Confirmed with Link: Carrier to the Habs for Justin Barron

[AtlantaWhaler]

The part I took interest in was that Trotz May have been misinformed by the Habs and the Preds recruiting staff. I have been Leary of the scouts for years. And this did nothing to improve that .

I agree that would be interesting if that were the case. Still seems like it’s pretty opinionated though

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

We may not be that excited about Carrier and his contract and his role in the Brunette system, but the fact is that he is an experienced NHL d-man and can play a role on an NHL team.

We traded him for an AHLer. Even if you disagree that the scouts were "fooled" or asleep on the job, it was a loser trade from the Predators direction. Yet another one. And taken together with foolish moves like waiving a top pairing d-man in Fabbro, it's clear who is the chump and which team's management is blowing player evaluations.

I agree the trade based on player v player was a win for the Habs, but everyone keeps disregarding that Carrier has a bad contract. He wasn’t playing anywhere near a $4 million level and he likely wasn’t going to over a 3 year term

 

[Kat Predator]

I agree the trade based on player v player was a win for the Habs, but everyone keeps disregarding that Carrier has a bad contract. He wasn’t playing anywhere near a $4 million level and he likely wasn’t going to over a 3 year term

Yes, but who did the evaluation and signed him to that contract?

Once again, we arrive at the same conclusion. Our management is incompetent.

I think one component that might be used to "defend" these decisions is that none of these players fit Brunette's "next generation hockey system". So getting rid of them to clear some cap and give random players that Trotz finds from anywhere (look in the cupboard under the stairs) aren't an awful idea, but some sort of plan to rinse and repeat at a quicker pace. The downside of that logic is that we don't actually have much, if any, evidence that anyone can play in Brunette's exalted scheme.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Yes, but who did the evaluation and signed him to that contract.

Once again, we arrive at the same conclusion. Our management is incompetent.

Oh, that I agree with. Our management is awful and every player on the team would likely play better in another system. No debate here.

I just have to go off of this year’s performance and Carrier, on this team under this crappy management, wasn’t that good and was playing with a terrible contract

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Predators Reportedly Received Incorrect Information on Justin Barron Ahead of Trade With Montreal

Even though the trade between the Montreal Canadiens and the Nashville Predators is still recent, it's turning out to be a major win for Kent Hughes

www.habsfanatics.com

At some point Trotz is going to make a trade and find out the player he traded for isn't actually a hockey player.

 

[glenngineer]

I couldn’t make heads or tails of the article.

 

[herzausstein]

That -3 in 7 minutes may have alot to do with Saros not being able to stop a beachball that game.

 

[101st_fan]

At some point Trotz is going to make a trade and find out the player he traded for isn't actually a hockey player.

So the perfect fit for "Bruno's system" that isn't a system.

 

[Kat Predator]

At some point Trotz is going to make a trade and find out the player he traded for isn't actually a hockey player.

You'd think someone might read the paperwork and notice "Boris the Black Howler Monkey" doesn't sound quite right.

Ok, maybe not.

 

[Legionnaire11]

I couldn’t make heads or tails of the article.

Hockey markets so thirsty for content that they end up with stuff like this. Then we wonder how some of their fans bring such fanatical takes to our discussions. I wouldn't read too much into it, even if I agree that the optics of the trade are not good.

 

[herzausstein]

The article is nothing but an opinion piece written off the opinion of a TVA "journalist" based off a piss poor game by the entire team in which Saros couldnt stop jackshit. Skjei, Josi, Forsberg, RoR also ended the night as -3 but because theyre established players they get a pass by sports "journalist". I must of missed the part where it had any real information.

Barron may be a AHL player but oh well. If he pans out great. A dice roll sure but it is what it is. Carrier was not playing well in Nashville. He was a -14. 4th worst on the team if we want to use that stat. Our expensive players are bleeding goals against and he is the most expendable. Barron looked fine last game and it isnt like Bruno has an actual system so it may take a long time to actually evaluate him.

 

[Armourboy]

I could care less what Carrier does compared to some of the others because he shoudn't have ever been signed this summer to start with. Trotz corrects a mistake and manages to get a player that breathes is ok in my book.

Carrier is playing better in Montreal because he is essentially playing basic Dman hockey, just like he did when he got here at first and thought he might be ok. While he may be playing with a younger Dman, its probably a better one that he was playing with here.

For what its worth I don't think there is a Dman in the league that would look good long term in this system. It just leaves them too exposed and constantly puts them in bad positions defensively.

 

[Kat Predator]

I could care less what Carrier does compared to some of the others because he shoudn't have ever been signed this summer to start with. Trotz corrects a mistake and manages to get a player that breathes is ok in my book.

Carrier is playing better in Montreal because he is essentially playing basic Dman hockey, just like he did when he got here at first and thought he might be ok. While he may be playing with a younger Dman, its probably a better one that he was playing with here.

For what its worth I don't think there is a Dman in the league that would look good long term in this system. It just leaves them too exposed and constantly puts them in bad positions defensively.

I don't even mind re-signing him. But only at a 5,6,7 d-man sort of contract. If someone else wanted to pony up a 1,2 contract, then shake his hand and move on. Same goes for Lauzon. He's useful, but he shouldn't be a top pairing guy in the NHL.

PS: I don't think evaluating them in the Bruno non-system lends itself to good decisions. None of these guys are Connor McDavid and they shouldn't be trying to create highlights for SC like they are.

 

[ismelofhockey]

Curious. Do you guys have sales or property tax?

There are property taxes that vary according to the municipal laws, and there is a 15% "hidden" sales tax that is added to your total at the cash register or checkout.

Ah, but his salary isn't 3750000 for purposes of Canadian taxes. You have to convert it to CDN (5,385,937.61), and hence he will pay more taxes in CDN dollars, no? Still a massive discount for dollar and cost of living, tho I think many if not most US cities are still cheap for these guys. And if you play in NY, LA, San Jose, you can also make a lot of money on real estate. None of these guys are hurting, not matter what Allan whatsis would have you guys believe. Not to say Canada does not need to cut taxes, there's not much of a military to pay for here, so... there needs to be massive cuts somewhere. Lots of money funneled to the private side of healthcare from what I've heard. Not an expert tho... and education is a massive slice, but you can't raise tuition now with the cost of living the way it is.

That's true, but unless I'm mistaken, NHL players pay part of their taxes in each city they play in, so it gets a little too complicated to calculate their true tax bill.

 

[ismelofhockey]

He loses over half? Holy

He would pay $1.4M in federal taxes alone in the US, so it's not a wild difference especially if you factor in lower insurance and safety costs.