Confirmed with Link: Casey Mittelstadt traded to COL for D Bo Byram. Straight up.

[JLewyB]

As someone who has been begging for more Top-4 D, I cant argue with this trade. In fact, I like it. How many times have we been stuck with shit D-men while one or more of Power, Dahlin and Sammy were out. Right now, we only have 2 top-4 caliber D playing(Joki is doing fine too but you cant rely on him to keep it up). And Power has been struggling. We have forwards coming that can fill the hole that Mitts left. Its also easier to sign mid level forwards in UFA than it is to sign a defenseman.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Maybe we can use Byram to trade for needs, like a great puck controlling two way playmaker... Someone like Mittelstadt?

This is humorous to me. Im intrigued by Byram, but Adams just created a cater sized hole, and it doesn't appear as any other center on this team is willing/ready to play that role. Obviously, he didnt want to pay Mitts, but still- it's baffling to create such a big hole on a team that needed a prayer to make the playoffs in January and has a lot of holes to fill.

I mean- could he have packaged Mitts with something enticing and went big fish shopping? It's just a very weird trade. Hopefully, Byram works out, but we have enough 'hopefully they workout' players on the team.

 

[Tatanka]

Did you even bother to read my original post? I like Mitts, and I mentioned this as a potential silver lining to a deal which I find holds too much risk. But maybe there'll be the off-ice positive of scaring a few stragglers on the team to taking things more seriously and being ready to play in October. Thats all I said.

Theres no way the Sabres would have tarnished what little reputation they have left in the league by trading one of Cozens or Thomspon, if thats what you are advocating in your post. Rightly or wrongly they view those players as future pillars who through either expectations (Cozens) or injury (Thompson) have had a rough year, and they will be who either turns this franchise around or let it sink. No more Okposo Dad, its their team and time now

I ignored your post and was responding to another. Your post is just as daft and my reply would apply to you as well.

 

[1point21Gigawatts]

Adams' actual plan - remain the league's youngest team.

One of my chief complaints besides trading away our best player for what sounds like a reclamation project. We are young enough. Why do we keep getting younger?

 

[Ehran]

One of my chief complaints besides trading away our best player for what sounds like a reclamation project. We are young enough. Why do we keep getting younger?

Because Mitts is old, boring, and dull.

BYRAM IS YOUNG, SNAZZY, BRIGHT AND SHINY !!!!!!!

POTENTIAL !!

So of course he got Terry's attention.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Joker is playing great hockey. If he will sign for a reasonable amount, I don't see why you move him.

Someone is always injured on the blueline, and having one of Clifton, R. Johnson or Jokiharju rotating in and out as needed gives the team depth.

Personally, I'd much rather have Joker back than re-signing Bryson and having him play 45 games as the 7th D.

Trading Jokiharju would be a brain-dead move similar to this - wait patiently for years for an underperforming young player to finally start to realize his potential and then sell high instead of paying him.

And possibly, as in this case, acquire a younger, developing player, redundant to the current roster.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Trading Jokiharju would be a brain-dead move similar to this - wait patiently for years for an underperforming young player to finally start to realize his potential and then sell high instead of paying him.

And possibly, as in this case, acquire a younger, developing player, redundant to the current roster.

Are you paying Jokiharju $4 million if that's what he demands? Because that would give us like $34 million on the blue line.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I mean why communicate like this? The point might not be right (it is speculative), but it makes sense. Changing up the personnel can have an effect on a squad, especially if that player was a prominent/popular player within the dressing room. To your point, it could backfire since Mitts was a hard worker/high effort player. It could also be a wake-up call that lack of effort led to a well liked teammate being traded away, and it could lead to a better effort as a group, if they want to be kept together long term. You may disagree of the likelihood of this happening, but it makes sense, and isn't objectively terrible. I don't know, maybe you have a history with the poster you're replying to.

