Post-Game Talk: Casual Jets lose 3-1

[surixon]

I find it so discouraging that Lowry continues to emphasize that the team primarily only needs to play with more grit and physical play everywhere in order to succeed. This mindset, without some careful balance, could have a decidedly negative effect on Heinola and Perfetti. The downside above all else is that this crew of coachs are incapablr of putting these guys in a position where they can learn, gain confidence and further their development for the remainder of this year. It doesnt look very encouraging to me right now....

Yup just crap coaching. Does Noone in this org understand modern offensive hockey? It's still old school crash and bang, puck to point and crash the net crap. Maybe that works for Lowry's line but it damn well shouldn't be the game plan for the top 2. You have that or Mark and Blake's passive perimeter cycle as our go to plans.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

You think Wheeler is lazy?

After people debunk pretty much every argument against him except contract value - the same tired incorrect tripe gets spewed

I agree he is not lazy at all but he is not the same player he once was. His 5 point night was impressive and it shows he still has the skill but he should not be on the top line. I also think his leadership style is hampering the ability of this team to gel. They play like individuals not a team. He comes off as a bit self centred and arrogant.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Chris Cuthbert is the best in the business but there's a bit of a steep drop off in quality after him on Sportsnet. Singh is getting much better as he gets more games though.

I prefer Singh to Cuthbert but it’s close.
Hextall is just not skilled enough to do play by play at all.
The Jets have not played as a cohesive unit for a long time and Lowry won’t be the guy to get this figured out.
Poor guy is in the wrong place at the wrong time.
TNSE has to be very bold in the off season with coaching and roster changes.

 

[leer2006]

I don't think there is anyone who does not think that the loss of Buff was huge, massive.

But too many people keep lamenting the loss. He was aging out and would have been gone by now anyway. You need to let go. Buff is in the past. It makes as much sense as lamenting the loss of Selanne. Buff is gone. Move on.

This is totally just opinion but I’m wondering if perhaps the reason Buff lost his passion is our wonderful pair of leaders. Perhaps they sucked the fun out of this team. He seems like the kind of guy who would only put up with 55 and 26’s antics for so long before he went f*** this I’m out.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I think you missed my point. A dirt bag on the other team is what gets our guys fired up. Then Lowry or Dillon fights him and we start playing with some passion. Lowry and/or Dillon throwing a few hits doesn't get it done.

It isn't about us getting under an opponents skin. It is about someone, anyone getting under our skin. The best thing opponents can do is take care not to wake us up.

I understand but if we don’t get woken up by controversy started by the other team, maybe we need to start things ourselves. We used to be hated by other teams. Big strong fast. Now we’re tame.

 

[JetsFan815]

You think Wheeler is lazy?

After people debunk pretty much every argument against him except contract value - the same tired incorrect tripe gets spewed

Exactly! You would think he was Andrew Ladd playing with the Coyotes based on some of these discussions. Wheeler has more points than Ehlers in less games played.

 

[blues10]

Despite the outcome last night it was great being at the game. I loved the room in the corridors. They should find a way to build out the corridor while still allowing traffic to flow. Watching live NHL hockey is still pretty great even if the home team forgets to show up. Perhaps they had a pre-game meal of wine and roastbeef.

 

[surixon]

Exactly! You would think he was Andrew Ladd playing with the Coyotes based on some of these discussions. Wheeler has more points than Ehlers in less games played.

Wheeler plays number 1 PP and Ehelers plays number 2. This gives Wheeler a minute more per game on the pp. He also is always out there for empty net situations. One player given every possibly opportunity to chisel points and one who is continually under utilized by this team and on the pp.

 

[KingBogo]

This is totally just opinion but I’m wondering if perhaps the reason Buff lost his passion is our wonderful pair of leaders. Perhaps they sucked the fun out of this team. He seems like the kind of guy who would only put up with 55 and 26’s antics for so long before he went f*** this I’m out.

Biggest hot take winner of the week hands down. That’s how this place becomes such a cess pool.

 

[Ducky10]

Exactly! You would think he was Andrew Ladd playing with the Coyotes based on some of these discussions. Wheeler has more points than Ehlers in less games played.

