Rumor: Carolina Hurricanes offered 1 million USD to Spartak Moscow/KHL for D Nikishin

[Kshahdoo]

If that ever happened, it was likely before this whole situation

It's still against the NHL rules which mean some grey schemes must be involved. Too much risk for Caroline.

In rubles?

1 billion rubles is still about $14M. Nothing laughable, I'd say.

 

[ONO94]

Tell me again how it would be player compensation? if the Canes sign Patrick Puisltola from Finland and bring him over, they will have to pay his Finnish team $300k--which is not player compensation. The Canes, if the rumor is to be believed, offered Spartak $1 million directly to void Nikishin's contract. That money does not go to the player--he can't use it or spend or live it. Again, specifically not compensation to the player. Now part of the problem with the rumored deal could be Russian law would have required the money go to Nikishin directly and that could cause issues, but the rumor is the Canes contacting Spartak. Not the Canes contacting Nikishin to contact Spartak.

 

[vorky]

Tell me again how it would be player compensation? if the Canes sign Patrick Puisltola from Finland and bring him over, they will have to pay his Finnish team $300k--which is not player compensation. The Canes, if the rumor is to be believed, offered Spartak $1 million directly to void Nikishin's contract. That money does not go to the player--he can't use it or spend or live it. Again, specifically not compensation to the player. Now part of the problem with the rumored deal could be Russian law would have required the money go to Nikishin directly and that could cause issues, but the rumor is the Canes contacting Spartak. Not the Canes contacting Nikishin to contact Spartak.

I do not know what is your source regarding the bold part. But, as I know, there is no such law/rule. It is completely fine if NHL & KHL club negotiate about transfer fee & that fee is directly paid to KHL club.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

If Nikishin came over tomorrow, would he have to clear waivers?

 

[RandV]

Wow haven't seen this topic come up in ages. It was a big point of contention in the 2000's when the KHL was peaking and guys like Ovechkin and Malkin were up for 'transfer'. The NHL's position has always been to negotiate a flat rate with European leagues, while Russia/KHL wanted European style football transfers where you're paying for the value/quality of the player.

With the KHL being the only hold out on an actual transfer agreement with the NHL, the two leagues eventually just agreed to honour existing contracts and not poach signed players. So the point here is NHL teams back then were certainly not allowed to negotiate their own payment with a KHL club, and I don't see any reason why that would have changed, it's not like this is something they would just forget about 10-15 years later. So the rumour sound bogus to me.

 

[peconcan]

If this is allowed why wouldn’t who ever drafts Michkov just do the same?

 

[spockBokk]

If Nikishin came over tomorrow, would he have to clear waivers?

Why would he have to clear waivers? Do other Euro players who are drafted have to clear waivers when they sign their ELC?

Give that had a shake.

 

[CheMxDawG]

If this is allowed why wouldn’t who ever drafts Michkov just do the same?

Because his KHL club could refuse to make the deal. He's also on the same club as Nikishin.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

IIRC The rules are that the player must buy out his contract paying 2/3 of the value of it. It's all written in the KHL rulebook. So the money should be given to the player and then he buys out the contract himself.

 

[mouser]

Reading about Lehterä - Sibir - St.Louis in 2014. Over $1 million went to Sibir.

Lehtera was old enough that he didn’t have to sign a ELC. And the Blues did give him a $1.6m signing bonus. So yes Lehtera could have used that signing bonus money to pay $1m to Sibir to buyout his contract.

 

[mouser]

Tell me again how it would be player compensation? if the Canes sign Patrick Puisltola from Finland and bring him over, they will have to pay his Finnish team $300k--which is not player compensation. The Canes, if the rumor is to be believed, offered Spartak $1 million directly to void Nikishin's contract. That money does not go to the player--he can't use it or spend or live it. Again, specifically not compensation to the player. Now part of the problem with the rumored deal could be Russian law would have required the money go to Nikishin directly and that could cause issues, but the rumor is the Canes contacting Spartak. Not the Canes contacting Nikishin to contact Spartak.

