Confirmed with Link: Carrier to the Habs for Justin Barron

[AtlantaWhaler]

The part I took interest in was that Trotz May have been misinformed by the Habs and the Preds recruiting staff. I have been Leary of the scouts for years. And this did nothing to improve that .

I agree that would be interesting if that were the case. Still seems like it’s pretty opinionated though

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

We may not be that excited about Carrier and his contract and his role in the Brunette system, but the fact is that he is an experienced NHL d-man and can play a role on an NHL team.

We traded him for an AHLer. Even if you disagree that the scouts were "fooled" or asleep on the job, it was a loser trade from the Predators direction. Yet another one. And taken together with foolish moves like waiving a top pairing d-man in Fabbro, it's clear who is the chump and which team's management is blowing player evaluations.

I agree the trade based on player v player was a win for the Habs, but everyone keeps disregarding that Carrier has a bad contract. He wasn’t playing anywhere near a $4 million level and he likely wasn’t going to over a 3 year term

 

[Kat Predator]

I agree the trade based on player v player was a win for the Habs, but everyone keeps disregarding that Carrier has a bad contract. He wasn’t playing anywhere near a $4 million level and he likely wasn’t going to over a 3 year term

Yes, but who did the evaluation and signed him to that contract?

Once again, we arrive at the same conclusion. Our management is incompetent.

I think one component that might be used to "defend" these decisions is that none of these players fit Brunette's "next generation hockey system". So getting rid of them to clear some cap and give random players that Trotz finds from anywhere (look in the cupboard under the stairs) aren't an awful idea, but some sort of plan to rinse and repeat at a quicker pace. The downside of that logic is that we don't actually have much, if any, evidence that anyone can play in Brunette's exalted scheme.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Yes, but who did the evaluation and signed him to that contract.

Once again, we arrive at the same conclusion. Our management is incompetent.

Oh, that I agree with. Our management is awful and every player on the team would likely play better in another system. No debate here.

I just have to go off of this year’s performance and Carrier, on this team under this crappy management, wasn’t that good and was playing with a terrible contract

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Predators Reportedly Received Incorrect Information on Justin Barron Ahead of Trade With Montreal

Even though the trade between the Montreal Canadiens and the Nashville Predators is still recent, it's turning out to be a major win for Kent Hughes

www.habsfanatics.com

At some point Trotz is going to make a trade and find out the player he traded for isn't actually a hockey player.

 

[glenngineer]

I couldn’t make heads or tails of the article.

 

[herzausstein]

That -3 in 7 minutes may have alot to do with Saros not being able to stop a beachball that game.

 

[101st_fan]

At some point Trotz is going to make a trade and find out the player he traded for isn't actually a hockey player.

So the perfect fit for "Bruno's system" that isn't a system.

 

[Kat Predator]

At some point Trotz is going to make a trade and find out the player he traded for isn't actually a hockey player.

You'd think someone might read the paperwork and notice "Boris the Black Howler Monkey" doesn't sound quite right.

Ok, maybe not.

 

[Legionnaire11]

I couldn’t make heads or tails of the article.

Hockey markets so thirsty for content that they end up with stuff like this. Then we wonder how some of their fans bring such fanatical takes to our discussions. I wouldn't read too much into it, even if I agree that the optics of the trade are not good.

 

[herzausstein]

The article is nothing but an opinion piece written off the opinion of a TVA "journalist" based off a piss poor game by the entire team in which Saros couldnt stop jackshit. Skjei, Josi, Forsberg, RoR also ended the night as -3 but because theyre established players they get a pass by sports "journalist". I must of missed the part where it had any real information.

Barron may be a AHL player but oh well. If he pans out great. A dice roll sure but it is what it is. Carrier was not playing well in Nashville. He was a -14. 4th worst on the team if we want to use that stat. Our expensive players are bleeding goals against and he is the most expendable. Barron looked fine last game and it isnt like Bruno has an actual system so it may take a long time to actually evaluate him.

 

[Armourboy]

I could care less what Carrier does compared to some of the others because he shoudn't have ever been signed this summer to start with. Trotz corrects a mistake and manages to get a player that breathes is ok in my book.