P/60 5v5 Ehlers leads Wheeler. Wheeler benefits from his 5v4, 6v5 and empty net situations.
You know that.

The hate some people direct at Wheeler is over the top, but that aside, taken in balance he’s been pretty underwhelming given his place in the lineup.

 

[Gotaf7]

P/60 5v5 Ehlers leads Wheeler. Wheeler benefits from his 5v4, 6v5 and empty net situations.
You know that.

The hate some people direct at Wheeler is over the top, but that aside, taken in balance he’s been pretty underwhelming given his place in the lineup.

Take away Connor and Doobie, and everyone has been underwhelming, the rookie everyone is slobbering over has 5 f***ing points! The hate directed at Wheeler and Sheifle is constant and ridiculous.

 

[Ducky10]

Take away Connor and Doobie, and everyone has been underwhelming, the rookie everyone is slobbering over has 5 f***ing points! The hate directed at Wheeler and Sheifle is constant and ridiculous.

The rookie is just that, a rookie and his play has been in keeping with that. I’m far more enthused by Perfetti’s play than 55 and 26’s. You want to frame it as hate, go ahead. I hate neither 55 or 26 but as the leaders of the team and guys who are expected to carry the load, they haven’t lived up to that standard. If you’re happy with their play, I guess we have different expectations. I expect more out of those guys, I think given their place in the lineup I’m not wrong to feel that way.

I’d also say Morrissey hasn’t been underwhelming either btw. Of the 3 guys who wear a letter, he’s the only one playing to his responsibility level.

 

[ecolad]

Take away Connor and Doobie, and everyone has been underwhelming, the rookie everyone is slobbering over has 5 f***ing points! The hate directed at Wheeler and Sheifle is constant and ridiculous.

I dont understand why the discussion about Wheeler and Scheifele gets so emotional and frankly vitriolic. The fact is the organization has made these 2 guys the very face of the team. They are the designated team captains and are supposed to be the team leaders -getting the team ready for games in the Room; setting the right example with their play on the ice! They are supposed to create a positive environment in the Room and ensure that grievances are satisfactorily addressed. Given their elevated positions on the so-called top line and their favorable ice time, they should be clearly making a positive contribution to the team stats (outscoring when on 5v5, and taking advantage when on 5v4)

It is my opinion that neither have met the gold standard now for several years.

 

[JetsFan815]

Wheeler plays number 1 PP and Ehelers plays number 2. This gives Wheeler a minute more per game on the pp. He also is always out there for empty net situations. One player given every possibly opportunity to chisel points and one who is continually under utilized by this team and on the pp.

P/60 5v5 Ehlers leads Wheeler. Wheeler benefits from his 5v4, 6v5 and empty net situations.
You know that.

The hate some people direct at Wheeler is over the top, but that aside, taken in balance he’s been pretty underwhelming given his place in the lineup.

All pointed out the fact that Wheeler has put up more pts than Ehlers in less games, that's all. I did not say or imply that Wheeler is better than Ehlers or more impactful than Ehlers. Just an observation that Wheeler has more points than arguably the Jets most complete forward and regardless of that context that should say something about Wheeler's abilities being better than they are talked about on here.

 

[surixon]

All pointed out the fact that Wheeler has put up more pts than Ehlers in less games, that's all. I did not say or imply that Wheeler is better than Ehlers or more impactful than Ehlers. Just an observation that Wheeler has more points than arguably the Jets most complete forward and regardless of that context that should say something about Wheeler's abilities being better than they are talked about on here.

The points are nice but they tell only a small part of the story. We all know Wheeler can chisel points if put with talent and on the pp, it's what he gives up to get them that is the problem has been for a few years now.

Both Mark and Blake have a team low 44 GF% which is right in line with their forward low 45 and 46% XGF% metrics.

It's not hate for me, objectively they lose their matchups and lose them by a lot. So even if they score some points it still comes out as a pretty solid net negative as they get scored on much more then they score on the opposition.

 

[surixon]

Take away Connor and Doobie, and everyone has been underwhelming, the rookie everyone is slobbering over has 5 f***ing points! The hate directed at Wheeler and Sheifle is constant and ridiculous.

