Carter Update

[Statto]

Please stop being Autistically rude.


Thanks!!!!!

My kids are autistic and I would not accept that as a reason or an excuse from them for the level of rudeness we are seeing... was seeing, now ignored.He will soon be trolling himself.

 

[Crownroyal21]

Muezzin has a back problem. He is doing just fine now. I like Vilardi. He is a good young prospect. 3C to start the let’s see.

 

[Crownroyal21]

Muzzin

 

[Crownroyal21]

I’m tired of the negativity also boys. We have been patient. Things will get better!

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

Well andys.... if you want to talk about reading the comment, maybe you should start by actually reading the comment?!? What I said.. was that he was "*ARGUABLY* the 2nd best forward in the Kings organization right now". Words are important... don't just leave one out to try to make a better argument.

I really don't think it's that crazy to make that argument given the context and what we saw from Vilardi this year. To me, it's way more crazy that you think a player like JAD (among others) is ABOVE Vilardi on the depth chart... I like JAD don't get me wrong... but he didn't do jack in his 4 NHL games and he basically has a full YEAR of development time/experience on Vilardi, who stepped in and immediately made an impact so much so that the Kings pretty much had to keep him up with the big club.

If I'm a GM building a team and I have to choose between a 20 year old Vilardi and a 35 year old Carter, I'm choosing Vilardi 10 times out of 10. And it's really not that close. That's coming from a guy who absolutely loves Carter, he's one of my favorite Kings players of all time. You realize Vilardi was a more productive player than Carter was this past season right?? Carter was on pace for a 37 point season in a full 82 games, while Vilardi was on pace for 42.

Players like Brown, Kempe, and Iafallo might have been more productive players for the Kings this year... but they also received significantly more ice time. Iafallo was getting around 19-20 minutes a night on average while Gabe was getting about 13 minutes a night. So you could legitimately make an argument for Vilardi over those players, especially assuming he gets a full summer of training (for the first time in like 2 years mind you) and is fully conditioned and ready for more ice time to start next season.

You can argue for other prospects like Turcotte and Kaliyev to be above Vilardi on a depth chart, but in doing so you're betting on potential, since neither one of those players has proved anything at an NHL level no matter how good they project to be. Vilardi has.

No one is saying Vilardi is "perfect"... no one is saying he doesn't have weaknesses/flaws and doesn't have things he can improve on. We don't just "think he's good because someone said he was" we think he's good because we literally saw him play... and his play in the NHL during those 10 games was very good at the very least. Obviously, his skating isn't great. Obviously he can improve defensively. Obviously, there's other areas where he can improve. But those weaknesses really didn't seem to be too much of an issue at the NHL level, and if anything that just makes the argument for Vilardi over most other Kings forwards even stronger. He has room to grow, he's going to get better.

Oh and here's another fun thing about Vilardi's 10 NHL games....... He basically DID replace Carter. And the team was significantly better. Now you can call that coincidence, and of course there's other factors, but that's basically what happened. Carter was out, Vilardi was in... and the team was on fire.

Also... Byfield isn't a part of the Kings organization right now so I'm not really sure why you included him in your list of players that are "better" than Vilardi.

Organization means LA Kings,Ontario Reign and prospects drafted by and spread throughout the World!Maybe you should choose your words more carefully. Organization means the whole shooting match and Vilardi is not LA's 2nd best forward,hardly! May never be.May never be their 2nd line centre and won't ever be their top centre that's for dam sure!!!

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

Agreed that comment on Vilardi is unacceptable. You should be embarrassed for yourself dude. Even if it were a Shark/Duck, it still would be unacceptable (probably...lol, jk). But the fact that Vilardi is one of ours -- an LA King....smh. Imagine his family reading that. Not cool dude...not cool.

LMFAO

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

Just a reminder that if you consistently don't like what fellow posters have to say, there's a simple ignore button.

In other words, the dumbest thing you can do if you really just cannot get along with someone is to amplify them, so either lay off and post productively or ignore and move on.

You can't handle that someone has a different opinion and that has probably wide array of knowledge about this sport than maybe you'll ever know! Too bad so sad

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

Seriously... I've been avoiding saying it for the longest time because I don't want to bring up anything political but, this guy's posts constantly remind me of Trump tweets.