Carrier is playing better in Montreal because he is essentially playing basic Dman hockey, just like he did when he got here at first and thought he might be ok. While he may be playing with a younger Dman, its probably a better one that he was playing with here.

For what its worth I don't think there is a Dman in the league that would look good long term in this system. It just leaves them too exposed and constantly puts them in bad positions defensively.

 

[Kat Predator]

I could care less what Carrier does compared to some of the others because he shoudn't have ever been signed this summer to start with. Trotz corrects a mistake and manages to get a player that breathes is ok in my book.

Carrier is playing better in Montreal because he is essentially playing basic Dman hockey, just like he did when he got here at first and thought he might be ok. While he may be playing with a younger Dman, its probably a better one that he was playing with here.

For what its worth I don't think there is a Dman in the league that would look good long term in this system. It just leaves them too exposed and constantly puts them in bad positions defensively.

I don't even mind re-signing him. But only at a 5,6,7 d-man sort of contract. If someone else wanted to pony up a 1,2 contract, then shake his hand and move on. Same goes for Lauzon. He's useful, but he shouldn't be a top pairing guy in the NHL.

PS: I don't think evaluating them in the Bruno non-system lends itself to good decisions. None of these guys are Connor McDavid and they shouldn't be trying to create highlights for SC like they are.

 

[ismelofhockey]

Curious. Do you guys have sales or property tax?

There are property taxes that vary according to the municipal laws, and there is a 15% "hidden" sales tax that is added to your total at the cash register or checkout.

Ah, but his salary isn't 3750000 for purposes of Canadian taxes. You have to convert it to CDN (5,385,937.61), and hence he will pay more taxes in CDN dollars, no? Still a massive discount for dollar and cost of living, tho I think many if not most US cities are still cheap for these guys. And if you play in NY, LA, San Jose, you can also make a lot of money on real estate. None of these guys are hurting, not matter what Allan whatsis would have you guys believe. Not to say Canada does not need to cut taxes, there's not much of a military to pay for here, so... there needs to be massive cuts somewhere. Lots of money funneled to the private side of healthcare from what I've heard. Not an expert tho... and education is a massive slice, but you can't raise tuition now with the cost of living the way it is.

That's true, but unless I'm mistaken, NHL players pay part of their taxes in each city they play in, so it gets a little too complicated to calculate their true tax bill.

 

[ismelofhockey]

He loses over half? Holy

He would pay $1.4M in federal taxes alone in the US, so it's not a wild difference especially if you factor in lower insurance and safety costs.

 

[Natey]

I don't feel so bad asking this after your awesome comeback win tonight and Barron getting a goal. And yes, maybe I'll find the answer reading through more of the thread.

Anyway - I've read through a bunch of comments - more on the main board - about Carrier being an absolute trainwreck for you guys and not worth his contract at all.

That is not the experience in Montreal at all. He's legitimately been, well, perfect. Absolutely adore his play so far. Works his ass off, sneakily decent offensively, great first pass out of the zone, and very good defensively. When I compare that to Barron (who I hope has done better for you all and continues to develop)... we're talking first pairing NHL D vs third pairing AHL D level in terms of difference.

What were his weaknesses in Nashville?

As for my opinion on Barron - it's hockey sense. He doesn't have it yet. Maybe it'll come with time. He's got solid offensive instincts, but his defensive play is so very suspect because he makes bad reads. I do hope he improves because he seems like a good kid, but he was just not him for us.

 

[Legionnaire11]

If anyone said Carrier was a trainwreck here, you can safely ignore any hockey opinion they have.

He was overpaid and over played here, but he's always been an obviously NHL level player. He's easily a solid third pairing D who can play second pair with the right partner. I think that if he made half as much and was primarily a 5/6 guy, the opinion locally would have been far more favorable.

 

[Armourboy]

If anyone said Carrier was a trainwreck here, you can safely ignore any hockey opinion they have.

He was overpaid and over played here, but he's always been an obviously NHL level player. He's easily a solid third pairing D who can play second pair with the right partner. I think that if he made half as much and was primarily a 5/6 guy, the opinion locally would have been far more favorable.

