Confirmed with Link: Casey Mittelstadt traded to COL for D Bo Byram. Straight up.

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This could be true, but it also could be about the term more than the $. If you sign Mitts long term, you're now tied to several forwards long term and don't have as much flexibility with the roster going forward. It'd be one thing if this group that you've tied yourself to had gotten you in playoff position, but they haven't, so I think it's right to be cautious about locking everything in.

With all the prospects coming and the uncertainty of that, I can imagine that I wouldn't have wanted to commit long term to another forward if I didn't have to.

People can disagree with that. I'm open to the argument that Mitts was the better piece to commit to than Cozens, for example, but they didn't. They committed to Cozens last year, so now you have to make decisions, and that's what Adams did.


I actually do think they were being honest when they said they were open to re-signing Mitts. Maybe if, as they were scouting Byram, he shits the bead or gets hurt again, they do re-sign Mitts. I think they just saw this as an opportunity and decided to swing, considering everything involved.
They want that flexibility because they're cheap, not because all those contracts can't fit. You get a good player on a fair deal, that player can be traded any day of the week, down the road if you run into cap trouble. The way KA is working shows they don't even want to approach the cap ceiling, regardless of being able to trade away a contract later on. Teams are making trades like this, up against the cap, swirling around the Sabres every year while trying to make the playoffs or SC finals. We sit around and hope for another day.
 
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Avs fan here. I'm so damn happy for you guys. Byram is a god damn stud who was wildly unappreciated and misused in Colorado.

On the top line, on the left side, with a capable D partner, getting PP1 time - Byram is going to turn into a top 10-15 defenseman in the NHL within a year or two.

FWIW, I think Mittelstadt works well in Colorado and the Avs still lose this trade. Byram is going to be elite, and the Avs sold low on him.

I guess I'm a part time Sabers fan now, Byram is easily my favorite player.
 
It flies in the face of everything they talked about the last couple years. Wanting guys "who want to be here", paying our guys instead of overpaying in UFA, etc. Having a draftee develop into a good two-way FW that's worth a decent contract...when you have the cap space...is a good thing you take advantage of....except when it butts up against an internal budgetary limit.


You just went through a bunch of lame reasons why it wasn't, or to mitigate it to the hilt.
You seem to believe anyone who isn't hellbent against the trade means they absolutely love the trade. There are an infinite amount of options in between those views, as well as the fact that things might not be done yet. Unless you legit thought the Sabres were making the playoffs without this trade, or some other trade that met your approval, I'd reserve the negative hot takes and rhetoric until next season starts. Despite what a few on this board say, the trade generally seems to be praised by analysts as a genuine win/win hockey trade. Let's see where the dominos fall, and if Adams does nothing to address those needs by next October, fire away.
 
The only positive about this trade, and I'm really stretching the use of the word, is that it shows, for once, a firm commitment from the team towards a coaching direction. Don Granato is still Adams' guy, and he's building a team in Don's image. I think Don's strategy is bad, but it is actually good to have the FO and coaching on the same page, and to have a commitment to the coach. Continuity is good. I'd say Don has until the end of next season at least.
Id say there are a few more positives:

1) Byram could be Dahlin's long term partner, which probably holds more value than what Mitts brings, though it depends on how impactful that pair comes

2) Cup experience is nice.

3) This one's a big IF at this point, but if this mean Adams is going for a culture shock similar to Philly and LA shake up trade, then that's something Ive backed for a bit now.
I have been a Krebs skeptic. But, I do think he has shown potential to be a good playmaking 3C, especially with the winger depth they have if they want the 3rd line to be like the Roy-Vanek 3rd line was back in the post-lockout CoCaps era with Briere and Drury as the 1-2 combination.

Thompson-Cozens-Krebs as your top three centers depends way more on Thompson and Cozens getting closer to their ceilings than Krebs hitting his, IMO.
Exactly. My biggest concern is Cozens and Thompson will never put in the work, or be demanded by the coaching staff to put in the work, to become better two way players. Neither are growing in that area at a rate that makes me comfortable with the thought of them being our top-Cs going forward.

I actually was coming around to Thompson-Mitts-Krebs being the top-3 Cs next year (depending on how Krebs finishes the season), and moving Cozens to wind so we aren't so reliant on two inept Cs defensively progressing in that area of the game.