What I have is a history with working in a team environment with high expectations among everyone involved, with people to answer to above us, and very clear goals to achieve that define success or failure. Many people, it turns out, do not have the slightest clue as to the manner in which to bring the best out of a team, especially when under stressful circumstances. In comparison a sports team, even at the pro level, is a less stressful environment but the standards are much the same. If there are a few in a group that need to have an attitude adjustment there are several better ways to achieve that than to get rid of one of the few good examples of the group. It was a faulty and possibly ignorant point. I'm not pulling punches on that.

 

[Game suspension]

Because Mitts is old, boring, and dull.

BYRAM IS YOUNG, SNAZZY, BRIGHT AND SHINY !!!!!!!

POTENTIAL !!

So of course he got Terry's attention.

Well there is no doubt who the better skater is. So there is that.

 

[HaNotsri]

things I expect the GM to say:

1. Byram was the player we targeted.
2. Casey wanted an opportunity to be a 1/2 center.
3. We don't really care about LH/RH D.

"We're not afraid to do things our way"

 

[SwordStanley10]

I ignored your post and was responding to another. Your post is just as daft and my reply would apply to you as well.

Thank you for the well-put response. HF is cooking these days geez

 

[1point21Gigawatts]

"We're not afraid to do things our way"

“We want players who want to be here.” Even if that doesn’t apply in this situation, I bet he says it anyway.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Are you paying Jokiharju $4 million if that's what he demands? Because that would give us like $34 million on the blue line.

Today's trade makes it a tougher decision, but that's a Kevyn question. We appear to be "all in" on defense regardless.

Maybe his next genius move is to dump Joker and re-up EJ for depth at league minimum.

 

[S E P H]

Not sure what other Avs fans said, but Avs sold high on Byram. He was awful this season and I would take it a major reason why is because he needs the puck to be effective. You won't be able to do that with Makar and Toews being older and more talented at this stage. His entire WHL campaign that got him drafted in the top 5 was him pretty much acting as a rover due to his talent dangling kids with moves that would never work in the pros (this was one of the reasons why I disliked the pick at the time). Now, this isn't to say he doesn't have talent, he absolutely does, but in a reduced form compared to where the Avs probably saw him.

The problem with Byram is that his play away from the puck is lacking in a lot of regards, he keeps pushing for offence and strictly offence because that's all he knows. He wants the puck and dangle through blokes and snipe it. I made the comparison earlier on our board, but at this point, he was going the route of Matt Dumba 2.0. A very high-risk defender who thinks of only offence for the sake of the defensive game. This doesn't mean he's not trying to learn the defensive game, but I don't think at this point, he will ever come close to being an average or above-average defenceman in the defensive zone. Not that you need him to be that, pair him with a shutdown bloke like Samuelsson, he might be able to do wonders and play the style he wants to play.

You lot got him to push the play offensively and for the transition game. When Avs won the Cup, he was one of the most steady defenders of anyone. He got the easier minutes but did wonders with them. Now, other Avs fans will state how the "Avs won the Cup because of Byram," those are overvaluation of his play. He was very good in the Cup Finals, but he was not the breaking point between Avs winning or losing the Cup; Avs were always going to win the Cup with the Lightning injury list. I don't think he was as immense in the defensive zone as other Av fans will say, he primarily dominated in the transition game and fed quick pucks up to the forwards. He was good in the defensive zone, though, that seems much more of a fluke or an enigma at this point than a norm.

He still has immense talent, but definitely was on the decline. If he's able to find some traction, you're looking at a #2-3 offensive-gifted defender with a knack for goalscoring and many brain-dead defensive plays - he could eventually become a 15-40 defenceman. I would consider him more as a #3 with heavy offensive zone minutes along with the usage of Tyson Barrie when he was part of the Avs. If he's able to clean up his defensive zone plays, he will be more along the route of being a #2 defenceman. Sorry, I am short on time so I am not proofreading this post.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Eddy O saying he heard Byram didn’t wanna be in Colorado anymore bc of how they handled his concussion and thinks he explodes in Buffalo

Not sure what other Avs fans said, but Avs sold high on Byram. He was awful this season and I would take it a major reason why is because he needs the puck to be effective. You won't be able to do that with Makar and Toews being older and more talented at this stage. His entire WHL campaign that got him drafted in the top 5 was him pretty much acting as a rover due to his talent dangling kids with moves that would never work in the pros (this was one of the reasons why I disliked the pick at the time). Now, this isn't to say he doesn't have talent, he absolutely does, but in a reduced form compared to where the Avs probably saw him.

