Confirmed with Link: Carter Hart Officially Charged With One Count Of Sexual Assault (Per His Lawyers); Non-roster, salary cap info in OP

[swami24]

Bullshit. No evidence anything like this has happened.

Do you people straight up not know what is known or how it is known? This ain't a media lynching.

My statement was gernalized, not case specific.

If you have ever been witness to something that ended up in the media, you may have seen how the facts printed are not necessarily what happened. I have seen this a couple of times.

Per the case, they are charged on the evidence the police have. Let the court decide fate.

 

[mercury]

The issue being that some of the folks who say they just want to be more cautious have actually already made up their minds and are just hiding behind a thin veil of caution. Those folks always call themselves out though, because they're peculiarly focused on the plight of the alleged perpetrators and the ramifications on their lives, rather than that of the presumed victim, and actively disregard everything we know about sexual assault, etc. It's downright creepy, and the impression I always get is that their reaction is actually them getting defensive about their own possible past misdeeds, which makes it even creepier.

I think it's eminently fair to want to keep an open mind to an extent. False accusations, though rare, do occur for a variety of reasons, including cases of mistaken identity. But there’s a way to do that, and a way not to if you don’t want others to presume the worst about you.

You're so insanely wrong that it's astounding. Just stop, man. I am the only person here who actually is discussing legal standards and statistics with regard to these situations. You are telling on yourself as a prejudiced fool while accusing others of what you are doing. Sort yourself out.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

You don’t spend millions of dollars in hush money in order to protect innocent men.

The extent to which it was aggravated sexual assault remains up for debate, but their careers are probably over.

Civil settlements do not imply guilt.

There are many reasons entities choose to settle claims.

To avoid bad press. To avoid long, drawn out fights with expensive legal fees. To get rid of the nuisance.

To avoid the very low “preponderance of evidence” burden of proof in civil cases, which could mean you’re risking a much bigger settlement essentially on the odds of a coin flip.

Civil settlements are encouraged & the rules specifically state they are not admissions of guilt.

Start construing it that way, settlements stop happening, courts & corporations get bogged down, plaintiffs & victims stop getting offers, & the only winners are attorneys.

 

[renberg]

Google won't tell me how to remove my spinal cord. Do you have any tips or tricks

Ask Chuck Fletcher

 

[trostol]

This thread is getting ugly...good day sirs

 

[freakydallas13]

He is an Internet tough guy and IRL coward.

I'm sorry but you aren't allowed to think someone is a coward before it has been proven in court. Thems the rules.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Folks, ease up on the personal attacks and slander.

Anyone not following the site rules will be thread banned.

No more friendly warnings

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Either London PD is totally inept, or the victim concocted a hell of a story, or the media has totally lied if this is a false accusation. There is probably a great chance these players acted in an immoral or scumbag manner, even if they are found not guilty; rape cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute as we know. And if there is a non guilty verdict there is still a high likelihood that there was scumbaggery. No way these guys are playing in the NHL again. Basically the only way they play again is if there was no sexual encounter with the 4 invited players, which doesn’t seem to be the case because of the reported video they took. Irony is that video may damn them. Without the video this is a total he said she said

 

[Philly Fanatik]

why isn’t this thread locked….
Getting too stupid to talk about!

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Either London PD is totally inept, or the victim concocted a hell of a story, or the media has totally lied if this is a false accusation. There is probably a great chance these players acted in an immoral or scumbag manner, even if they are found not guilty; rape cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute as we know. And if there is a non guilty verdict there is still a high likelihood that there was scumbaggery. No way these guys are playing in the NHL again. Basically the only way they play again is if there was no sexual encounter with the 4 invited players, which doesn’t seem to be the case because of the reported video they took. Irony is that video may damn them. Without the video this is a total he said she said

In general prosecutors don’t like going to court nonetheless for sexual related crimes like this because they’re often hard to prove in the court of law. They don’t generally take cases they don’t feel confident that they can convict someone in because they’re very much worried about their conviction rate statistics so you can’t be dinged in that regard for a case you don’t pick up in the first place.

Obviously a public pressured case supersedes all of that & forces these people to take up the case regardless of their confidence level in getting a conviction.

 

[youthoftoday]

Either London PD is totally inept, or the victim concocted a hell of a story, or the media has totally lied if this is a false accusation. There is probably a great chance these players acted in an immoral or scumbag manner, even if they are found not guilty; rape cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute as we know. And if there is a non guilty verdict there is still a high likelihood that there was scumbaggery. No way these guys are playing in the NHL again. Basically the only way they play again is if there was no sexual encounter with the 4 invited players, which doesn’t seem to be the case because of the reported video they took. Irony is that video may damn them. Without the video this is a total he said she said

Even if the woman comes out and says something to the effect of "I wasn't raped, I gave my consent, they did nothing wrong", they still aren't playing in the NHL again. Like you said, it still comes off as scumbaggery and no teams will want to deal with it. 20 years ago, probably, but these days, no way.

 

[Philly Fanatik]

Even if the woman comes out and says something to the effect of "I wasn't raped, I gave my consent, they did nothing wrong", they still aren't playing in the NHL again. Like you said, it still comes off as scumbaggery and no teams will want to deal with it. 20 years ago, probably, but these days, no way.

Exactly!

