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Confirmed with Link: Carrier to the Habs for Justin Barron

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Kat Predator said:
We may not be that excited about Carrier and his contract and his role in the Brunette system, but the fact is that he is an experienced NHL d-man and can play a role on an NHL team.

We traded him for an AHLer. Even if you disagree that the scouts were "fooled" or asleep on the job, it was a loser trade from the Predators direction. Yet another one. And taken together with foolish moves like waiving a top pairing d-man in Fabbro, it's clear who is the chump and which team's management is blowing player evaluations.
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I agree the trade based on player v player was a win for the Habs, but everyone keeps disregarding that Carrier has a bad contract. He wasn’t playing anywhere near a $4 million level and he likely wasn’t going to over a 3 year term
 
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AtlantaWhaler said:
I agree the trade based on player v player was a win for the Habs, but everyone keeps disregarding that Carrier has a bad contract. He wasn’t playing anywhere near a $4 million level and he likely wasn’t going to over a 3 year term
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Yes, but who did the evaluation and signed him to that contract?

Once again, we arrive at the same conclusion. Our management is incompetent.

I think one component that might be used to "defend" these decisions is that none of these players fit Brunette's "next generation hockey system". So getting rid of them to clear some cap and give random players that Trotz finds from anywhere (look in the cupboard under the stairs) aren't an awful idea, but some sort of plan to rinse and repeat at a quicker pace. The downside of that logic is that we don't actually have much, if any, evidence that anyone can play in Brunette's exalted scheme.
 
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Kat Predator said:
Yes, but who did the evaluation and signed him to that contract.

Once again, we arrive at the same conclusion. Our management is incompetent.
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Oh, that I agree with. Our management is awful and every player on the team would likely play better in another system. No debate here.

I just have to go off of this year’s performance and Carrier, on this team under this crappy management, wasn’t that good and was playing with a terrible contract
 
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The article is nothing but an opinion piece written off the opinion of a TVA "journalist" based off a piss poor game by the entire team in which Saros couldnt stop jackshit. Skjei, Josi, Forsberg, RoR also ended the night as -3 but because theyre established players they get a pass by sports "journalist". I must of missed the part where it had any real information.

Barron may be a AHL player but oh well. If he pans out great. A dice roll sure but it is what it is. Carrier was not playing well in Nashville. He was a -14. 4th worst on the team if we want to use that stat. Our expensive players are bleeding goals against and he is the most expendable. Barron looked fine last game and it isnt like Bruno has an actual system so it may take a long time to actually evaluate him.
 
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I could care less what Carrier does compared to some of the others because he shoudn't have ever been signed this summer to start with. Trotz corrects a mistake and manages to get a player that breathes is ok in my book.

Carrier is playing better in Montreal because he is essentially playing basic Dman hockey, just like he did when he got here at first and thought he might be ok. While he may be playing with a younger Dman, its probably a better one that he was playing with here.

For what its worth I don't think there is a Dman in the league that would look good long term in this system. It just leaves them too exposed and constantly puts them in bad positions defensively.
 
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Armourboy said:
I could care less what Carrier does compared to some of the others because he shoudn't have ever been signed this summer to start with. Trotz corrects a mistake and manages to get a player that breathes is ok in my book.

Carrier is playing better in Montreal because he is essentially playing basic Dman hockey, just like he did when he got here at first and thought he might be ok. While he may be playing with a younger Dman, its probably a better one that he was playing with here.

For what its worth I don't think there is a Dman in the league that would look good long term in this system. It just leaves them too exposed and constantly puts them in bad positions defensively.
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I don't even mind re-signing him. But only at a 5,6,7 d-man sort of contract. If someone else wanted to pony up a 1,2 contract, then shake his hand and move on. Same goes for Lauzon. He's useful, but he shouldn't be a top pairing guy in the NHL.

PS: I don't think evaluating them in the Bruno non-system lends itself to good decisions. None of these guys are Connor McDavid and they shouldn't be trying to create highlights for SC like they are.
 
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triggrman said:
Curious. Do you guys have sales or property tax?
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There are property taxes that vary according to the municipal laws, and there is a 15% "hidden" sales tax that is added to your total at the cash register or checkout.

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Ah, but his salary isn't 3750000 for purposes of Canadian taxes. You have to convert it to CDN (5,385,937.61), and hence he will pay more taxes in CDN dollars, no? Still a massive discount for dollar and cost of living, tho I think many if not most US cities are still cheap for these guys. And if you play in NY, LA, San Jose, you can also make a lot of money on real estate. None of these guys are hurting, not matter what Allan whatsis would have you guys believe. Not to say Canada does not need to cut taxes, there's not much of a military to pay for here, so... there needs to be massive cuts somewhere. Lots of money funneled to the private side of healthcare from what I've heard. Not an expert tho... and education is a massive slice, but you can't raise tuition now with the cost of living the way it is.
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That's true, but unless I'm mistaken, NHL players pay part of their taxes in each city they play in, so it gets a little too complicated to calculate their true tax bill.
 
I don't feel so bad asking this after your awesome comeback win tonight and Barron getting a goal. And yes, maybe I'll find the answer reading through more of the thread.

Anyway - I've read through a bunch of comments - more on the main board - about Carrier being an absolute trainwreck for you guys and not worth his contract at all.

That is not the experience in Montreal at all. He's legitimately been, well, perfect. Absolutely adore his play so far. Works his ass off, sneakily decent offensively, great first pass out of the zone, and very good defensively. When I compare that to Barron (who I hope has done better for you all and continues to develop)... we're talking first pairing NHL D vs third pairing AHL D level in terms of difference.

What were his weaknesses in Nashville?

As for my opinion on Barron - it's hockey sense. He doesn't have it yet. Maybe it'll come with time. He's got solid offensive instincts, but his defensive play is so very suspect because he makes bad reads. I do hope he improves because he seems like a good kid, but he was just not him for us.
 
If anyone said Carrier was a trainwreck here, you can safely ignore any hockey opinion they have.

He was overpaid and over played here, but he's always been an obviously NHL level player. He's easily a solid third pairing D who can play second pair with the right partner. I think that if he made half as much and was primarily a 5/6 guy, the opinion locally would have been far more favorable.
 
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Legionnaire11 said:
If anyone said Carrier was a trainwreck here, you can safely ignore any hockey opinion they have.

He was overpaid and over played here, but he's always been an obviously NHL level player. He's easily a solid third pairing D who can play second pair with the right partner. I think that if he made half as much and was primarily a 5/6 guy, the opinion locally would have been far more favorable.
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Pretty much this. Carrier should have never been re-signed to start with unless it was a bargain level contract. Carrier is an ok Dman, but just like if you think he is trainwreck, if you think he is a really good Dman then you just haven't seen one in a while.

Carrier's main problem is that he tried to do too much most of the time here. He's solid if he plays a basic game and just chips in where he can, but if he actually starts trying to bring offense his game falls apart fairly quickly. He also gets pushed around pretty easily in the front of the net and for some reason he couldn't stay on his skates to save his life it seemed like. Carrier also has a history of getting injured for a pretty good stretch every season, so long term I'm not sure just how much he is going to be available.

In the end he was slightly underrated here, but in Montreal he is still in that honeymoon period so probably a bit overrated there.
 
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