The problem with Byram is that his play away from the puck is lacking in a lot of regards, he keeps pushing for offence and strictly offence because that's all he knows. He wants the puck and dangle through blokes and snipe it. I made the comparison earlier on our board, but at this point, he was going the route of Matt Dumba 2.0. A very high-risk defender who thinks of only offence for the sake of the defensive game. This doesn't mean he's not trying to learn the defensive game, but I don't think at this point, he will ever come close to being an average or above-average defenceman in the defensive zone. Not that you need him to be that, pair him with a shutdown bloke like Samuelsson, he might be able to do wonders and play the style he wants to play.

You lot got him to push the play offensively and for the transition game. When Avs won the Cup, he was one of the most steady defenders of anyone. He got the easier minutes but did wonders with them. Now, other Avs fans will state how the "Avs won the Cup because of Byram," those are overvaluation of his play. He was very good in the Cup Finals, but he was not the breaking point between Avs winning or losing the Cup; Avs were always going to win the Cup with the Lightning injury list. I don't think he was as immense in the defensive zone as other Av fans will say, he primarily dominated in the transition game and fed quick pucks up to the forwards. He was good in the defensive zone, though, that seems much more of a fluke or an enigma at this point than a norm.

He still has immense talent, but definitely was on the decline. If he's able to find some traction, you're looking at a #2-3 offensive-gifted defender with a knack for goalscoring and many brain-dead defensive plays - he could eventually become a 15-40 defenceman. I would consider him more as a #3 with heavy offensive zone minutes along with the usage of Tyson Barrie when he was part of the Avs. If he's able to clean up his defensive zone plays, he will be more along the route of being a #2 defenceman. Sorry, I am short on time so I am not proofreading this post.

Just what we don’t need

 

[SwordStanley10]

What I have is a history with working in a team environment with high expectations among everyone involved, with people to answer to above us, and very clear goals to achieve that define success or failure. Many people, it turns out, do not have the slightest clue as to the manner in which to bring the best out of a team, especially when under stressful circumstances. In comparison a sports team, even at the pro level, is a less stressful environment but the standards are much the same. If there are a few in a group that need to have an attitude adjustment there are several better ways to achieve that than to get rid of one of the few good examples of the group. It was a faulty and possibly ignorant point. I'm not pulling punches on that.

Attitude adjustment was not the point of my post, just presented as a speculative, hopeful silver lining as a tertiary effect of this trade. Thats it. But thank you for your sermon on knowing your stuff, extremely impressive

 

[Cirris]

I mean let's be real. As much as Byram was a pure stud on the Cup run year. His severe concussion issues and sliding metrics made him damaged goods.

Adams was probably the only one that would make this type of move for an asset that should have netted the Sabres a 1st and a quality prospect.

Not an expert on him. But everything I'm reading so far is he's one more bad headshot from early retirement. He's only 22yrs old BTW. I hope that this is wrong.

 

[HaNotsri]

Should be pointed out Kevyn From Accounting also said he wasn't looking to move Mitts and ended up being full of crap.

I'm dead.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Attitude adjustment was not the point of my post, just presented as a speculative, hopeful silver lining as a tertiary effect of this trade. Thats it. But thank you for your sermon on knowing your stuff, extremely impressive

Sorry you can't handle the criticism of a poorly thought out post. But feel free to keep responding well after you said you're done on here, to posts that aren't even directed at you anymore.

If there is a "shake-up" in the locker room, it would be more about wondering why a guy who busted his ass for at least the last 18 months to be the best FW on the team, got sent packing after earning a nice raise for the team that drafted him. There are some major mixed messages to infer from what the franchise has stated in the last two years or so, vs what just happened today.

