Rumor: Carolina Hurricanes offered 1 million USD to Spartak Moscow/KHL for D Nikishin

[CanadienShark]

If that happened, I wonder if they would have been in hot water with governments for evading sanctions.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Honestly, teams should be allowed to buy their drafted players out of Euro teams.

Would be mutually beneficial.

You can. Though KHL teams will often decline.

The player can choose the buyout his own contract but would have to reimburse roughly 75% (off the top of my head) of the amount of the contract.

 

[stl76]

If that happened, I wonder if they would have been in hot water with governments for evading sanctions.

This has been addressed about a dozen times in this thread already, including multiple times on this page alone

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

If that happened, I wonder if they would have been in hot water with governments for evading sanctions.

So you didn’t read the thread title, the OP or the thread, huh?

This happened when he played for Spartak so it likely was before the war had even started.

 

[krutovsdonut]

not sure if already posted but unless there is a rule or agreement prohibiting it, ad hoc transfer fees are allowed.

in the late 1980s and early 1990s various nhl teams paid transfer fees to the soviet ice federation to get individual players they had released to come to north america. there was no nhl agreement in effect and so it was done with individual contracts with the soviets. the canucks paid $300k or so each for larionov and krutov. they later let igor larianov walk to free agency after his first nhl contract because they didn't want to pay a trailer fee in their contract to soviet ice hockey which kicked in if he extended. he then became a free agent to everyone in the league except the canucks.

something similar but even more chaotic occurred to get players out of other soviet bloc states like czeckoslavakia.

 

[vorky]

not sure if already posted but unless there is a rule or agreement prohibiting it, ad hoc transfer fees are allowed.

in the late 1980s and early 1990s various nhl teams paid transfer fees to the soviet ice federation to get individual players they had released to come to north america. there was no nhl agreement in effect and so it was done with individual contracts with the soviets. the canucks paid $300k or so each for larionov and krutov. they later let igor larianov walk to free agency after his first nhl contract because they didn't want to pay a trailer fee in their contract to soviet ice hockey which kicked in if he extended. he then became a free agent to everyone in the league except the canucks.

something similar but even more chaotic occurred to get players out of other soviet bloc states like czeckoslavakia.

If I understand it, it was a direct payment to Russian clubs, not Russian hockey federation. Per Kuperman, Ottawa paid $700k to Dynamo Moscow for Alexei Yashin in 1992-93.

 

[krutovsdonut]

If I understand it, it was a direct payment to Russian clubs, not Russian hockey federation. Per Kuperman, Ottawa paid $700k to Dynamo Moscow for Alexei Yashin in 1992-93.

that was later, originally with the first russians it was payments to the soviet ice federation. i believe the club may have gotten some of that money in theory. i am also oversimplifying the story as larionov also opposed the payment because he knew where it would really go.

 

[vorky]

that was later, originally with the first russians it was payments to the soviet ice federation. i believe the club may have gotten some of that money in theory. i am also oversimplifying the story as larionov also opposed the payment because he knew where it would really go.

OK, thanks.

 

[mouser]

Honestly, teams should be allowed to buy their drafted players out of Euro teams.

Would be mutually beneficial.

NHL teams can—so long as the player is with a league/federation which has a transfer agreement with the NHL.

 

[goonybird]

If that happened, I wonder if they would have been in hot water with governments for evading sanctions.

I think they can receive USD but whether they can do anything with that money is another question

 

[CanadienShark]

I think they can receive USD but whether they can do anything with that money is another question

I wonder how it would have been sent if not through the SWIFT system though. Seems like a shady method would have been used.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I wonder how it would have been sent if not through the SWIFT system though. Seems like a shady method would have been used.

This was very likely before the war as it was when Nikishin was with Spartak so this is all just needless speculation.

 

[CanadienShark]

This was very likely before the war as it was when Nikishin was with Spartak so this is all just needless speculation.

I'm not knocking the Canes. I like the fact that they're willing to push the envelope. I'm just wondering.

 

[kp61c]

I wonder how it would have been sent if not through the SWIFT system though. Seems like a shady method would have been used.

Not all banks are under sanctions. There are a couple that can still use SWIFT. But it's a matter of time, of course, give it a couple of years, and they will be put under sanctions.

 

[vorky]

Not all banks are under sanctions. There are a couple that can still use SWIFT. But it's a matter of time, of course, give it a couple of years, and they will be put under sanctions.

or the dollar system, as we know it, will collapse. Everything is going this way.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

Probably (albeit not definitely) before the war started, but if it was after, this would have been shut down pretty fast. Spartak is owned by PJSC Lukoil Oil Company, who have been subject to sanctions. They've had at least one high-profile action against them.

 

[Jay26]

Pretty sure NHL teams aren't allowed to buy out contracts of Russian players, no ?

Why not? At the end of the day the ball is in the KHL team's court. They can say yes or they can say no.

Seems weird to me that an NHL team would be allowed to send a million dollars to a KHL team so a player didn't have to spend their own money. Is this common practice? I'd think this should not be allowed.

I would assume the player has a say.

 

[vorky]

Probably (albeit not definitely) before the war started, but if it was after, this would have been shut down pretty fast. Spartak is owned by PJSC Lukoil Oil Company, who have been subject to sanctions. They've had at least one high-profile action against them.

I would like to know what is your source regarding the ownership of HC Spartak Moscow.

...because what you say about Lukoil is false. You mix it with football (soccer) Spartak. They are two different legal entities with different ownership.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

I would like to know what is your source regarding the ownership of HC Spartak Moscow.

...because what you say about Lukoil is false. You mix it with football (soccer) Spartak. They are two different legal entities with different ownership.

I stand corrected. Thank you!

 

[Garl]

I stand corrected. Thank you!

If Lukoil owned Spartak, they would have been up there with SKA/CSKA in standings.

 

[CanadienShark]

Not all banks are under sanctions. There are a couple that can still use SWIFT. But it's a matter of time, of course, give it a couple of years, and they will be put under sanctions.

Ah interesting, I wasn't aware. I knew there was some odd loophole with regards to gas companies early on, but thought that was a specific exception.

or the dollar system, as we know it, will collapse. Everything is going this way.

What dollar system? You mean the USD being the main currency of the world? That wouldn't be collapse. That would be a change of preference. Depending on where I go, I carry USD/EURO/GBP as a small cash reserve despite none of the above being my local currency (also a dollar). I do so because it's a lot more likely that someone will accept it if I'm in a bind and I'll get a better exchange than my relatively useless CAD.

 

[kp61c]

Ah interesting, I wasn't aware. I knew there was some odd loophole with regards to gas companies early on, but thought that was a specific exception.

they still trade with Russia. For example, Belgium cries bloody tears but refuses to ban the import of diamonds. How will they buy them without swift?

 

[CanadienShark]

they still trade with Russia. For example, Belgium cries bloody tears but refuses to ban imports of diamonds. How will they buy them without swift?

I wasn't aware. Of course many countries virtue signal one thing, then their actions speak otherwise. Of all things I follow, Belgium and diamond trades aren't particularly high on my list.