"Necas is a great, great player and will be a STAR. Vilardi, on the other hand.. very bad, very injured, not a center. No way! Necas though, great center. What a missed opportunity. So sad! Shame on Rob Blake, he is weak and can't be trusted. And don't even get me started on Kubalik!! The Kings will regret these decisions for YEARS to come!!!"....

Like dude chill we get it, you follow the president on twitter. Maybe don't mimic his rhetoric on a hockey forum?

PS please don't ban me for this lol, this isn't anti trump or pro trump it's just an observation

LMFAO

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You can't handle that someone has a different opinion and that has probably wide array of knowledge about this sport than maybe you'll ever know! Too bad so sad

Or maybe you’re just an unlikeable turd?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You can't handle that someone has a different opinion and that has probably wide array of knowledge about this sport than maybe you'll ever know! Too bad so sad

I mean, I was sticking up for you there actually, but ok.

If you run into one asshole into the morning, that's unfortunate. What an asshole that guy was.

If you run into assholes all day...Guess what? You're the asshole.

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

Organization means LA Kings,Ontario Reign and prospects drafted by and spread throughout the World!Maybe you should choose your words more carefully. Organization means the whole shooting match and Vilardi is not LA's 2nd best forward,hardly! May never be.May never be their 2nd line centre and won't ever be their top centre that's for dam sure!!!

I know what organization means. That's why, in my response. I addressed how you can make an argument for Vilardi over top players at all levels: prospect, AHL, and NHL (minus Kopitar of course). I talked about how he's probably a better player than a guy like Carter (as of today, not trying to disrespect Carter as a player or his career at all, obviously he's proved a lot more in the NHL but it really seemed like Vilardi over Carter made the Kings a better hockey team during those last 10 games). Also talked about him in comparison to other NHL players like Kempe, Brown, and Iafallo. Then talked about how he's easily better than a player at the AHL level like JAD. And pointed out how you could make an argument for him over other top prospects like Turcotte and Kaliyev, especially since he's actually made an impact at the NHL level already.

Is he FOR SURE the 2nd best forward in the organization?? Maybe not.. nothing is really clear cut right now after Kopitar being the #1 forward. That's why I said you can make an argument that he is... as I basically did in my last response to you.

To say "Vilardi will never be a top centre thats for dam sure!!" is just ignorant. You're talking about a 20 year old hockey player who was a top 3-5 talent in the 2017 draft. A guy who instantly made a significant impact at both the AHL and NHL levels despite having missed over a year of development time at a prime developmental age.

Like I said, he's only going to get better... yet for some reason in your mind he has no chance of improvement? He was probably good enough to hold down a 2nd line center role this past season, he just wasn't fully up to speed in terms of conditioning (which is incredibly understandable). But you don't really want to acknowledge any of that. It's just weird honestly.

We clearly disagree on Vilardi. That's fine. I'm over it. We're just going to have to agree to disagree and see what happens in the next couple seasons.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Just wondering... how much wing has Carter played the last couple years?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Just wondering... how much wing has Carter played the last couple years?

He's kinda been on and off since we hadn't really had better C options, but I think he's better suited to wing at this point in his career. Sort of like when we got him--just let him zip up and down the wing and unload shots and he'll provide a little extra size for the boards and heady defense. I don't think we expected him to be as good at C as he was for 4-5 years, haha. But in short to answer your questions, probably 40% wing, 60%C? Would folks say that's accurate?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Just wondering... how much wing has Carter played the last couple years?

He's kinda been on and off since we hadn't really had better C options, but I think he's better suited to wing at this point in his career. Sort of like when we got him--just let him zip up and down the wing and unload shots and he'll provide a little extra size for the boards and heady defense. I don't think we expected him to be as good at C as he was for 4-5 years, haha. But in short to answer your questions, probably 40% wing, 60%C? Would folks say that's accurate?

Since acquiring Carter, he's taken the second most amount of draws on the team behind Kopitar, so I think I'd say Carter has spent more than 60% of his time at C, especially the last couple of years.

However, when he first joined the Kings, Carter was mostly used as a RW on a line centered by Mike Richards with Dustin Penner on LW.