Pretty much this. Carrier should have never been re-signed to start with unless it was a bargain level contract. Carrier is an ok Dman, but just like if you think he is trainwreck, if you think he is a really good Dman then you just haven't seen one in a while.

Carrier's main problem is that he tried to do too much most of the time here. He's solid if he plays a basic game and just chips in where he can, but if he actually starts trying to bring offense his game falls apart fairly quickly. He also gets pushed around pretty easily in the front of the net and for some reason he couldn't stay on his skates to save his life it seemed like. Carrier also has a history of getting injured for a pretty good stretch every season, so long term I'm not sure just how much he is going to be available.

In the end he was slightly underrated here, but in Montreal he is still in that honeymoon period so probably a bit overrated there.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Pretty much this. Carrier should have never been re-signed to start with unless it was a bargain level contract. Carrier is an ok Dman, but just like if you think he is trainwreck, if you think he is a really good Dman then you just haven't seen one in a while.

Carrier's main problem is that he tried to do too much most of the time here. He's solid if he plays a basic game and just chips in where he can, but if he actually starts trying to bring offense his game falls apart fairly quickly. He also gets pushed around pretty easily in the front of the net and for some reason he couldn't stay on his skates to save his life it seemed like. Carrier also has a history of getting injured for a pretty good stretch every season, so long term I'm not sure just how much he is going to be available.

In the end he was slightly underrated here, but in Montreal he is still in that honeymoon period so probably a bit overrated there.

I mentioned this in a previous discussion but I’ll also add that while it’s not 1 to 1 we essentially put Blankenburg into Carriers spot and he’s played better than Carrier did for us this season. I haven’t watched Carrier at all since we traded him so maybe his eye test is significantly better but at least statistically there isn’t much difference between Carrier and Blankenburg either. So from our perspective we shed salary and our defense improved at least in the short term. I’m glad Carrier is doing well too but I do really question the idea that he’s a 1st pairing level D and especially not a contending team.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

In the end he was slightly underrated here, but in Montreal he is still in that honeymoon period so probably a bit overrated there.

Agreed with all you said... except... "underrated here"? Well, not by management and media anyway. They seemed to to buy into him being a top-4 guy who deserved the billing he got. Which I would call "overrated". I think the fans here on this message board, as evidenced by recent posts, pegged him about fairly. Decent 3rd pairing guy who tried hard (sometimes a little too hard), got pushed around too easily, but all in all could have been an alright depth player for us if he was on a $2Mish contract. His main shortcomings weren't his fault - they were that he was overutilized, and that he was favored above a better player in Fabbro. That's not his fault. It somewhat colors some of the reactions from some of us here at times, however.

 

[Kat Predator]

On Carrier: He's a very solid NHL caliber dman, who doesn't have a freak attribute. (He's not 7' tall, doesn't bench press small school buses during intermissions, doesn't teleport, and can't flap his stick and fly.) It's not his fault that he was being asked to interchange with centers randomly and play a 200' game; it's the Bruno system's. (He also doesn't have a giraffe neck like Barron.)

 

[tinyzombies]

Agreed with all you said... except... "underrated here"? Well, not by management and media anyway. They seemed to to buy into him being a top-4 guy who deserved the billing he got. Which I would call "overrated". I think the fans here on this message board, as evidenced by recent posts, pegged him about fairly. Decent 3rd pairing guy who tried hard (sometimes a little too hard), got pushed around too easily, but all in all could have been an alright depth player for us if he was on a $2Mish contract. His main shortcomings weren't his fault - they were that he was overutilized, and that he was favored above a better player in Fabbro. That's not his fault. It somewhat colors some of the reactions from some of us here at times, however.

Habs fan here. That’s how I see him. He’s third pairing on a Cup contender with a partner who has size. Sometimes a bit careless with the puck but mostly solid across the board. Can be overpowered in the slot. Can also skate the puck out of pressure and doesn’t panic. Decent passer but not much creativity and no shot, but his quickness will let him get some quick release goals through traffic now and then. A bit overpaid for all that but not by much with cap going up to 97m. Doesn’t rattle against top lines or big teams. Good character guy. And he’s proactive and relentless.