 

[DancingPanther]

Now you guys have done it

 

[Starat327]

At least the post quota is going to be met this month.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

In general prosecutors don’t like going to court nonetheless for sexual related crimes like this because they’re often hard to prove in the court of law. They don’t generally take cases they don’t feel confident that they can convict someone in because they’re very much worried about their conviction rate statistics so you can’t be dinged in that regard for a case you don’t pick up in the first place.

Obviously a public pressured case supersedes all of that & forces these people to take up the case regardless of their confidence level in getting a conviction.

Yeah, I’m just saying that the people saying “wait for the trial/verdict before jumping to conclusions or forming mobs” don’t seem to understand that the trial outcome most likely won’t matter as far as if the players play in the NHL again. It’s clear something bad happened and these players were involved

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Yeah, I’m just saying that the people saying “wait for the trial/verdict before jumping to conclusions or forming mobs” don’t seem to understand that the trial outcome most likely won’t matter as far as if the players play in the NHL again. It’s clear something bad happened and these players were involved

I think they could play again. I’ll never say never when it comes to sports in that regards because there’s been too many cases to prove sports executives generally don’t have a strong moral compass. But I think that would require two things. A not guilty verdict & one done so in a timely matter where they aren’t sitting around not playing hockey for an elongated period of time.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I think they could play again. I’ll never say never when it comes to sports in that regards because there’s been too many cases to prove sports executives generally don’t have a strong moral compass. But I think that would require two things. A not guilty verdict & one done so in a timely matter where they aren’t sitting around not playing hockey for an elongated period of time.

I think this incident has some extenuating circumstances that will leave a worse taste and image than other accusations where players have played afterwards. Hart is clearly the best player out of the 5 and even he isn’t good enough to bring onto your team with the PR backlash that will ensue

 

[Beef Invictus]

Lets dispell some of the nonsense you have spouted. If Carter Hart is guilty, I hope his career is over, he's bankrupted and spends a significant proportion of his life in jail. That doesn't even come close to absolving him or the other 5 of the crime they would have committed. In my opinion, sexual assault is the worst crime a human can inflict upon another.

Now thats out of the way(not that it should ever have had to be stated) , I'll wait until the details are made available to the public to base a personal decision before joining the witch hunt.

You don't know the facts, you have absolutely no idea what happened until ALL the facts are released to the public domain. You're just another clueless loud torch bearer in a mob accusing people of being rapist sympathisers for following standard decorum. It's disgusting, insulting and f***ing disgraceful.

No one here is championing for Carter Hart, or any of the other players on this charge for that matter. I hate to speak for others, but there isn't a single person that doesn't want to see those 5 punished to the full extent of the law and further if what they have been ACCUSED of is found to be true, if there is, I hope they are banned and socially outed immediately.

However, lets make something absolutely clear. Make an abstract reference to me being a rapist sympathiser again, and we'll see another libel case presented to you.

What details can possibly be made public that justify what happened?

We do know the facts. That's the thing. Go learn them.

You are sympathizing with rapists and scolding us ridiculously severely for passing judgement in a situation where we have a lot of information. You want us to be nice to the rapists and wait until a court finds them guilty to give them judgement for what they've done. You want us to give them the comfort of non-judgement because a court hasn't formally judged them. That's stupid.

Sue me. Go. Now. Or don't make threats.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Still a stupid way to live. The principle is there for a reason.

It's there to manage how government behaves. Not regular people. I am not a government.


It's a smart way to live. Much smarter than waiting for someone to be found guilty of a crime to actually judge them for committing crimes. Per your thinking, if someone who enjoys peeling the skin off kids wants to hang out alone with my kids, I should let him if he hasn't been found guilty of it in court. After all, can't pass judgement according to you!

 

[tinycars]

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Surprised this thread isn't at 100 pages but that may be because stupid people like me are getting their posts deleted.

 

[Magua]

There is an astounding amount of lawyers in this thread. But a total lack of dentists.

 

[deadhead]

If there's a non-guilty verdict they will play again but the league will probably suspend them for a year or two on a "morals" charge, there's language in the CBA that gives them some leeway. But permanently banning them would subject the league to a potential lawsuit depriving them of their livelihood, excessive penalties, etc.

If found guilty, the league would be on stronger grounds to permanently ban them.

There's always the KHL, not sure Russians have morals these days.

 

[Jack Straw]

There is an astounding amount of lawyers in this thread. But a total lack of dentists.

 

[Beef Invictus]

There is an astounding amount of lawyers in this thread. But a total lack of dentists.

I hope someone helps me when I'm sued despite not breaking a single US libel law.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

If there's a non-guilty verdict they will play again but the league will probably suspend them for a year or two on a "morals" charge, there's language in the CBA that gives them some leeway. But permanently banning them would subject the league to a potential lawsuit depriving them of their livelihood, excessive penalties, etc.

If found guilty, the league would be on stronger grounds to permanently ban them.

There's always the KHL, not sure Russians have morals these days.

None of them are going to even be under contract when the trial occurs. They won’t need to be “banned.” They just won’t be offered employment which is perfectly within the NHL’s organizations rights to do so.

Like you said, they can go to the KHL if they want.

The only way this entire thing ends well for the players is if it’s proven that these acts never occurred. Anything short of that and this is going to stick with them. At least at this point that doesn’t seem like it’s going to be the defense and from what I can tell no one has denied that it occurred to this point.