On power plays he'll also be used as a winger and net front presence while Kopitar and Doughty dick around with passes along the perimeter.

 

[Lt Dan]

Since acquiring Carter, he's taken the second most amount of draws on the team behind Kopitar, so I think I'd say Carter has spent more than 60% of his time at C, especially the last couple of years.

However, when he first joined the Kings, Carter was mostly used as a RW on a line centered by Mike Richards with Dustin Penner on LW.

On power plays he'll also be used as a winger and net front presence with Kopitar and Doughty dick around with passes along the perimeter.

You say dick around, I say that they play hot potato

 

[redcard]

Just a reminder that if you consistently don't like what fellow posters have to say, there's a simple ignore button.

In other words, the dumbest thing you can do if you really just cannot get along with someone is to amplify them, so either lay off and post productively or ignore and move on.

At a certain point, something else has to be done, and I'd argue we have long past reached that point.

Its impossible to follow whats going on in this thread with the same poster trolling and spewing garbage, and this is hardly the first thread that its happened. The forum used to notify you when a post contained a quote from an ignored member but it no longer does. So all we see is the responses with no context and have to figure out that the reason we can't follow what's going on is because the same poster is derailing the thread again.

This will continue until everyone stops responding and ignores him, meaning every new poster that shows up here has to figure that out for themselves. This isn't the case of a couple people having trouble getting along, this is one guy clearly trolling and the rest of us on the same page. The posters who have ignored him and encouraged others to do so have no further way to remedy the issue. Action needs to be taken upstairs.

 

[King'sPawn]

Just a reminder that if you consistently don't like what fellow posters have to say, there's a simple ignore button.

In other words, the dumbest thing you can do if you really just cannot get along with someone is to amplify them, so either lay off and post productively or ignore and move on.

I understand as a mod, you are taking the approach of encouraging users to use features. If I were you, I'm sure I'd do the same thing.

From my end, I've already put him on ignore. I'm still subject to reading his ignorant and offensive drivel, because even though I don't see the quote, I see the summaries from others.

So at this point, my choices of recourse are:
- ignoring any threads he derails
- ignoring the people who respond to him
- just suffer through it, at which point the ignore feature is meaningless
- hope he grows up or violates board policy where he gets suspended/banned

I'm not calling for action. I respect you and your methodology. But I just want to provide my input on how much ignoring has helped.

 

[HeadInjury]

I find the ignore function to be more annoying than the real thing.

I'm not into banning, but I can't think of anyone in all my years here who that has contributed less to the meaningful discussion of hockey. I'm half convinced he's just trolling, or he's 12, or both.

 

[HeadInjury]

I mean, I was sticking up for you there actually, but ok.

If you run into one asshole into the morning, that's unfortunate. What an asshole that guy was.

If you run into assholes all day...Guess what? You're the asshole.

I used to date someone who thought everybody around her was a jerk.

I said to her, "So how long will it be before you start thinking I'm a jerk?"

She thought that was funny and laughed.

The answer to my question was about 2 weeks.

 

[KopitarGOAT420]

But I just want to provide my input on how much ignoring has helped.

Just ignored him and yikes I see what you guys mean about the threads being confusing as hell without his posts. My b.

Didn't realize it's been an issue for so long. Also didn't realize he could just be trolling people. I really don't like the idea of just ignoring someone because they bother me or have different opinions but this seems like it's on another level. Seems like he just constantly runs around these threads spewing anything and everything that comes to mind, mostly in a very obnoxious way. Probably laughing to himself when people like me take him seriously and try to respond.

Oh well, hope he figures it out I guess.

 

[kilowatt]

He's kinda been on and off since we hadn't really had better C options, but I think he's better suited to wing at this point in his career. Sort of like when we got him--just let him zip up and down the wing and unload shots and he'll provide a little extra size for the boards and heady defense. I don't think we expected him to be as good at C as he was for 4-5 years, haha. But in short to answer your questions, probably 40% wing, 60%C? Would folks say that's accurate?

When we traded for Carter, it wasn’t as a 2C, it was as a 1RW. That’s what he was for the 2012 run. Then Richards fell and Carter got shoved between Toffoli and Pearson and the rest is history.