Obviously they are not as playoff team right now, and they won't be again next season without a major add at C...not Sturm or one of my other preferred 4Cs, but a guy in his prime and able to play up and down the FW line-up. Krebs isn't that guy, and I don't think he will be either.

And yes, they're getting younger still, which is more of my point.
I'm not a fan of adding more youth and uncertainty to our d core. At least the potential is there, and Dahlin is a damn good partner to pair with.

As for the roster construction in the forward core- Adams either needs to completely revamp the wings to bring in support for our young Cs who struggle with the more nuanced parts of the game + a veteran bottom 6 C who can fill in if Krebs sruggles at 3C or find a veteran, two-way C to play in the top-6 and move Cozens to wing.

I'm talking a big time trade for the wings. If Crouse is available, ante up. He'd make life a lot easier for Cozens as opposed to someone like Peterka. We can't have Skinner, Peterka, Cozens, Thompson making up 4/6 of our top-6 new year. Lots of skill, but as I said, they all lack in the more nuanced part of the game.

The forward core is all out of whack, and it has been all season. Trading Mitts amplifies the issue. If Adams is really going to go for a big culture shock meaning at least one more big time trade that shakes up the top-6 and brings in a top-6 role player this team lacks, then Ill feel way more content, and actually give him props for being bold.
 
You seem to believe anyone who isn't hellbent against the trade means they absolutely love the trade. There are an infinite amount of options in between those views, as well as the fact that things might not be done yet. Unless you legit thought the Sabres were making the playoffs without this trade, or some other trade that met your approval, I'd reserve the negative hot takes and rhetoric until next season starts. Despite what a few on this board say, the trade generally seems to be praised by analysts as a genuine win/win hockey trade. Let's see where the dominos fall, and if Adams does nothing to address those needs by next October, fire away.
Nope. I just don't want to hear lame rationale about how the hole at C isn't as bad as it is. The guys we already have struggled this season quite a bit, and we traded away the best guy. It's quite a problem that I doubt KA goes the necessary lengths to fix. I fear that he actually thinks Kulich or Savoie can step in soon. Even if Ostlund can be a solid middle-six C (which I believe) it's another couple years waiting on development. Next season should have been a big push forward, and I doubt that happens without a better C spine, that's ready to play in their prime.
 
Kind of funny that Krebs name was mentioned in this thread ~80 times and then he immediately got saddled with the two worst forwards on the roster and got fewer ES minutes than any other center on the roster, including two guys that aren't even natural centers (Girgs & Greenway). He also got fewer all situations minutes than everyone not named Rousek.

Granted, not all of these mentions are advocating for Krebs as a Mitts replacement, many are actually combating that notion. But still, the thought that he could be a "Mitts replacement" just adds to the bitterness when watching this team.

And before anyone comes at with "what did Mitts do at Krebs age", real professional hockey teams wait until their prospects are ready to take a spot from the vet above them, they make them earn it and take that spot. They don't just create a hole and sell the concept of hope to their fans.
The roster is a complete mess right now with the trade deadline and injuries. I think you could argue that every center got saddled with some dead weight the way Granato had to juggle forwards.
 
Kind of funny that Krebs name was mentioned in this thread ~80 times and then he immediately got saddled with the two worst forwards on the roster and got fewer ES minutes than any other center on the roster, including two guys that aren't even natural centers (Girgs & Greenway). He also got fewer all situations minutes than everyone not named Rousek.

Granted, not all of these mentions are advocating for Krebs as a Mitts replacement, many are actually combating that notion. But still, the thought that he could be a "Mitts replacement" just adds to the bitterness when watching this team.

And before anyone comes at with "what did Mitts do at Krebs age", real professional hockey teams wait until their prospects are ready to take a spot from the vet above them, they make them earn it and take that spot. They don't just create a hole and sell the concept of hope to their fans.

There is also something to wondering why Granato has such a short leash for Krebs and Krebs alone among the regular forwards. It's clear the season is burned, we're back to wondering what someone could do in a larger role because the coach is still trying to squeak out last-ditch wins. Reminds me of Reinhart at center for what? four? five? years in a row.
 
The roster is a complete mess right now with the trade deadline and injuries. I think you could argue that every center got saddled with some dead weight the way Granato had to juggle forwards.

I disagree, there was a clear opportunity to elevate Krebs and roll out a functional concept.

