Confirmed with Link: Carolina sign Ryan Dzingel - 3.375 x 2

[DougieSmash]

Like I said, i'm not biggest fan of Dzingel around here but we replace Ferland's questionable play late of the season with Haula and Dzingel. Dzingel seems to be pretty pumped to join Canes, i'm happy. So many options for the lineup. I don't want to waste Necas on 4th line but maybe he could follow Svech path and start with Marty and Wallmark, they are rock solid on the D. This quote is pretty interesting (from DW):

"we're happy he's chosen to be a part of the Carolina Hurricanes"

 

[Roboturner913]

This guy has a career shooting percentage of 15.0% Holy moly

 

[A Star is Burns]

If Carolina is walking away from anybody, it's Williams.

Doesnt kill penalties
Wont play the PP much with this group of forwards
Limits ice time for younger players who need it

Dislike

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If we really want RH forwards, we can always put Dougie on the wing

 

[Svechhammer]

Like I said, i'm not biggest fan of Dzingel around here but we replace Ferland's questionable play late of the season with Haula and Dzingel. Dzingel seems to be pretty pumped to join Canes, i'm happy. So many options for the lineup. I don't want to waste Necas on 4th line but maybe he could follow Svech path and start with Marty and Wallmark, they are rock solid on the D. This quote is pretty interesting (from DW):

"we're happy he's chosen to be a part of the Carolina Hurricanes"

Listened to a bit of the interview the Canes had with him on NHL Radio (which, they were literally playing over the air with a mic up to computer speakers... it was sad)

He's genuinely excited about playing in Raleigh. He kept going back to how much he believes he meshes with our style of play, how young we are, and how much talent is here. He went on for a few about everything he's heard about Brindy....

Like, seriously people around the league are taking notice of what this franchise is doing. The style we play is attractive to a lot of players right now, and they listen when we reach out. 2 years ago, this was not the case, period.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

If we really want RH forwards, we can always put Dougie on the wing

you joke, but it would not be the worst thing in the world

 

[spockBokk]

If we really want RH forwards, we can always put Dougie on the wing

W/O Williams, maybe they think the RS guys will come from CLT (Necas/Gauthier/Geekie)???

 

[DougieSmash]

If Carolina is walking away from anybody, it's Williams.

Doesnt kill penalties
Wont play the PP much with this group of forwards
Limits ice time for younger players who need it

I mean who the f*** cares that Justin doesn't kill penalties? We have Staal, Wallmark, Haula, Aho, Teravainen, Martinook, Foegele, McGinn and even Maenalanen capable of killing it. Not to mention how big voice is Justin in the room. You can't replace him that easily. He's still useful hockey player.

btw. No surprise, Dzingel will wear #18, Haula #56.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Man, Dundon wasn't kidding when he said he wanted to come in and be a disrupter. So far, pretty much every move they have made has been a massive hit from the marketing to staff to players. The roster we have put together has the potential to be one of the more talented squads we've had since.... maybe the Cup run? This team is dripping with raw potential, and if we're able to capture that potential and start realizing it, you have to put us on the short list for legitimate Cup contention over the next couple seasons.

It'll be interesting to see what we do next, because clearly we've hit on something that appears to be a success. And we all know when teams hit on success, the rest will attempt to copy. If everyone else starts being as hyper vigilant about contract values as we are, what is the next step we can take to make sure we stay ahead of the game? Because right now, man it looks like we're onto something special.

The thing is, there's nothing really "secret" or "special" about any of it. Everybody in NHL front offices *knows* this stuff, it just takes an insane amount of intestinal fortitude to actually *do* it. So many teams *know* they're making mistakes when they make them, they just can't help themselves. They feel like they "owe it to the fans" or "owe it to the player" or "can't replace this guy" or "this guy means a lot to us, even beyond production," etc.

No. Hard stop. None of those things matter as much as winning hockey games. What I give this group most credit for is seeing that and being able to stick to it, even when temptation comes calling. To me, that's Dundon's influence.