But our best team, 2012, was Kopitar / Richards / Stoll down the middle.

 

[bouncesonly]

Just a reminder that if you consistently don't like what fellow posters have to say, there's a simple ignore button.

In other words, the dumbest thing you can do if you really just cannot get along with someone is to amplify them, so either lay off and post productively or ignore and move on.

Pretty much this...

I must have someone on ignore because reading this without any context made me laugh harder than I should have .

First page made no sense after the 4th post cause it went like this for me:

I think Blake is extremely stoopid for not trading for Connor McDavid. What a dumb asshole.

and then...

and then...

Bro, let Kubalik go. It's over. He's gone. It wasn't Blake's fault... He didn't want to sign with the Kings. These things happen. Move on.

Cal Petersen didn't want to sign with the Sabres and now it looks like we have our goalie of the future. You win some, you lose some.

Also, 'the youth movement should have happened a few years ago'???????? With what prospects??? A few years ago we had little to no high end talent in the pipeline. So what young players would you have wanted to see playing for the Kings 'years ago' exactly?? You can't have a youth movement if you have no youth. That's why it's taken a couple years to build up our prospect pool, develop players, and get ready for the future.

Now we're going to start to see the youth movement and it's going to be fun as hell so maybe just kick back and enjoy instead of constantly annoying the crap out of an entire forum just because of some 7th round pick that chose not to sign with the Kings.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

At a certain point, something else has to be done, and I'd argue we have long past reached that point.

Its impossible to follow whats going on in this thread with the same poster trolling and spewing garbage, and this is hardly the first thread that its happened. The forum used to notify you when a post contained a quote from an ignored member but it no longer does. So all we see is the responses with no context and have to figure out that the reason we can't follow what's going on is because the same poster is derailing the thread again.

This will continue until everyone stops responding and ignores him, meaning every new poster that shows up here has to figure that out for themselves. This isn't the case of a couple people having trouble getting along, this is one guy clearly trolling and the rest of us on the same page. The posters who have ignored him and encouraged others to do so have no further way to remedy the issue. Action needs to be taken upstairs.

Things are done. Posts are deleted, warnings are issued as appropriate. But "bad opinions" getting amplified by a lynch mob isn't one posters fault. That's a community. Things are 'hard to follow' not because of one post but because that sets off 10-15 other posters who just 'don't like' the content even when it's not breaking rules so they round up a dogpile that turns everything into a shitshow.

Also consider there are only two of us locals now and we're not here 24-7 despite popular belief so things may not be as immediate as people like. Feel free to use 'report' and if it's not handled in a timely manner by us there are global mods as well.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I understand as a mod, you are taking the approach of encouraging users to use features. If I were you, I'm sure I'd do the same thing.

From my end, I've already put him on ignore. I'm still subject to reading his ignorant and offensive drivel, because even though I don't see the quote, I see the summaries from others.

So at this point, my choices of recourse are:
- ignoring any threads he derails
- ignoring the people who respond to him
- just suffer through it, at which point the ignore feature is meaningless
- hope he grows up or violates board policy where he gets suspended/banned

I'm not calling for action. I respect you and your methodology. But I just want to provide my input on how much ignoring has helped.

I appreciate the feedback, and it helps me understand what people are seeing, but it only supports what I see above--if others are quoting and summarizing posts simply because they don't like the content, all we can do is nuke the thread and start over.

If there's genuinely offensive/trolling stuff, it will be handled. But again we can't catch everything. And not everything is 'trolling' just because it's made by a certain username.

If folks want it tightened up, I'd better not have my inbox lit up again by people whining.

 

[Bandit]

Things are done. Posts are deleted, warnings are issued as appropriate. But "bad opinions" getting amplified by a lynch mob isn't one posters fault. That's a community. Things are 'hard to follow' not because of one post but because that sets off 10-15 other posters who just 'don't like' the content even when it's not breaking rules so they round up a dogpile that turns everything into a shitshow.

Also consider there are only two of us locals now and we're not here 24-7 despite popular belief so things may not be as immediate as people like. Feel free to use 'report' and if it's not handled in a timely manner by us there are global mods as well.

Yeah but come on admit it... you’re here 23/6