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

Not sure what other Avs fans said, but Avs sold high on Byram. He was awful this season and I would take it a major reason why is because he needs the puck to be effective. You won't be able to do that with Makar and Toews being older and more talented at this stage. His entire WHL campaign that got him drafted in the top 5 was him pretty much acting as a rover due to his talent dangling kids with moves that would never work in the pros (this was one of the reasons why I disliked the pick at the time). Now, this isn't to say he doesn't have talent, he absolutely does, but in a reduced form compared to where the Avs probably saw him.

The problem with Byram is that his play away from the puck is lacking in a lot of regards, he keeps pushing for offence and strictly offence because that's all he knows. He wants the puck and dangle through blokes and snipe it. I made the comparison earlier on our board, but at this point, he was going the route of Matt Dumba 2.0. A very high-risk defender who thinks of only offence for the sake of the defensive game. This doesn't mean he's not trying to learn the defensive game, but I don't think at this point, he will ever come close to being an average or above-average defenceman in the defensive zone. Not that you need him to be that, pair him with a shutdown bloke like Samuelsson, he might be able to do wonders and play the style he wants to play.

You lot got him to push the play offensively and for the transition game. When Avs won the Cup, he was one of the most steady defenders of anyone. He got the easier minutes but did wonders with them. Now, other Avs fans will state how the "Avs won the Cup because of Byram," those are overvaluation of his play. He was very good in the Cup Finals, but he was not the breaking point between Avs winning or losing the Cup; Avs were always going to win the Cup with the Lightning injury list. I don't think he was as immense in the defensive zone as other Av fans will say, he primarily dominated in the transition game and fed quick pucks up to the forwards. He was good in the defensive zone, though, that seems much more of a fluke or an enigma at this point than a norm.

He still has immense talent, but definitely was on the decline. If he's able to find some traction, you're looking at a #2-3 offensive-gifted defender with a knack for goalscoring and many brain-dead defensive plays - he could eventually become a 15-40 defenceman. I would consider him more as a #3 with heavy offensive zone minutes along with the usage of Tyson Barrie when he was part of the Avs. If he's able to clean up his defensive zone plays, he will be more along the route of being a #2 defenceman. Sorry, I am short on time so I am not proofreading this post.

Thank you for the insight. I was already miserable but it's always good to remember it can always get worse.

 

[Beerz]

Not sure what other Avs fans said, but Avs sold high on Byram. He was awful this season and I would take it a major reason why is because he needs the puck to be effective. You won't be able to do that with Makar and Toews being older and more talented at this stage. His entire WHL campaign that got him drafted in the top 5 was him pretty much acting as a rover due to his talent dangling kids with moves that would never work in the pros (this was one of the reasons why I disliked the pick at the time). Now, this isn't to say he doesn't have talent, he absolutely does, but in a reduced form compared to where the Avs probably saw him.

The problem with Byram is that his play away from the puck is lacking in a lot of regards, he keeps pushing for offence and strictly offence because that's all he knows. He wants the puck and dangle through blokes and snipe it. I made the comparison earlier on our board, but at this point, he was going the route of Matt Dumba 2.0. A very high-risk defender who thinks of only offence for the sake of the defensive game. This doesn't mean he's not trying to learn the defensive game, but I don't think at this point, he will ever come close to being an average or above-average defenceman in the defensive zone. Not that you need him to be that, pair him with a shutdown bloke like Samuelsson, he might be able to do wonders and play the style he wants to play.

You lot got him to push the play offensively and for the transition game. When Avs won the Cup, he was one of the most steady defenders of anyone. He got the easier minutes but did wonders with them. Now, other Avs fans will state how the "Avs won the Cup because of Byram," those are overvaluation of his play. He was very good in the Cup Finals, but he was not the breaking point between Avs winning or losing the Cup; Avs were always going to win the Cup with the Lightning injury list. I don't think he was as immense in the defensive zone as other Av fans will say, he primarily dominated in the transition game and fed quick pucks up to the forwards. He was good in the defensive zone, though, that seems much more of a fluke or an enigma at this point than a norm.

