status and ability of prospects in North America?

It is more of what you carry with you. You could fly to Eurasia tomorrow yet you would not have it coming back. Leading One doesn't use this power which appears foreign and magical to you to thrive in such meager tasks as scouting prospects, instead he scouts playbooks, the idea behind the play. I use the 'play' to my advantage as we have seen with Wennberg, Hartnell and Puljujärvi for example. Let the play tell you everything.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

It is more of what you carry with you. You could fly to Eurasia tomorrow yet you would not have it coming back. Leading One doesn't use this power which appears foreign and magical to you to thrive in such meager tasks as scouting prospects, instead he scouts playbooks, the idea behind the play. I use the 'play' to my advantage as we have seen with Wennberg, Hartnell and Puljujärvi for example. Let the play tell you everything.

And yet Eurasia-bound wisdom must be ineffectual in studying how playbooks drive the play of North American youngsters, if your earlier comment about geographical location is to be believed. I try to reach where you belong. As I will be the song for you, I will be your servant child.

 

[CBJFan827]

...And Nutivaara would be at the top if you had the competence which apparently can only develop inside the reach of what is the Eurasian state of the art ice hockey environment.

If you voted for Nutivaara as often as you insulted people's intelligence, maybe he'd be in the poll by now. Zaar was added over Nutivaara to the #9 poll 5-4.

 

[Viqsi]

...And Nutivaara would be at the top if you had the competence which apparently can only develop inside the reach of what is the Eurasian state of the art ice hockey environment.

...except that literally everyone else here who's from your ostensible Region Of Perpetual Wisdom has joined the rest of us in laughing at and/or dismissing you. Heck, they've added to the conversation with information on your Most High Leading One.

Maybe it's not a regional thing that causes one to become a follower of your cult. Maybe it's something else - I'd speculate, but my suggestions would probably run afoul of board rules.

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

Yes, I still remember the draft day. The Columbus Blue Jackets were proud to select from... as you had foreseen?

I do not seek might nor gleam, gold or glory. The play reveals everything to me. You could have this power too. If you only knew the power of it.

 

[Viqsi]

Yes, I still remember the draft day. The Columbus Blue Jackets were proud to select from... as you had foreseen?

I do not seek might nor gleam, gold or glory.

Irony: insisting that one is not trying to elevate one's own profile and status... with a (premature) "ha ha ha, see, see, I was right!" proclamation immediately prior.

You've been seeking the glory of converting others to your cult pretty much ever since you got here. It's not enough to just say "I believe that Nutivaara is the best prospect and Puljujarvi is doomed" for you; no, you've consistently gone into detail as to how anyone who disagrees is a fool and only true-blooded European followers of the Leading One can possibly grasp this wisdom. You've never given an actual detailed evaluation beyond "if you had the Secret Wisdom, you could See The Play and it would be All Revealed", plus one or two silly comments about the European hockey system and a few nationalistic racist rants. It's absurdly transparent.