One is a barely turned 20 rookie the other two are the teams so called best players due to usage as well as the two main two leaders. There are much higher expectations on them. I will continue to harp on them until they perform up to what their status and deployment dictates.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This is totally just opinion but I’m wondering if perhaps the reason Buff lost his passion is our wonderful pair of leaders. Perhaps they sucked the fun out of this team. He seems like the kind of guy who would only put up with 55 and 26’s antics for so long before he went f*** this I’m out.

Very speculative. Not impossible. Buff is a pretty hard guy to read, especially from a distance. He is a guy who does what he wants to do and doesn't seem to feel the need to explain himself. It could have been anything. Unlikely we'll ever know.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I understand but if we don’t get woken up by controversy started by the other team, maybe we need to start things ourselves. We used to be hated by other teams. Big strong fast. Now we’re tame.

We are a very different team, true. But I think the lack is not size, strength or speed. It is aggression, or passion. If i knew how or why we got this way and how to fix it, I could get a nice top up to my retirement fund.

 

[Howard Chuck]

We are a very different team, true. But I think the lack is not size, strength or speed. It is aggression, or passion. If i knew how or why we got this way and how to fix it, I could get a nice top up to my retirement fund.

We agree I think, including the retirement fund!

 

[tbcwpg]

This is totally just opinion but I’m wondering if perhaps the reason Buff lost his passion is our wonderful pair of leaders. Perhaps they sucked the fun out of this team. He seems like the kind of guy who would only put up with 55 and 26’s antics for so long before he went f*** this I’m out.

Very speculative. Not impossible. Buff is a pretty hard guy to read, especially from a distance. He is a guy who does what he wants to do and doesn't seem to feel the need to explain himself. It could have been anything. Unlikely we'll ever know.

I don't think Buff would've crawled out from whatever fishing lodge he was at to record a video for Wheeler's big game earlier this season if he didn't like them.

 

[surixon]

I don't think Buff would've crawled out from whatever fishing lodge he was at to record a video for Wheeler's big game earlier this season if he didn't like them.

Yeah I mean Buff was just as big a part of that leadership group as Blake. If anything his more jovial approach counterbalanced Blake's more intense style.

 

[Johnnucleo]

Ended up sleeping thru this game, and I guess I didn't miss much, judging by these comments. Same old inconsistent Jets it seems. Just when you think they'll go on a run, they lose to a struggling team.

I'm glad I didn't have to listen to Leah Hextal, as I just don't think she cuts it as a broadcaster. No inflection in her voice or emotion.

If the Jets could get consistent they'd be a contender, but for some reason, it's a continual see - saw affair with this team. A good couple games, followed by a stinker. Oh well, on to the next one.

All you guys who rip on announcers are hilarious. Who cares? Just hit mute if it really bothers you that much. The whole concept of a play by play guy for TV is so antiquated anyway, it's just something that carried forward from Radio, where you needed someone to describe the play. With TV, you can see it, you don't need someone calling the play.

With that said, Greg Millen is atrocious for sure. Leah - Honestly I don't mind her, only because she has a pleasant voice. She definitely needs to bring some inflection though during certain moments.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

All you guys who rip on announcers are hilarious. Who cares? Just hit mute if it really bothers you that much. The whole concept of a play by play guy for TV is so antiquated anyway, it's just something that carried forward from Radio, where you needed someone to describe the play. With TV, you can see it, you don't need someone calling the play.

With that said, Greg Millen is atrocious for sure. Leah - Honestly I don't mind her, only because she has a pleasant voice. She definitely needs to bring some inflection though during certain moments.

Watching on TV in silence really doesn't work. It is not like sitting in the arena with all the noise there.

A good pxp person can add a lot to TV viewing - which inherently misses a lot that is out of camera shot. Most of the ones SN has are seriously bad at what they do and also seriously Toronto biased. Just irritating as hell.

I don't find Leah's voice pleasant. It grates. What inflection she adds is wrong. When they are broadcasting Winnipeg vs any American team, they need to know that they are doing the HOME TEAM broadcast. Don't show more excitement when the other team scores than when the Jets do. If it is Winnipeg vs another Canadian team, they need to remain neutral. Cheering for the other team is not acceptable.

I have taken to turning the volume down low. There is still sound so I have background noise. But I can only make out the words if I actually concentrate on them. That helps.