Has nothing to do with player compensation. The NHL only allows their teams to pay compensation to clubs in other leagues for player rights/transfers/buyouts if there is a NHL Transfer Agreement in place with that league/federation. The amount of compensation is defined in the Transfer Agreement and not negotiable per player.

There is no Transfer Agreement between the NHL and Russian hockey federation (KHL). Hence the NHL forbids any of their teams from offering any compensation to KHL clubs to secure player transfers. If Carolina or any NHL team made the rumored offer of $1m to a KHL club the NHL would severely punish that NHL team.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Why would he have to clear waivers? Do other Euro players who are drafted have to clear waivers when they sign their ELC?

Give that had a shake.

They’re just asking a question. Ufa’s who start the season in Europe and sign after the cutoff have to clear waivers. They’re probably just thinking about that.

 

[Lempo]

Why would he have to clear waivers? Do other Euro players who are drafted have to clear waivers when they sign their ELC?

Give that had a shake.

He's thinking about this clause in the CBA:

13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs) only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim. This section shall not apply to a Player on the Reserve List or Restricted Free Agent List of an NHL Club with whom the Player is signing an NHL SPC or is party to an existing SPC with such NHL Club.

It wouldn't apply to Nikishin as he is on Canes' reserve list. But there have been some prominent cases where someone tried bringing a foreign player over and was then surprised to lose them on waivers.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Uh... how the hell would they pay them. Given the political climate, I don't think they could send that much money to Russia with all the sanctions, especially considering these teams have ties to Russian oligarchs.

Yeah, I was gonna say- doesn't this violate some kind of draconian economic sanctions or something? The ass pain I have to go through just to sell to American companies to make sure they have no ties to Russia is ridiculous.

 

[CraigBillington]

That is not how Russian players’ rights work. Without a transfer agreement, teams have the rights to sign a Russian draftee indefinitely. Even if the player finishes their ELC and goes back to Russia, the team just needs to offer a qualifying offer to maintain their rights.

Nikita Tryamkin is set to be a UFA this summer. Unless there's a twist somewhere, wouldn't an NHL team hold their rights until UFA age?

 

[lucky0slevin]

Why do this now though? So they can offer him + 1st 2023 for meier? Sharks can rid themselves of karlsson to Edmonton? Could be interesting

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Rumor: Spartak to announce new GM, Ed Belfour

11/10 would watch

 

[Sigurd]

Why do this now though? So they can offer him for meier + 1st and sharks can rid themselves of karlsson to Edmonton? Could be interesting

As has been said before, IF this actually happened (it's been disputed by a person in the Russian hockey world), it happened before Russia invaded Ukraine. There's no way it would've happened after.

 

[lilidk]

Didn't know who he was till now , but man does Hurricanes good at drafting

 

[vorky]

IIRC The rules are that the player must buy out his contract paying 2/3 of the value of it. It's all written in the KHL rulebook. So the money should be given to the player and then he buys out the contract himself.

That is one scenario.

The second scenario is what I wrote. There is no such a rule in KHL/Russia saying two clubs (NHL & KHL) can not agree on a transfer fee for any player.

 

[lionsDen]

Isn’t that breaking the sanctions placed on Russia. Not political somewhat relevent

 

[VanJack]

Pretty sure NHL teams aren't allowed to buy out contracts of Russian players, no ?

You'd be right.....only individual players can 'buy their way out' of their KHL contracts. Of course where the individual player would get the money to actually initiate a buy-out is somewhat murky.

And with the situation between Russia and West close to an all-time low, it makes you wonder if some KHL players will somehow 'miraculously' come up with the money to buy their way out of their KHL deals.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

If Nikishin came over tomorrow, would he have to clear waivers?

I wouldn't think so. He is on the Canes' reserve list.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Isn’t that breaking the sanctions placed on Russia. Not political somewhat relevent

This happened when he played for Spartak so it was probably before the war even started.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Honestly, teams should be allowed to buy their drafted players out of Euro teams.

Would be mutually beneficial.