Top 6:
Skinner-Krebs-Tuch
Benson-Cozens-Peterka

3rd Line:
Greenway-Girgs-Okposo

4th Line
Rousek-Robinson-Olofsson

The 4th line got limited minutes/shifts anyway, so why kill 3 other lines? Ultimately it wouldn't have mattered, the b2b travel + trade + Tage injury really killed energy and chemistry, and Nashville has been hot so the end result was highly unlikely to change. But if we're gonna trade Mitts lets run Krebs out there and see what we have.
 
There is also something to wondering why Granato has such a short leash for Krebs and Krebs alone among the regular forwards. It's clear the season is burned, we're back to wondering what someone could do in a larger role because the coach is still trying to squeak out last-ditch wins. Reminds me of Reinhart at center for what? four? five? years in a row.
Which is why it's hilarious anytime I hear someone argue against hiring a vet coach because the guy would be stubborn, stuck in the mud and take it out on kids.
 
Which is why it's hilarious anytime I hear someone argue against hiring a vet coach because the guy would be stubborn, stuck in the mud and take it out on kids.

Look at how Ruff f***ed with Holtz and more importantly Meier and it seems like he'd have guys like that here right away. *shrug* Coaches have favorites but some are clearly not good for a particular guy(s) who play for them.
 
There is also something to wondering why Granato has such a short leash for Krebs and Krebs alone among the regular forwards. It's clear the season is burned, we're back to wondering what someone could do in a larger role because the coach is still trying to squeak out last-ditch wins. Reminds me of Reinhart at center for what? four? five? years in a row.
Not to get all conspiratorial, but Krebs is an RFA, so 20 games as a productive 2nd line C would give him leverage for a pay raise.
 
We agree on the first half of this, but I don't think I'm overreacting to how good Mitts is. It's about how he compares to what we have. I see that he's probably a lesser talent yet more effective than Thompson (possession hound vs possession hole), and for now still better than Cozens (although I think Cozens has more upside and potential). So for your bullet points -

1 - I saw Mitts as the safety net or outright replacement for either of them if they can't be better.
2 - Krebs can move up to 3C if Mitts moves up or someone else goes to wing.
3 - not much, because we both agree that players like what we want/need don't move, or that KA won't get one.

My final frustration is that this move doesn't happen unless an internal budget is an issue. That spells bad news for anything else the team does in the near future.
If Mitts is the best C on this team, then they are never sniffing the playoffs, IMO. That is what happened this season and I do not see a future where the rest of the roster is good enough to overcome a center situation where Mitts is better than Thompson and Cozens if they had kept Mitts.

And the budget questions are a huge concern to me, regardless of this trade. There is a consistent trend right now where the Bills are getting tons of resources and the Sabres get scraps.
 
If Mitts is the best C on this team, then they are never sniffing the playoffs, IMO. That is what happened this season and I do not see a future where the rest of the roster is good enough to overcome a center situation where Mitts is better than Thompson and Cozens if they had kept Mitts.

And the budget questions are a huge concern to me, regardless of this trade. There is a consistent trend right now where the Bills are getting tons of resources and the Sabres get scraps.
If Mitts was the best C and they traded him away with no plan to replace him with a comparable player or better, then this team has an even less chance of sniffing the playoffs.
 
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I just think it would be borderline negligent if nobody in the FO talked to Granato about favorable deployments in contract years after the past two seasons.

Could be. I know Bowman did shit like that and heard Meehan did too. *shrug*

It seems like his counting stats are already crushed for the year. Even if he put up a point-per-game down the final 20 games, it's not going to give him a lot of leverage.
 
And before anyone comes at with "what did Mitts do at Krebs age", real professional hockey teams wait until their prospects are ready to take a spot from the vet above them, they make them earn it and take that spot. They don't just create a hole and sell the concept of hope to their fans.

This team did the same thing when they traded ROR after seeing 6 games of 19 year old Casey Mittelstadt. It took five more years for Casey to become capable of filling that role and then they swiftly trade him away too.
 
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Interested to know who those folks are? I’ve seen some thought that this is a buy low and sell high for both teams which is interesting.
Sirius xm nhl program, who ever the lady is. “Can a middling center on a bad team elevate to be colorados #2, I have my doubts.” Only been catching bits and pieces at work.
 
Altitude could make a difference but still not a good look for Donny
The PP is proof this team doesn't put an effort in at practice.

I do admit though, I love the dance contests at the end of practice.
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