If there's one thing I see in common between de Haan last season and Dzingel this season, it's that the player stayed on the market and the price came down to where the Borg considered it a value add. "Need" didn't factor into it, it was a good use of cap space so they jumped at it.

Right, but you see what happened to de Haan this summer. At some point, you have to address the roster issues that come with finding value, regardless of position, and sometimes, it's not pretty. I agree with what you said, and I agree with the concept, I'm just saying, it's not always pretty in practice. Essentially, our defense-for-offense rebalancing trade ended up de Haan for Dzingel.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

So much for the de Haan trade destroying Carolina's reputation with UFAs.

If McGinn is dealt in the next week, I'll be more concerned with the effect on team grit than the PK. Haula and Dzingel make this a speed-based team again. I felt that there was a concerted effort to become heavier last Summer. That type of roster construction was important against Washington in the postseason. To be fair, the physical play was detrimental at times against Boston. I thought that the Bruins generally outskated the Canes in that series; I wonder how much that has effected their decision making this Summer.

 

[Svechhammer]

The thing is, there's nothing really "secret" or "special" about any of it. Everybody in NHL front offices *knows* this stuff, it just takes an insane amount of intestinal fortitude to actually *do* it. So many teams *know* they're making mistakes when they make them, they just can't help themselves. They feel like they "owe it to the fans" or "owe it to the player" or "can't replace this guy" or "this guy means a lot to us, even beyond production," etc.

No. Hard stop. None of those things matter as much as winning hockey games. What I give this group most credit for is seeing that and being able to stick to it, even when temptation comes calling. To me, that's Dundon's influence.

Agree there. But sometimes it takes a team willing to be that level of cutthroat for the rest of the league to follow suit. Look at the NFL. The Pats have been doing it for a while to a hell of a lot of success, and it has spurned a few copycats. One in particular in Philadelphia which appears to have set themselves up for long term contention with a title already under their belt. And then look at MLB where this has basically already taken over the league where some of the biggest free agents go without signing for months in free agency because teams are becoming far more intelligent with their money.

I'm just very glad that the Canes appear to be on the cutting edge of this kind of adoption in the NHL. For the most part, the teams that adopt it first get a huge leg up on the competition going forward, and causes the rest of the league to play catch-up. We make another long playoff run this year, its going to be hard to ignore what we are doing.

Right, but you see what happened to de Haan this summer. At some point, you have to address the roster issues that come with finding value, regardless of position, and sometimes, it's not pretty. I agree with what you said, and I agree with the concept, I'm just saying, it's not always pretty in practice. Essentially, our defense-for-offense rebalancing trade ended up de Haan for Dzingel.

That's an interesting thought. Trading CDH did open up some room for us to make a play in free agency which did end up landing us Dzingel. I wonder how many people would still be upset with the move now knowing it brought us both Haula and Dzingel in the end?

 

[spockBokk]

So much for the de Haan trade destroying Carolina's reputation with UFAs.

If McGinn is dealt in the next week, I'll be more concerned with the effect on team grit than the PK. Haula and Dzingel make this a speed-based team again. I felt that there was a concerted effort to become heavier last Summer. That type of roster construction was important against Washington in the postseason. To be fair, the physical play was detrimental at times against Boston. I thought that the Bruins generally outskated the Canes in that series; I wonder how much that has effected their decision making this Summer.

Perhaps a healthy dose of Saku M (I’ve given up on trying to spell his last name), Martinook and year 2 Svechnikov can help out in the physicality dept.

You bring up something I’ve been thinking about in regards to McGinn...I really could see them dealing him in the next week or so if the opportunity presented itself.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

That's an interesting thought. Trading CDH did open up some room for us to make a play in free agency which did end up landing us Dzingel. I wonder how many people would still be upset with the move now knowing it brought us both Haula and Dzingel in the end?

