MeenOlViks
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Confirmed with Link: Casey Mittelstadt traded to COL for D Bo Byram. Straight up.
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MeenOlViks
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Gerstmann 3:16
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I was looking to wallow in misery so I went out to listen to people tell me how bad this trade was for Buffalo.
There’s a lot of the hockey world that doesn’t think mitts is very good.
There’s a lot of the hockey world that doesn’t think mitts is very good.
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I genuinely like the trade and feel more optimistic about next season because of it. Having said that, it's not a home run for me.
Setting aside the concussion risk and the fact that Byram isn't a righty, which to me are minor concerns, I do wonder if it would have been better to wait until summer to do this.
Who else was CO going to acquire to fill their long term 2C role? They likely still would have done the trade this summer. By waiting, you bring many other potential suitors into the equation. Teams like Boston, who might love Mittelstadt and need a 2C, but aren't going to give up a guy like Carlo before a playoff run.
I give Adams credit for being decisive, and I think it is smart to shift talent balance to the D, but what could he have gotten if he waited?
The other thing that isn't ideal is that he gave up a good player who had established himself in his role to get someone who hasn't really. I am of the belief that Byram could be a huge difference maker for us, but he's younger than Mitts and earlier in his development curve. I get why they did it, but I do kind of wish they'd spent prospects instead of a good player who wanted to stay.
We might end up further ahead in the future because of it. If I had to guess, I'd say we will. But it sucks after so much waiting that they set the clock back again, even a little.
There's my criticism. I'm still excited despite these gripes. I truly believe a better D corps is going to get us where we want to be and people are underestimating the impact another puck mover can make.
Setting aside the concussion risk and the fact that Byram isn't a righty, which to me are minor concerns, I do wonder if it would have been better to wait until summer to do this.
Who else was CO going to acquire to fill their long term 2C role? They likely still would have done the trade this summer. By waiting, you bring many other potential suitors into the equation. Teams like Boston, who might love Mittelstadt and need a 2C, but aren't going to give up a guy like Carlo before a playoff run.
I give Adams credit for being decisive, and I think it is smart to shift talent balance to the D, but what could he have gotten if he waited?
The other thing that isn't ideal is that he gave up a good player who had established himself in his role to get someone who hasn't really. I am of the belief that Byram could be a huge difference maker for us, but he's younger than Mitts and earlier in his development curve. I get why they did it, but I do kind of wish they'd spent prospects instead of a good player who wanted to stay.
We might end up further ahead in the future because of it. If I had to guess, I'd say we will. But it sucks after so much waiting that they set the clock back again, even a little.
There's my criticism. I'm still excited despite these gripes. I truly believe a better D corps is going to get us where we want to be and people are underestimating the impact another puck mover can make.
toddkaz
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For you? There is an actually article written in The Hockey News about it. Someone actually printed a story with the lead being that very reason.
You must even more concerned now. I will pray for you.
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Interested to know who those folks are? I’ve seen some thought that this is a buy low and sell high for both teams which is interesting.
My Cozen Dylan
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Ottawa is where we are. There’s little to no chance they want a futures-based trade for Tkachuk.
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Gerstmann 3:16
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im terrible at even looking at names, it was mostly print people
certainly hasnt been to a level that match the rage happening here
Mattilaus
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A lot of the hockey world hasn't paid any attention to Buffalo for years because we have been irrelevant.
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Can't wait for Cozens to return from Cancun to resume his NHL career.
Have to chime in here , Byram had consecutive concussions and it took a toll . He went into depression and was in a dark place but has recovered from that.
Makar has actually had more concussions than Byram. It's a risk for anyone but he's completely healed
truthbluth
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The only positive about this trade, and I'm really stretching the use of the word, is that it shows, for once, a firm commitment from the team towards a coaching direction. Don Granato is still Adams' guy, and he's building a team in Don's image. I think Don's strategy is bad, but it is actually good to have the FO and coaching on the same page, and to have a commitment to the coach. Continuity is good. I'd say Don has until the end of next season at least.
Jim Bob
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Byram played in 51% of the Avs regular season games since he cracked their lineup.
Hopefully he is healthier moving forward. But, there are legit concerns on that front.