He still has immense talent, but definitely was on the decline. If he's able to find some traction, you're looking at a #2-3 offensive-gifted defender with a knack for goalscoring and many brain-dead defensive plays - he could eventually become a 15-40 defenceman. I would consider him more as a #3 with heavy offensive zone minutes along with the usage of Tyson Barrie when he was part of the Avs. If he's able to clean up his defensive zone plays, he will be more along the route of being a #2 defenceman. Sorry, I am short on time so I am not proofreading this post.

Mitts sucks too.

J/k .. Thanks for the scouting report

 

[Fezzy126]

Gotta keep the streak alive of former players that play an integral role of another team winning a cup. We had way too many eggs in the Florida basket, time to diversify.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Gotta keep the streak alive of former players that play an integral role of another team winning a cup. We had way too many eggs in the Florida basket, time to diversify.

If it's Colorado vs Florida in the SC, my therapist is going to need a therapist.

 

[SwordStanley10]

Sorry you can't handle the criticism of a poorly thought out post. But feel free to keep responding well after you said you're done on here, to posts that aren't even directed at you anymore.

If there is a "shake-up" in the locker room, it would be more about wondering why a guy who busted his ass for at least the last 18 months to be the best FW on the team, got sent packing after earning a nice raise for the team that drafted him. There are some major mixed messages to infer from what the franchise has stated in the last two years or so, vs what just happened today.

Was simply defending myself from a response to one of my posts as you said I had an ignorant point, my sincere apologies. But I will be sure to leave this be now. All the best to you, truly

 

[HaNotsri]

Not sure what other Avs fans said, but Avs sold high on Byram. He was awful this season and I would take it a major reason why is because he needs the puck to be effective. You won't be able to do that with Makar and Toews being older and more talented at this stage. His entire WHL campaign that got him drafted in the top 5 was him pretty much acting as a rover due to his talent dangling kids with moves that would never work in the pros (this was one of the reasons why I disliked the pick at the time). Now, this isn't to say he doesn't have talent, he absolutely does, but in a reduced form compared to where the Avs probably saw him.

The problem with Byram is that his play away from the puck is lacking in a lot of regards, he keeps pushing for offence and strictly offence because that's all he knows. He wants the puck and dangle through blokes and snipe it. I made the comparison earlier on our board, but at this point, he was going the route of Matt Dumba 2.0. A very high-risk defender who thinks of only offence for the sake of the defensive game. This doesn't mean he's not trying to learn the defensive game, but I don't think at this point, he will ever come close to being an average or above-average defenceman in the defensive zone. Not that you need him to be that, pair him with a shutdown bloke like Samuelsson, he might be able to do wonders and play the style he wants to play.

You lot got him to push the play offensively and for the transition game. When Avs won the Cup, he was one of the most steady defenders of anyone. He got the easier minutes but did wonders with them. Now, other Avs fans will state how the "Avs won the Cup because of Byram," those are overvaluation of his play. He was very good in the Cup Finals, but he was not the breaking point between Avs winning or losing the Cup; Avs were always going to win the Cup with the Lightning injury list. I don't think he was as immense in the defensive zone as other Av fans will say, he primarily dominated in the transition game and fed quick pucks up to the forwards. He was good in the defensive zone, though, that seems much more of a fluke or an enigma at this point than a norm.

He still has immense talent, but definitely was on the decline. If he's able to find some traction, you're looking at a #2-3 offensive-gifted defender with a knack for goalscoring and many brain-dead defensive plays - he could eventually become a 15-40 defenceman. I would consider him more as a #3 with heavy offensive zone minutes along with the usage of Tyson Barrie when he was part of the Avs. If he's able to clean up his defensive zone plays, he will be more along the route of being a #2 defenceman. Sorry, I am short on time so I am not proofreading this post.

Thanks for making me even more depressed. He'll be in the exact same situation
on the sabres behind Dahlin and Power.