The biggest reason why everybody hated the CDH trade at the time was because of our team's past cheapskate history, which made everyone go "NOT AGAIN!" The fact that they are spending this kind of money to improve the team says otherwise.

 

[DougieSmash]

But they made a mistake choosing Brindy over Vellucci!111

 

[A Star is Burns]

I think we'll be fine in the grit department even if we move Brock. If not, that should be easy enough to add before a playoff run.

 

[zman77]

 

[bleedgreen]

I like it for the contract, I think it's up in the air how effective he really is. Our woeful lack of offensive depth was exposed in the playoffs - our offense on paper looked like half an AHL team all season. Adding Haula and Dzingel makes us even more quicker and deep - and will hopefully give us the more balanced attack we need so we don't look to Aho for everything.

I was afraid we were done which would've made this a mediocre off season to me. So good there. Talent IS more important than handedness but I really hope Willimas is coming back now because it's a little overwhelming the amount of lefties we have. We'll need Necas to make it and maybe a Geekie to force the fourth line as well.

As for the toughness issue BDK just mentioned. I'm a little concerned. We were the softest team in the league for years before last season. Last season we merely became a little more likely to shove back and had Ferland to crush your soul if he was out there. Losing Ferland and Dehaan (he was more gritty than tough but it helped) and replacing them with two non factors in that arena brings us back to what we were before potentially and that's a bad idea for tough division games and the playoffs. I think while we maybe got carried away in the playoffs last year, that we likely would've learned from that experience as we went. Boston could play any style you could, by the time we got there it's all we had left in the bag. We couldn't defend them and we couldn't out score them so we tried to hit them. They know how to handle that too.

 

[zman77]

 

[zman77]

 

[A Star is Burns]

I get that losing the toughness from de Haan, Ferland, and McGinn (if it happens) would not be great for our physicality. But a full season of Staal (one hopes) and Nino (was on a pretty good pace for hits at the very least) could help offset that a bit. Svech might move it up a notch as well. And like I mentioned, acquiring toughness shouldn't be that difficult if needed.

 

[DougieSmash]

I don't think this team is 'soft'. We lack heavy hitters for sure but I wouldn't call Williams/McGinn/Staal/Niederreiter/Svech/Foegele/Martinook/Haula soft players. I don't know much about Dzingel physical game but he goes into dirty areas pretty often.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

As for the toughness issue BDK just mentioned. I'm a little concerned. We were the softest team in the league for years before last season. Last season we merely became a little more likely to shove back and had Ferland to crush your soul if he was out there. Losing Ferland and Dehaan (he was more gritty than tough but it helped) and replacing them with two non factors in that arena brings us back to what we were before potentially and that's a bad idea for tough division games and the playoffs. I think while we maybe got carried away in the playoffs last year, that we likely would've learned from that experience as we went. Boston could play any style you could, by the time we got there it's all we had left in the bag. We couldn't defend them and we couldn't out score them so we tried to hit them. They know how to handle that too.

I don't think softness was an issue with the past Canes teams. It was shitty goaltending. The new management has done a lot to fix that side with Mrazek and actually getting something useful out of Darling's contract.

 

[DougieSmash]

Nothing about Reimer though. He's not perfect but I think he's capable of playing 35 games. Used to be useful in the past.

 

[bleedgreen]

I don't think softness was an issue with the past Canes teams. It was ****ty goaltending. The new management has done a lot to fix that side with Mrazek.

I agree and disagree I guess.

You touch on the one thing thing I think has been under rated so far. How big it was to just have steady goaltending. I think it went in all directions. Bought us time in games to figure things out, bought us time half the season to learn how to score. We didnt really have any games to me that you would point to as a game we wouldve won with better goalies. That's huge. We absolutely got a huge confidence boost from that.

I dont know if I could tie that to our team toughness in a physical sense. In the mental sense, for sure. My previous post was talking about the physical sense.