PPG 1C for 3 firsts and a roster player and they hang up the phone?
I realize outside of a vacuum there's no chance Ottawa sells him off.
If he’s Dahlin’s long term partner, where the two play good defense but just create havoc in offense and puck possession, this is going to be a good trade. The handedness doesn’t matter in that scenario.
Jim Bob
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I think people tend to really simplify the idea of "1st round equivalents".
Former 1st round picks have wide ranges of current trade value. Especially when you factor in what the team needs are for the team you are talking about.
Ottawa laughs and hangs up the phone because that offer does nothing to move them forward even if the value in a vacuum is OK.
Trades need to be about roster building and not just winning the trade. And I do not see how that offer makes the Ottawa roster better anytime soon. And they are in the same boat as the Sabres where they need to make moves to improve now and not give up key guys off their NHL roster for a largely picks & prospects return.
People here would laugh off Dahlin for 5 1sts if they were future picks and prospects, for instance.
Fezzy126
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Kind of funny that Krebs name was mentioned in this thread ~80 times and then he immediately got saddled with the two worst forwards on the roster and got fewer ES minutes than any other center on the roster, including two guys that aren't even natural centers (Girgs & Greenway). He also got fewer all situations minutes than everyone not named Rousek.
Granted, not all of these mentions are advocating for Krebs as a Mitts replacement, many are actually combating that notion. But still, the thought that he could be a "Mitts replacement" just adds to the bitterness when watching this team.
And before anyone comes at with "what did Mitts do at Krebs age", real professional hockey teams wait until their prospects are ready to take a spot from the vet above them, they make them earn it and take that spot. They don't just create a hole and sell the concept of hope to their fans.
Granted, not all of these mentions are advocating for Krebs as a Mitts replacement, many are actually combating that notion. But still, the thought that he could be a "Mitts replacement" just adds to the bitterness when watching this team.
And before anyone comes at with "what did Mitts do at Krebs age", real professional hockey teams wait until their prospects are ready to take a spot from the vet above them, they make them earn it and take that spot. They don't just create a hole and sell the concept of hope to their fans.
My main point of aggravation is not just that Krebs isn't going to be as good as Mitts, it's that he isn't as good as Mitts NOW. We are supposed to be getting better and becoming a playoff team NOW. Waiting on another guy to eventually get there is just SO frustrating. Whether it's hoping for KA to add another center, or hoping Ostlund becomes a Mitts type C...either way it's more waiting.
By the time this team gets anywhere (if they actually do become a playoff team) guys like Quinn, Peterka, Benson, RyJo, Byram, will need new contracts. If they play up to a big raise then do a few get sent off in trade because "well we didn't expect to have to pay them THAT much" just like Mitts...while staying 5-10 mil under the cap??
Jim Bob
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I have been a Krebs skeptic. But, I do think he has shown potential to be a good playmaking 3C, especially with the winger depth they have if they want the 3rd line to be like the Roy-Vanek 3rd line was back in the post-lockout CoCaps era with Briere and Drury as the 1-2 combination.
Thompson-Cozens-Krebs as your top three centers depends way more on Thompson and Cozens getting closer to their ceilings than Krebs hitting his, IMO.
Jim Bob
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They are not a playoff team NOW by any stretch of the imagination. And Krebs was miscast as a 4C.
So, they either needed to move Mitts and create a spot in the top 3 lines for Krebs, play Mitts or Cozens at wing long term, or move one of Krebs and Mitts.
If the idea was to add more speed and pace to the blueline and give up Mitts to do it, it makes sense. My biggest concern is less of giving up Mitts as it is getting younger yet again when we have seen this team be too young and inexperienced to make the playoffs for how many years now...
And with as many prospects as they have coming, they will need to move top 6 or top 9 vets out to make room. So, I am not too worried about future moves and cap space and such. My biggest concern is about whether Adams knows how to build a whole playoff roster as he has not shown an ability to build a high character, competitive roster yet.
Obviously they are not as playoff team right now, and they won't be again next season without a major add at C...not Sturm or one of my other preferred 4Cs, but a guy in his prime and able to play up and down the FW line-up. Krebs isn't that guy, and I don't think he will be either.
And yes, they're getting younger still, which is more of my point.
